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"I Need a New PC!" 2015 Part 1. Read the OP and RISE ABOVE FORGED PRECISION SCIENCE

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Generally, Marvell controllers sucks. Just connect them all to the Intel ports. Put the 2 raid drives into 6GB slots. All the others to into the 3GB slots.

I'm in a similar situation of wanting to switch around my SATA connections. Question: will Windows or my BIOS have any issues with volumes switching SATA ports between reboots? I've got a startup volume + two additional volumes configured.
 

derder

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I get my bonus in two weeks and am going to pull the trigger then.

1. Are there any sales worth noting?
2. Is there a new CPU coming out soon?
 
I want to build a PC (finally) and truth be told I'm not that informed about wether these components would work good together. My budget is between £1200 and £1500 and the PC should be future proof (3years?) and able to max out games.


Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-4790k (4.0GHz) 8MB Cache

Case
InWIN G7 BRUSHED EFFECT DARK GREY CASE

Motherboard
ASUS® Z97-PRO GAMER: ATX, USB3.0, SATA 6GB/S, SLi, XFIRE

Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 980 Ti - 1 DVI, 1 HDMI, 3 DP
Free Item: FREE BATMAN: ARKHAM KNIGHT with select GTX 9 Series GPUs! -Subject to T&Cs

1st Hard Disk
120GB KINGSTON V300 SSD, SATA 6 Gb (450MB/R, 450MB/W)

2nd Hard Disk
1TB 3.5" SEAGATE SSHD, SATA 6Gb/s 7200 RPM (64MB + 8GB SSD CACHE)

1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM

Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W VS SERIES™ VS-650 POWER SUPPLY

Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)

Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING

Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS 802.11N DUAL-BAND 450Mbps PCI-E CARD (£28)

USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)

Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED ( I bought a Windows 8.1 license on sale)

Windows 10 Upgrade
FREE Upgrade to Windows 10 with all Windows 7 & Windows 8.1 Purchases*

Monitor
IIYAMA X2783HSU-B1 27" AMVA+ LED WIDESCREEN, 1920x1080 (£174)

Keyboard & Mouse
LOGITECH® K120 USB KEYBOARD (£12)

Mouse
LOGITECH® OPTICAL USB MOUSE (£5)

Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)


Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)

Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 8 to 10 working days
Quantity 1

All this quoted from PCSpecialist.co.uk at
£1,260.00 ex VAT

£1,512.00 inc VAT and Delivery.


When I picked the parts the website would not let me continue unless it determined that the components would work together, I'd really like a 2nd (3rd, 4th) opinion on wether I've picked the correct parts.
 

SRG01

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Need a new GPU for my workstation computer and it's a toss up between these two:

Gigabyte AMD Radeon 8GB R9 390 G1 Gaming that I can get for £264
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB G1 Gaming for £276.

Pros of the AMD card is that it has a newer implementation of Windforce fans - it only has two of them (so it's shorter), has two extra LEDs that I like (silent + stop indicators), and has 8GB memory. It is also faster than a stock 970 at 1440p, which is what I will be using.

Pros of the Nvidia card are that it'll overclock really good whilst taking a lot less power, and this means it'll push out less heat. I think acoustics of both cards will be pretty similar, but I can't find a review of the Gigabyte AMD Radeon 8GB R9 390 G1 Gaming anywhere so can't be sure.

EDIT: I'm currently leaning more towards the Nvidia card but would like to support AMD :)

I was choosing a video card for my workstation and had a similar issue. It seems to me that there are two distinct camps: 2d-processing seems to be mostly AMD whereas a lot of 3d-processing is moving towards nVidia. I personally went with nVidia because I do some 3d graphics work with CUDA. However, AMD is certainly the most cost-effective solution if all you're doing is OpenCL work.

Thanks for your advice.

Quick Google regarding choosing GPUs for Photoshop specifically and I found this quite interesting:

This guy is saying (memory) bandwidth is more important so that suits the AMD card as even though it has masses of memory it has also got huge memory bandwidth of 384 GB/s whilst the 970 weighs in at 'only' 224 GB/s.

But the memory on the 970 should be much more overclockable so it's not an easy win for the AMD card.

I'm coming from an nVidia/CUDA 3d perspective here, so I'm not sure how much this pertains to you: nVidia's iRay implementation is VRAM limited, which means anything that cannot fit within VRAM is automatically kicked back to CPU memory -- and thus slow CPU processing. This may also apply to general CUDA tasks as well, but I'm not 100% sure.

