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"I Need a New PC!" 2015 Part 2. Read the OP. Rocking 2500K's until HBM2 and beyond.

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I really like the idea of having 8gb vram but getting the division for free and lower heat/better efficiency and brand loyalty are winning out on this one.

I'm always confused about processors. I bought the i7-2700k when I built my pc in may 2012 when the i5-2500k was all the rage, but I wanted something that might last a little longer.

Are the i7s that are out there now significantly better than what I have? It overclocks to 4.5ghz without much temp change at all.

I also have 8gb system ram.. Is it worth adding another two 4gb sticks for 16gb?
 

RGM79

Member
I really like the idea of having 8gb vram but getting the division for free and lower heat/better efficiency and brand loyalty are winning out on this one.

I'm always confused about processors. I bought the i7-2700k when I built my pc in may 2012 when the i5-2500k was all the rage, but I wanted something that might last a little longer.

Are the i7s that are out there now significantly better than what I have? It overclocks to 4.5ghz without much temp change at all.

I also have 8gb system ram.. Is it worth adding another two 4gb sticks for 16gb?

As long as your processor is overclocked, it'll be fine. The i7 2700K is still very good, it's still competitive in most games. Anandtech wasn't able to find much of a difference when they compared various generations of i7 processors going from the i7 6700K to the i7 2600K as you can see in these links [1][2], and they were testing them at stock speeds. There might be some games where newer processors can outshine older ones, but it's still not as though the i7 2700K is obsolete and games won't run well on it anyway. 60FPS is definitely capable in most games you come across, assuming no GPU bottleneck.

DDR3 is fairly cheap, another 2x4GB will only run you $30~40. Go for it if you like.
 
The case I purchased states the maximum sized video card that can fit is 12.2 inches and the card I bought is the the Sapphire Radion Nitro R9 390 which measures to 12.1 inches. Do you think this will be a problem? The case I bought comes with 2 fans and I also bought a Coolmaster Hyper 212 to help with heating issues as well.

As someone who has never built a PC before, am I just looking for trouble by cutting videocard/case size so close? Will this is make it more difficult to install?
 
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I'm looking for advice on an audio solution. I'm currently using a Creative XFI XtremeGamer sound card which is still good but it's 10+ years old and Creative told me directly it's not being fully supported any more and as such I'm having some issues with Windows 10 (some popping and mic noise in certain games). Using on board is not an option, while the sound is acceptable the mic quality is 10x worse. I'm looking for something in the £50ish price range, are there other options to a hardware sound card? If not what's a good, modern card being fully supported by the developer? I'm using a Sennheiser PC161 headset.

Bump!
 

RGM79

Member
The case I purchased states the maximum sized video card that can fit is 12.2 inches and the card I bought is the the Sapphire Radion Nitro R9 390 which measures to 12.1 inches. Do you think this will be a problem? The case I bought comes with 2 fans and I also bought a Coolmaster Hyper 212 to help with heating issues as well.

As someone who has never built a PC before, am I just looking for trouble by cutting videocard/case size so close? Will this is make it more difficult to install?

You'll be fine. The Thermaltake website states a maximum of 12.5" so you have a little bit more room to work with. The graphics card is installed by lowering it into the case at an angle at the correct slot, so you will not have to worry about needing more room length-wise to maneuver the card. Besides, it appears that you will also have some room in the empty hard drive bays to work with.


For internal cards in that price range, here are your options. I think the Asus Xonar models and the Creative Soundblaster Z are well-regarded, but I am no expert on sound cards.

There's also the option of a USB sound card, but I have no idea if they'll solve your microphone issues. I have a friend who uses the Sennheiser PC350 with the Asus Xonar U3 USB model, but he never had microphone issues in the first place and isn't too picky about sound quality.
 

Jarmel

Banned
I have a 1600p monitor. So would the 390 be better than the 970 in my case?

I just want something to hold me over until Pascal.
 

bomblord1

Banned
Works for me! That pic is hilarious, but by the time I think I'll be ready to make any upgrades I'll have plenty in the budget to get a new motherboard.

Again I really appreciate your help (and everyone else's of course!). One final question before I pull the trigger-- how's my build looking for the new Doom? Are the system requirements up?

edit: seems like it'll handle it just fine.

