Not necessary, but go ahead and do it if you want to. What kind of over clock are you pushing?
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Not necessary, but go ahead and do it if you want to. What kind of over clock are you pushing?
So for a while now I've had an issue with my GTX580 where after an alt tab I get a permanent fps drop in everything until a reboot. Like, a major one - I noticed it first in FF14 and I went from 80+ to sub-20. It was extremely rare though since I alt tab in that game nonstop and have only ever seen it maybe 3-4 times. I saw it for the first time in another game last night, happened when I was trying to run Planetside 2 for the first time in a year and a half.
I've done some research and it sounds like the card might be getting stuck in 2D clocks? Is there a driver I should try that won't be horribly unstable on a 580, because the last time I updated from 314.22 it wasn't pretty.
I've had the hyper 212 plus since 2011 and I say hell yes. It's not like 120mm fans are expensive, I've had two cheap yate loons on there since I put it together. I've had my 2500k at 4.5ghz for its entire life and I get great temps.
Just be sure you're not gonna be blocking anything important with the extra fan, like if you have ridiculous huge ram heatsinks in the closer slots to your cpu.
I've done some research and it sounds like the card might be getting stuck in 2D clocks? Is there a driver I should try that won't be horribly unstable on a 580, because the last time I updated from 314.22 it wasn't pretty.
I've had the hyper 212 plus since 2011 and I say hell yes. It's not like 120mm fans are expensive, I've had two cheap yate loons on there since I put it together. I've had my 2500k at 4.5ghz for its entire life and I get great temps.
Just be sure you're not gonna be blocking anything important with the extra fan, like if you have ridiculous huge ram heatsinks in the closer slots to your cpu.
Whats it get up to under load? Run Prime95 for 10 minutes and see what it gets up to. Also, is it overclocked and have you tweaked the voltage at all? A lot of BIOS's seem to run them at too high a voltage by default so you may be able to lower that anyway.
BMX Bandit
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Any new small/htpc-ish type cases that don't need low profile cards on the horizon?
Fuck. So the site I buy all my hardware on has decided to stop assembling computers. They only have pre-built ones but I like picking my own stuff and getting the best for my money. So...it looks like I have to build it which I've never done before. Oh god, I'm worried I'll end up breaking something or screwing it up and wreck a $300 motherboard. Any tips for someone who's a completely newbie at building a PC? I mean 100% new...I don't think I've ever even installed windows before. :|
Its super, super easy, don't even worry! The hardest part (IMO) is installing the CPU heatsink/fan, and those always come with detailed instructions, so just follow that closely and the rest is super easy.
I'm not entirely sure myself actually, I'm totally new to the PC world and I need to look up about overclocking and what-not, so whatever was default to the setup is what I'm running under now. I'll be sure to check it out some more.
I haven't tweaked any voltages. I'll try to give the program a run and look into it, thanks.
Goldenmoney
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Lot of guides in this post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=115918742&postcount=2
All I did was follow along with the first youtube tutorial in that post. I think figuring out what parts you need is harder than putting it together.
Watch some videos.
I was a complete beginner as well, but a couple vids is all you really need to know.
I'd suggest watching this one. Its quite long and the guy is a bit corny, but he explains absolutely every little detail and step, almost to a fault. There is honestly very little else to cover after watching this, while other vids may still leave you with a few questions.
That's good to know. I heard you can bend motherboard pins really easily, is that true? Also how long would it normally take? Is it like a half day effort putting all the parts in or a couple hours? Thanks for the links too.
I'd say the most time consuming thing is cable management, if you wanna do it properly. Even that won't take very long, unless you're crazy neat or have a very tiny case to work with.
This is true. It can be time consuming, but it really just takes as long or little time as you want it to lol. Also depends on your case (its easier with bigger ones) and power supply (go modular, you'll thank us later).
Goldenmoney
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I've only built a pc once and I'm sure it varies person to person, but for me it took a few hours just because I was very particulate and careful about what I was doing. No need to rush yourself, double and triple check that you're doing everything right the first time.
I told myself for a long time that I was completely kidding myself when I kept saying "I'm going to build a PC instead of buying a pre-built one", and I'm still a complete amateur. I did a lot, and I mean a lot of back and forths before the big day finally came for me to start. But I can safely say that for me the most daunting part was working up the courage to start building, and after that to actually hit the power button once you're done.
Some tasks can be really frustrating and you better prepare to spend a good 4-8 hours depending on how you perform during your first time, but as long as you've got everything you need it's fun, productive and fairly simple. It's also very enriching and rewarding. The TechReport tutorial in the OP is what I used as a guide and it's pretty comprehensive, and also tells you of the moments when you have to be wary.