Back to Photoshop, I haven't seen any of my projects actually hit the VRAM limit but your projects might?
 

Hazaro

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I want to build a PC (finally) and truth be told I'm not that informed about wether these components would work good together. My budget is between £1200 and £1500 and the PC should be future proof (3years?) and able to max out games.


All this quoted from PCSpecialist.co.uk at
£1,260.00 ex VAT

£1,512.00 inc VAT and Delivery.


When I picked the parts the website would not let me continue unless it determined that the components would work together, I'd really like a 2nd (3rd, 4th) opinion on wether I've picked the correct parts.
Are you comfortable building your own? There are videos in the second post.

Eitherway I'd swap the SSD for a Crucial or a Samsung (not 840 EVO) and the PSU to probably an XFX or Seasonic if they have the option.
1. Ask in two weeks
2. Skylake in a month or so
Yeah but skylake is gonna cost $$$ aaaaaa
 

Hazaro

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He asked for a new CPU.

He didn't ask for a cheap new CPU.

:p
Is there proof that the actual i5 and i7 equivalents are going to cost more than Haswell? I know memory with DDR4 will be more expensive.
I could play this off as DDR4 pricing moving forward (since would you really want DDR3?) but no I'm just stupid. I didn't even have that much to drink last night. It's weird since I remember glazing over articles a few days about this and thinking about the X99 replacement and Skylake.
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Somehow I feel the systems will cost a bit more. If you look at Z97 mobo costs they've come down $10-$30 since launch so that cost difference will be included and no CPU deals or coupons commonly $10 or $20 there also. Toss in DDR4 on top of it and it's a decent chunk more. I'm sure we'll get some DDR3 vs DDR4 testing out soon, hopefully with frame times.
 
I could play this off as DDR4 pricing moving forward (since would you really want DDR3?) but no I'm just stupid. I didn't even have that much to drink last night. It's weird since I remember glazing over articles a few days about this and thinking about the X99 replacement and Skylake.
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Somehow I feel the systems will cost a bit more. If you look at Z97 mobo costs they've come down $10-$30 since launch so that cost difference will be included and no CPU deals or coupons commonly $10 or $20 there also. Toss in DDR4 on top of it and it's a decent chunk more. I'm sure we'll get some DDR3 vs DDR4 testing out soon, hopefully with frame times.

I can see like a $20 difference, but if they go further than that, we are talking enthusiast level prices. Might as well buy Skylake-E at that point.
 

Hazaro

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Should I be worried about my GPU drooping a little bit? I don't remember it being like this 6 months ago. It's not the best picture but you can see that it's at a slight angle now.
Just make sure your screws are on well. Normal. There are a few cases that have a bracer for the GPU and you can buy something to prop it up too.
I can see like a $20 difference, but if they go further than that, we are talking enthusiast level prices. Might as well buy Skylake-E at that point.
The pricing I mentioned is going back to launch pricing ($130 vs $100 for a Z97 for example). But relatively it'll be higher.
 

RGM79

Member
Is it worth investing in a self contained water cooling unit?
My room is carpeted and dust, even in my Define R4, can be annoying to keep out.
My CPU idles around 28-32 degrees and jumps to around 60 degrees but I'd like to get that down if I could and I don't think air is the way to go.

I've been looking at this particular unit since it seems pretty straight forward.
http://www.ncix.com/detail/corsair-cooling-hydro-series-h80i-d8-104790-1283.htm

Just 60 degrees is nothing. They can go up to like 80 degrees and still be fine. What cooler do you currently have?
 
I was choosing a video card for my workstation and had a similar issue. It seems to me that there are two distinct camps: 2d-processing seems to be mostly AMD whereas a lot of 3d-processing is moving towards nVidia. I personally went with nVidia because I do some 3d graphics work with CUDA. However, AMD is certainly the most cost-effective solution if all you're doing is OpenCL work.



I'm coming from an nVidia/CUDA 3d perspective here, so I'm not sure how much this pertains to you: nVidia's iRay implementation is VRAM limited, which means anything that cannot fit within VRAM is automatically kicked back to CPU memory -- and thus slow CPU processing. This may also apply to general CUDA tasks as well, but I'm not 100% sure.

Back to Photoshop, I haven't seen any of my projects actually hit the VRAM limit but your projects might?

