BorntoPlay
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In case you didn't know, now you can overclock any Skylake CPU with Z170 Motherboards... Skylake Non-K Overclocking Guides
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"I Need a New PC!" 2015 Part 2. Read the OP. Rocking 2500K's until HBM2 and beyond.
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In case you didn't know, now you can overclock any Skylake CPU with Z170 Motherboards... Skylake Non-K Overclocking Guides
mullet2000
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Guys, I'm heavily debating getting a 1440p/144hz monitor with my Christmas money. I have a single GTX 970, does it make sense to do so? I've been looking up a lot of different videos/opinions and people seem somewhat torn on the issue.
I want to maintain 60 fps (or higher) like I do now, but I'm fine with lowering settings off of max to do so (but it would be nice to stay on at least high for most things).
Also, for those with 1440p monitors, how does 1080 content look on it to you compared to native 1080p monitors?
I want to maintain 60 fps (or higher) like I do now, but I'm fine with lowering settings off of max to do so (but it would be nice to stay on at least high for most things).
Also, for those with 1440p monitors, how does 1080 content look on it to you compared to native 1080p monitors?
JailDesigner
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So, I followed GAFs advice and ended with this:
I do not know what to do except buy a bigger case
I do not know what to do except buy a bigger case
opticalmace
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What games do you like to play? And what CPU do you have?
Novum_Veritas
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So, I followed GAFs advice and ended with this:
I do not know what to do except buy a bigger case
What case have you bought?
JailDesigner
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Novum_Veritas
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I see, thanks for telling me, I would recommend a non modular PSU.
Full modular giving you more trouble connecting everything.
mullet2000
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Quite a wide variety. I play a lot of indie games (which should be no issue at 1440p) as well as a lot of AAA releases (Witcher 3, Just Cause 3, will be getting XCOM 2 and Rise of the Tomb Raider, etc), and multiplayer shooters. I'm much more concerned about how those AAA games would run for the next year or two in 1440p on the 970.
They're decorative orange LEDs, that are supposed to be on when the computer is on, not error LEDs. Mobo didn't come with a speaker
opticalmace
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I have a 970, 2500k@4.3ghz and a 1440p/144hz monitor. For what I play I am happy with the performance. The most strenuous thing I play is probably Project Cars, otherwise I prefer slightly older games.
If you want to know for sure look up some benchmarks online and see how the 970 does at 1440p in the games you're interested in (but watch out for ones that only show ultra settings). And what CPU do you have?
opticalmace
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So, I followed GAFs advice and ended with this:
I do not know what to do except buy a bigger case
What video card is that? Also, maybe a picture from further out showing the whole inside would be helpful.
My first thought is maybe you could get away with just facing the PSU the other direction....
JailDesigner
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A no modular one will be shorter?
mullet2000
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Thanks! Ah, forgot the CPU last post, my bad! i5 4690.
I've been looking up benchmarks but most are usually for maxed out settings so I'm curious how things run once you're willing to knock things down a bit. It's harder to find info about that!
Novum_Veritas
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Could be a GTX 970 by MSI.
Novum_Veritas
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Yes, they are more compact and less longer.
I learned that while I was working at a PC manufacturer building rigs.
JailDesigner
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That was my first build, but then the PSU fan would be towards the inside of the case, not outside. Would that be a problem?
So, I followed GAFs advice and ended with this:
I do not know what to do except buy a bigger case
It is still doable or maybe not.Try to connect the cables before installing the PSU and try to squeeze it in?...If you put them and pull them in the left side and try to connect everything.It wont be nice or easy but i believe you can do it
Otherwise you can buy something cheap like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
Or any other midi case you might like
JailDesigner
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Yes, is that one. I bought this http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=190600773&highlight=jaildesigner#post190600773
If I try to put the card on the other PCI-e slot it collides with the case to board connectors
Novum_Veritas
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Oh so I was right, was just guessing here.
Yeah small chassis are a PITA, everything is so small there.
You even have to take care which GPU you take, guy in this thread should have watched on the length of the GPU and the length of the GPU which fits into the chassis.
Switching the PSU fan up isn't good either because of the circulation of the air.
Felix Lighter
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I've been setting up my old PC, which is actually pretty damn capable (i7 930 @ 3.9 GHz and HD 7970) for my nephew. I set his mother up as a parent account and he's set up as a child under Windows 10. I configured his account to be locked out of inappropriate websites, content and applications for a 12 year old (he's actually 8 but 12 should be sufficient) Anyone have experience with Windows 10 Parental controls? Should that be good enough? I setup a Steam account for him as well and have it locked down under family view.
opticalmace
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What do you mean by case to board connectors? You can't just remove that 5.25" bay metal bracket thing and run your GPU in the second slot, can you?
JailDesigner
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The card is over the soft reset, power led, hdd led, case usb and audio connectors
Any tips on how I would know if it's the CPU or board that is faulty?
Only if u find a friends mobo and try it...Otherwise 99% is the Motherboard.Did u check if u had bent any socket pins?
My PC is getting a bit behind the times my GPU is newer but my CPU is an i5 3470 and if I upgrade to the newest CPU's I'll have to replace my ram as well (DDR4 standard in 6000 series MOBO's). My GPU also isn't quite VR ready (r9 280). I figured since I would be replacing my CPU, Mobo, RAM, and GPU I might as well just sell it and start an entirely new build.
I'm wanting to build a PC around an R9 Nano. Basically a high performance PC in a miniature form factor.