All in all, I'm convinced if I can do it then you can definitely do it too. Believe in yourself!
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I just built my first PC about a week and a half ago. Took me about 3 - 3.5 hours from start to installing windows. I was very careful and thorough though. I could probably cut off an hour and a half now that I've done it once.
Inferno313
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Hey Gaf,
Where can I get an ISO of Windows 8.1 64-Bit Pro?
I'm putting my build together soon, and bought Windows 8.1 from my school's online software store. So I have a key, but the download they gave me was a .exe to upgrade. I would need a .iso to perform a clean installation right? How can I get one? I can't use this .exe because my only computer right now is a mac.
Where can I get an ISO of Windows 8.1 64-Bit Pro?
I'm putting my build together soon, and bought Windows 8.1 from my school's online software store. So I have a key, but the download they gave me was a .exe to upgrade. I would need a .iso to perform a clean installation right? How can I get one? I can't use this .exe because my only computer right now is a mac.
If you go to the official MS page here it will give you an exe. If you run that though, one of the options should be to create media, then you can create an install DVD or USB off of that.
EDIT: That might just be for the upgrade, I could be wrong on that.
Thanks everyone. I might just try and build it myself, if anything bad or confusing happens I can always ask here or worse comes I'll take it somewhere and ask them to do it.
One thing, when connecting stuff to the motherboard do you put everything on them put it in the case or put it in the case then attach it all?
One thing, when connecting stuff to the motherboard do you put everything on them put it in the case or put it in the case then attach it all?
Inferno313
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Ok, thanks! So I just need to load this up on a friend's PC? Thanks!
I found a way to do a fresh install using upgrade, so that's not the problem. I just needed to obtain a install DVD or USB. Thanks!
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Yeah, it's on tiger directs website. There's a coupon on the item's page that brings it just under $200.
I'll update with a link in a bit.
No, I had no idea such a thing would be necessary when I'm just buying parts off the shelf and assembling them. I thought you only needed to mess with that stuff if you overclocked. Where should I look in the BIOS? And how far should I be looking to reduce voltage?
edit: For example, I just booted the PC and I haven't done anything but run Chrome and HWInfo. The 4 cores are showing 1.397, 1.396, 1.397 and 1.401 as voltages.
edit2: I also just realized the clocks are running at 4.4 GHz rather than 4.1 GHz. WTF? Is it possible the motherboard shipped with some overclock-by-default setting?
There's lots of good youtube guides. I think Hardware Canucks has one and they've got some pretty decent video content. Typically you would install the CPU + CPU heatsink + RAM into the motherboard before putting it into the case.
Since this is Australia, I would check the motherboard at the place of purchase for damage. Specifically, you want to see if the motherboard's CPU socket has bent pins. If there are bent pins, places like CPL/MSY/PCDIY will try and charge you for a "repair" fee. And no, they're not going to waver it because you can't prove that it isn't user inflicted.
Its 4.0 stock but 4.4 boost, so it should be showing 4.4GHz. Those voltages are WAY WAY WAY too high though. You should be ok with like 1.1V, 1.25V max.
ramoisdead
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Okay so I uninstalled my GPU drivers (R9 200 series) and reinstalled them again. Now I can't get my monitor to display in full 1080p, not for the desktop and for any games. I checked under screen resolution and 1920x1080p is chosen. I keep looking for the answers online but to no avail. Would like some help from BuildaPC-GAF. =[
Is there a simple/obvious "Use less voltage" setting? I've never messed with this stuff and never intended to.
Some boards do auto overclock, so double check. You should only be running 4.4Ghz when a single core is loaded. 4Ghz when all cores are loaded. So easiest way to check is load all 4 cores with something like cinebench. Once you know there is an issue go through the bios to correct it to meet intel spec.
Try CPUz for Vcore to double check. It should not be around 1.40v thats for sure. Should be closer to 1.2v.
On my Asus X79 board, it automatically uses the Enhanced setting, setting that to Normal brings it back to Intel spec.
Z97 boards were released before the 4790K CPU was and no one knew for sure that was a 4.0 GHZ base clock, so many motherboards require a BIOS update to properly handle the chip without overheating.
Good chance this was the issue. I updated BIOS and now all voltages are 1.2 or a little less. If that fixes my heat issue, I'll be thrilled.
edit: Temps are around 25-30 degrees less than they were. Still spikes close to 80C at times, but 90% of the time it's at 70C. What a relief.
That should be fine, assuming its 1.2 under load and not at rest.
paperspace
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Do you have a 8.0 key or a 8.1 key?