Thanks for your insight. I usually only do 2D rendering in Photoshop or Illustrator so CUDA-enhanced tasks might not effect my workload so much. That said, there are tool effects in PS that I do use that may be dependent on GPU CUDA cores. In any case, I suspect that either card will be enough for my specific needs.

From my research and replies here, it seems that NV's CUDA isn't such a big deal for my kind of Photoshop use. If it was, I would probably be better off getting a Quadro or FirePro card anyway.

So the decision comes back to gaming performance I guess, and this is really close too. The question is how an overclocked Gigabyte 390 compares to an overclocked Gigabyte 970.
 

Hazaro

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So the decision comes back to gaming performance I guess, and this is really close too. The question is how an overclocked Gigabyte 390 compares to an overclocked Gigabyte 970.
The appeal of the 390/390X is pretty slim to me. Same as the OP I'd got for a used/new 290, a 970 or a 980Ti and each has their own price bracket so you pick based off budget.
 

Thorgal

Member
Just to confirm something and settle a debate I've been having :

True or not ? :

1) 2 980TI in SLI = 4 x 780 TI in SLI power wise .

2) This setup ( 2 x 980 ti SLI ) is so powerful that CPU' like a 4770k at 4.4GHz or hell, even a 5960k at 4.7GHz are actually bottle necking the GPU's .
 
Hey guys. So I came up with this build using Haz's sheet as a guide.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($166.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $405.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-04 19:05 EDT-0400

I'm buying a copy of Windows from my brother and he's giving me his old monitor and kb+mouse until I pick up a good set of my own.

Would this be okay for what I'm trying to achieve with this build?

It falls right in the middle of my budget of $500-$600. I have a PS4 for all the new games so I'm not looking for a PC to play the newest games at max settings or anything like that but I'm really just looking for a build that'll get me good framerates and okay-to-good looking graphics on older games(Souls games, Diablo 3, etc.)

Thanks. Sorry for being so lost about everything. Any bit of advice is welcomed.
 

Hazaro

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I heard graphics cards are pretty good, add one from the sheets and you are good. The eVGA 500W (non B) is also an okay sub at $25.
 

knitoe

Member
How can I benchmark the marvell ports? Is there a tool you guys recommend?
Hookup the drive to the Marvell port and run the crystal disk test in the OP. Personally for your setup, it's not needed since you are only running raid for HDD. HDDs barely hit the limited on 1.5GB Sata1 (150MB/s). On a 3GB Sata2 (300MB/s), any HDD will be way below the limit and be fine. Now, if you are running raid 0 SSD, that's a different story since they can max out 6GB SATA3 (600MB/s).

I'm in a similar situation of wanting to switch around my SATA connections. Question: will Windows or my BIOS have any issues with volumes switching SATA ports between reboots? I've got a startup volume + two additional volumes configured.
Switching ports won't change how Windows sees your drives. You just have to be careful to point your Bios to load up the drive with the Windows boot loader data as the first priority otherwise you will get a "no OS found" error during startup.
 

NeOak

Member
Just to confirm something and settle a debate I've been having :

True or not ? :

1) 2 980TI in SLI = 4 x 780 TI in SLI power wise .

2) This setup ( 2 x 980 ti SLI ) is so powerful that CPU' like a 4770k at 4.4GHz or hell, even a 5960k at 4.7GHz are actually bottle necking the GPU's .

1) No

2) No.
 

komplanen

Member
Just to confirm something and settle a debate I've been having :

True or not ? :

1) 2 980TI in SLI = 4 x 780 TI in SLI power wise .

2) This setup ( 2 x 980 ti SLI ) is so powerful that CPU' like a 4770k at 4.4GHz or hell, even a 5960k at 4.7GHz are actually bottle necking the GPU's .

LOL at the shit people say :) No and No as said above.
 
Let's try this again. You know, with all the essential parts this time.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($166.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $530.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-04 20:35 EDT-0400

So this is what I'm aiming for and I'm just trying to get a read on whether I can get what I'm looking for from this build.

I have a PS4 for all the new games so I'm not looking for a PC to play the newest games at max settings or anything like that but I'm really just looking for a build that'll get me good framerates and okay-to-good looking graphics on older games(Souls games, Diablo 3, etc.)

Thanks.
 