Budget would be about a $1000 I know that cuts down a bit on my CPU/Ram options but I can always upgrade it after the initial build. I have no issues cheaping out on a case. Fancy LED's, Noise dissipation, and screwless access doesn't mean a lot to me.
You guys have any immediate suggestions?
I'm wanting to build a PC around an R9 Nano. Basically a high performance PC in a miniature form factor.
Budget would be about a $1000 I know that cuts down a bit on my CPU/Ram options but I can always upgrade it after the initial build. I have no issues cheaping out on a case. Fancy LED's, Noise dissipation, and screwless access doesn't mean a lot to me.
You guys have any immediate suggestions?
JailDesigner
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Well, after all this chat I have some ideas. Thanks GAF. Tomorrow I will give it another try.
Novum_Veritas
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What mainboard do you have?
An Z170 one? By which brand?
I know that failure which you've showed in your video, mostly the CPU sockets are bend or there is a RAM problem.
The Skylake mainboards have some issues with RAM.
Felix Lighter
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In my experience, especially now that pins are no longer on the CPU, it is very rare that a CPU is the culprit. It's not impossible but memory, power supply, motherboard are far more likely to be the issue.
Novum_Veritas
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The mainboard has also pins, they can still bend if the CPU isn't applied the right way.
I would guess Mobo or RAM. Maybe there is even a BIOS update necessary.
Gigabyte z170xp-sli
6600k
Crucial Ballistix 2400 DD4
I looked at the cpu, it looks like it is flat and the 'pins' are actually on the motherboard?
I can't update the BIOS, it won't even post
If it's the board, I'll just return it to Amazon and go pick one up at Fry's or something
Yea can you post a photo of the pins on the socket???A close one if you got a good camera
opticalmace
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I rate this case yacht/10.
http://www.pcper.com/news/Cases-and-Cooling/CES-2016-Lian-Li-Puts-Mini-ITX-Yacht-PC-Y6
Novum_Veritas
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That is correct, look on the Mainboard if the pins are bend or "broken".
How much RAM do you have 2 RAM blocks?
If yes take one out, and try starting the PC.
Manp
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So, I followed GAFs advice and ended with this:
I do not know what to do except buy a bigger case
it looks like with a bit of tinkering you can still fit pretty much all you need there. unless the picture is deceiving me.
not familiar with the case but can't you install the PSU with the fan facing the inside of the case? form googling pictures of the case it looks like you can install it both ways, the PSU mounting bracket seems to have both sets of holes.
you'd get more room for the cables with not much issues for the cooling since that PSU is probably way overkill for that system anyway, so it's unlikely it'll run too hot.
edit: i see you probably can't fit the card in. can't really tell from that first picture. not much else to do other than getting a smaller PSU then.
Novum_Veritas
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Installing the PSU with facing up to the inside of the computer is bad for the circulation of proper air. The system will run to hot after a while, like you already noted.
I tried all this last night a few pages back.
I have 4, but I've tried it with 4, 2, 1 and 0 sticks, and it does the same thing
Novum_Veritas
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Ok last try, can you take a shot of the CPU socket?, want to see if the pins are bend or not.
I'll post one in a few, but I looked at the socket last night when I re-seated the CPU and it looked fine
Novum_Veritas
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Alright, thanks, that is pretty odd. btw you checked if the CPU is bend too?
It happens too, I had all of those scenarios.
After you post the pic just send an RMA request to Gigabyte.....The motherboard has to be faulty.I have not heard of faulty cpus for like 99,9% of the time
I also had one broken pin but i could only see it after i took a photo and showed it to some friends so you cant really know 100% for sure
opticalmace
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Have you checked your motherboard manual to see if there are any special diagnostic LEDs that you can refer to on the motherboard?
Manp
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with good air recycle from other fans it would probably make barely any difference.
the fan on the PSU suck air in from the outside to cool the PSU itself. a 750w PSU with those components would probably run so cool anyway that it wouldn't make that much of a difference.
Novum_Veritas
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Yeah the broken pins are sometimes hard to see, because they are so thin, and they are easily breakable too.
@Manp
Well it is a Corsair one, only way to find out would be trying it with the fan upside and to the downside and see if the temperature rises significantly.
so I have an I-5 4690k and a GTX 960
What do I need to upgrade if I wanted to play rise of the tomb raider on a 4k tv?
Any chance it would run on high settings if I just upgraded to a GTX 970?
If I went all the way to a GTX 980 ti, would that be a waste without upgrading the CPU too?
What do I need to upgrade if I wanted to play rise of the tomb raider on a 4k tv?
Any chance it would run on high settings if I just upgraded to a GTX 970?
If I went all the way to a GTX 980 ti, would that be a waste without upgrading the CPU too?
Novum_Veritas
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NVidia Pascal is rumored to be coming out mid 2016.
AMD Polaris also announced to coming out mid 2016.
Manp
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if anything the temperatures inside the case will lower since the PSU will be sucking warm air from the inside and pushing it out. the PSU will probably get a tiny bit hotter since it will use the air from the inside of the case to cool itselft.
seems some people tested it already:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2196981
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/275051-28-bottom-mounted-facing-down-test
yeah, barely any difference.
that said the general rule is mounting the PSU with the fan facing the outside whenever possible.
For 4k a 980 ti is barely acceptable...I believe that a 970 wont be able to maintain 30fps at HIGH or even medium.Whats your PSU?
Im going to go ahead and quote myself since my post got buried on the last page.
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