They're somewhat different; the 8.1 .iso downloader won't accept 8.0 keys and vice versa. You can easily solve this by downloading the other downloader (i.e. download 8.0 downloader first, if you want a 8.1 iso) and put in your serial code. When it starts downloading, exit and download the 8.1 downloader, start it up, and it will start downloading the 8.1 .iso.
Doesn't really seem to change. It's ~1.2 when sitting staring at my desktop or while playing Far Cry Blood Dragon. Temps go up about 20 C while playing the game.
Got to be one of the dumbest things MS have done in a long time.
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I have an upgrade question. I built my PC around 4-5 years ago the current specs are:
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D
RAM: 6 GB
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 460
CPU: Intel Core i5 650 3.20GHz
Now my question is, should I just upgrade the RAM, graphics card and CPU to what my current motherboard can handle? or should I just build a whole new PC altogether with all the latest tech?
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D
RAM: 6 GB
Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 460
CPU: Intel Core i5 650 3.20GHz
Now my question is, should I just upgrade the RAM, graphics card and CPU to what my current motherboard can handle? or should I just build a whole new PC altogether with all the latest tech?
If you have the budget, a new PC is the way to go. If you just want a smaller boost, you can spend ~$250 on a new GPU and be fine for another 2 years as long as you don't wanna max out the settings or anything.
Inferno313
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I have an 8.1 Key. But thanks!
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I am on a budget right now. I don't really want to run any games on max settings at the moment. The only PC game I play a lot right now is the Dayz standalone. I just want it to run more smoother and consistent.
I'd just get a new GPU then. Do you have a budget in mind for one?
Does anyone mind looking over this build and seeing if there is anything I should change/update? I'm building a budget PC for my brother in law, we won't be overclocking this at all. I'm looking to stay around $650ish, but I want him to be able to play games at a decent framerate. Thanks for any input!
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($117.00 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($148.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($37.00 @ Amazon)
Monitor: AOC e2050Swd 60Hz 19.5" Monitor ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech Z130 5W 2ch Speakers ($17.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $676.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($117.00 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($148.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($37.00 @ Amazon)
Monitor: AOC e2050Swd 60Hz 19.5" Monitor ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech Z130 5W 2ch Speakers ($17.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $676.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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NVM
mATX Board, so may as well get an mATX case, something like a Silverston TJ08E, Fractal Design Core 1000.
Dont like the PSU as it has 2x12V rails. Get the Corsair CX500, has 38A on a single 12V rail. Although not recommended for a real 500W kind of setup, its fine for your purpose.
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I'd like to keep it under $250. According to the specs of my motherboard the graphics card slot is a PCIe 2.0 x16
I checked out newegg and for graphics cards that use PCIe 2.0 x16 there doesnt seem to be much over $100. If i'm reading this right it looks like this card might be the best one I could get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202113
PCIe 3.0 is backwards compatible and doesn't really make a difference. For $250 I'd go with a GTX 760.
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Oh ok, thank you for the help. I'll get that one.
Thanks for the info!
Get a GTX 760 2Gb or R9 280 3Gb. Your choice.
Thanks for the input!
I'd like to stay with an ATX case so he doesn't have to change his case in the future if he plans to upgrade to an ATX motherboard. Plus that Silverstone case is more than double the NZXT case I'm currently looking at.
Thanks for the power supply input, it's a little more expensive. What is the drawback of 2x12v rails?
Just finished paying $1700 for my new PC at microcenter including a 2 year warranty on everything.
NZXT Black and Red H440
Asus Maximus VII Hero
i7 4790k
CM V8 GTS CPU cooler
Crucial 16 GB 1866
2 TB 7200RPM WD Black
500GB Samsung Evo 840
EVGA 750W Gold
Windows 8.1 Pro
Now to wait for the 800 series GPUs...I'll try to put that on myself instead of paying $100 to Microcenter.
Thank you guys for all your input!
NZXT Black and Red H440
Asus Maximus VII Hero
i7 4790k
CM V8 GTS CPU cooler
Crucial 16 GB 1866
2 TB 7200RPM WD Black
500GB Samsung Evo 840
EVGA 750W Gold
Windows 8.1 Pro
Now to wait for the 800 series GPUs...I'll try to put that on myself instead of paying $100 to Microcenter.
Thank you guys for all your input!
Nostremitus
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Why would he "upgrade" to ATX with a budget PC? The only reason he'd really need it is for SLI purposes. If he's planning on that, buying a new case is the least of his concerns.
I'm talking about years in the future. I don't want to limit him to a mATX motherboard if he decides he wants different. Not to mention, most mATX cases I've looked at are more expensive than the NZXT 210.
Quoting for a new page, as I might pull the trigger on an SSD this weekend.
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