Hi guys, how you can give me some advice. I want to buy my first gaming PC but i really want it to be future proof, also for VR gaming. Do you think this is a good moment to buy or should i wait a bit more?
 
Hi guys, how you can give me some advice. I want to buy my first gaming PC but i really want it to be future proof, also for VR gaming. Do you think this is a good moment to buy or should i wait a bit more?

Next huge leap in graphics is supposed to be Pascal and that comes out next year some time.
 
Hi guys, how you can give me some advice. I want to buy my first gaming PC but i really want it to be future proof, also for VR gaming. Do you think this is a good moment to buy or should i wait a bit more?

Wait for Skylake. It's like a month or two away. Some will tell you to jump on now, but you'll have to decide for yourself if you can live with that decision if in a month, Skylake is more than 10% performance improvement over Haswelll.
 

Hazaro

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Let's try this again. You know, with all the essential parts this time.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($166.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $530.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-04 20:35 EDT-0400

So this is what I'm aiming for and I'm just trying to get a read on whether I can get what I'm looking for from this build.



Thanks.
I did say GPUs in the OP. Both the 750Ti and 760 aren't very value competitive vs the 265 and the 280. If you can fit a 280 you are super golden. That's a ridiculous amount of computer for $600...
Hi guys, how you can give me some advice. I want to buy my first gaming PC but i really want it to be future proof, also for VR gaming. Do you think this is a good moment to buy or should i wait a bit more?
New chips and mobos in 1-2 months with DDR4 will be a better bet if you don't want to wait another year (or more barring delays). Air Fury or 980Ti or two should be a good start.

FWIW I'm extremely excited about VR stuff, but now isn't the right time to throw a lot of money at it unless you have games you want to play now. It's not a bad time to grab a new PC though if you wait for the new chips.
 
FWIW I'm extremely excited about VR stuff, but now isn't the right time to throw a lot of money at it unless you have games you want to play now. It's not a bad time to grab a new PC though if you wait for the new chips.
Who said anything about the games? VR porn is what everyone is excited about. I'll play games on my g-sync monitor and watch VR porn on my RIFT and Vive.
 

Hazaro

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Who said anything about the games? VR porn is what everyone is excited about. I'll play games on my g-sync monitor and watch VR porn on my RIFT and Vive.
Someone needs to confirm DSR works with it, I'm not having any jaggies since those devs can't into AA
 
Thanks a lot for the replies! Waiting 1 or 2 months is definitely not a problem, more than a year would be a bit tough but if the jump to PASCAL is really wOrth it i could wait and get a ps4 in the meantime.
 
Thanks a lot for the replies! Waiting 1 or 2 months is definitely not a problem, more than a year would be a bit tough but if the jump to PASCAL is really wOrth it i could wait and get a ps4 in the meantime.

My advice: Wait for Skylake. If you can afford it, get a 980 Ti, then sell your 980 Ti for a loss when Pascal comes out and get Pascal. Done. That's probably as future proof as you can get. Future proof doesn't really exist, at least for gaming.
 
I did say GPUs in the OP. Both the 750Ti and 760 aren't very value competitive vs the 265 and the 280. If you can fit a 280 you are super golden. That's a ridiculous amount of computer for $600...

I'll see if I can make the budget work. If anything, I'll just put it off a few more weeks until next paycheck.

Certain manufacturer I should go with for the GPU? I'm leaning toward this one(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9280atdfd) but I've never heard of XFX. Good reviews on Newegg, tho.
 

Hazaro

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I'll see if I can make the budget work. If anything, I'll just put it off a few more weeks until next paycheck.

Certain manufacturer I should go with for the GPU? I'm leaning toward this one(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9280atdfd) but I've never heard of XFX. Good reviews on Newegg, tho.
XFX has been around a long time, but then moved to AMD cards only and then they had some issues with their 7950 (and 70?) coolers. They are fine and still do the good warranty policy iirc.
 
XFX has been around a long time, but then moved to AMD cards only and then they had some issues with their 7950 (and 70?) coolers. They are fine and still do the good warranty policy iirc.

Good to know, in case I need it.

I think I'm good with this build. Thanks a lot.
 

SRG01

Member
Good to know, in case I need it.

I think I'm good with this build. Thanks a lot.

You'll be pretty happy with the build, I think. The 750Ti still holds up today for a lot of games.

edit: Oh oops, didn't read the part about getting the better GPUs. Those would be good too! :)
 
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