AND I just ordered. Finalized:

Case: Fractal Design Node 304
GPU: XFX Double Dissipation R9 390
CPU: Intel i5 6600K 3.5ghz
Memory: Ripjaws 16GB (8GBx2)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Mini-ITX DDR4
PSU: Cooler Master V650 PSU
HDD: WD 1TB
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler

Hehe you went with my GPU suggestion awesome.
 

Manp

Member
Yeah, we had a lot of back and forth about it right down to changing the PSU in favor of that GPU. :)

I guess I need a sound card too. Totally forgot.

you don't really need a sound card. you may want one depending on the kind of speakers or headphone you're going to use tho.

btw i think the 390 is a great choice.
 

thenexus6

Member
I am not sure if this is the correct place to post as I am new to all this stuff but I am looking at building my first ever PC.

Being a Mac user since 2008 I have little knowledge on the components but feel confident that I can build it.

My only real requirements are:
1TB drive
120 SSD
Small case

I have very little room, I have toyed with the idea of getting an Alienware Alpha many times just because its so small and quiet - but the price and inability to upgrade after a certain point turn me off. So the smaller the better (I have concerns about heat, sound and due to small form factor a lack of room / upgrade space with a smaller build though).

In terms of gaming I have a PS4 which I will be buying most of my main games on, I want the PC for steam sales and PC exclusive games.

Stuff like AOE, Shogun Total War, Contagion and others. I would still like it to be fairly capable though. I will be using a 1080p screen.

My budget is upto £450 with Windows.
 

Jameson

Member
I have 2 4GB ram sticks in my pc and I'm looking to bump my pc up to 16GB.

Quick question, is there any downside to buying 1 8GB stick? or should I buy 2 4GB ram sticks?
 

Crisium

Member
I have a 1600p monitor. So would the 390 be better than the 970 in my case?

I just want something to hold me over until Pascal.

390 will be somewhat faster on average, but another option for a cheap stopgap card until Polaris and Pascal is a used 290. It's essentially a lower clocked 390 with only 4GB, so the performance gap is relatively minor. If you can hunt one down cheap enough it may be worth saving the extra money. Next gen rumours are mostly Q3 right now so if you plan to jump on board early there's no need to break the bank.
 
Ok gaf, my computer I bought in 2008 is probably due to be replaced. I'm looking at a $1200 to $1300 budget and it will probably be used primarily for 1080p but I would like the flexibility to go higher in the future. Should I go ahead and build it now or wait until the summer when the hmb2 cards start coming out and current cards will theoretically get cheaper?

The only deadline I'm facing is I want to get it built before WOW: Legion comes out.
 

Aranath

Member
I'd start with running DDU, and uninstalling ASUS GPU Tweak.
Reinstall using a single monitor and use Afterburner to OC

Some settings you can check: PCIE video over onboard, PCIE link at 100.0Mhz
Are you using a recent or thick enough DP cable? Maybe it's too long or there's a loose connection somewhere? Could be worth reseating the card/powerplugs and video cables.

DDU did the trick. I'll just be using Afterburner from now on. I actually prefer it to GPU Tweak.

Thanks a lot!
 

LilJoka

Member
Bought these to replace my 1600mhz 8gb ram.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/39752242

Figured it was time to upgrade speed and size.

CPU? 2400Mhz is a big overclock on the Intel Memory Controller. Hopefully the hammer that XMP profile applies to the IMC voltage will sustain this. But i imagine if your CPU is also overclocked itll be a struggle to get these running without some tweaking. Really 1866Mhz CL10 is the sweet spot for value:performance.
 
CPU? 2400Mhz is a big overclock on the Intel Memory Controller. Hopefully the hammer that XMP profile applies to the IMC voltage will sustain this. But i imagine if your CPU is also overclocked itll be a struggle to get these running without some tweaking. Really 1866Mhz CL10 is the sweet spot for value:performance.

It's an 4770k @ 4.4 ghz

Edit: Forgot to mention that the reviews on Amazon all said it worked fine on the XMP profile on Z97 boards. It had a choice for 2100 or 2400mhz. Hopefully my z87 won't matter. Although I did pay a bit more than what I should've. heh
 

LilJoka

Member
It's an 4770k @ 4.4 ghz

Edit: Forgot to mention that the reviews on Amazon all said it worked fine on the XMP profile on Z97 boards. It had a choice for 2100 or 2400mhz. Hopefully my z87 won't matter. Although I did pay a bit more than what I should've. heh

On haswell you should be ok. Was expecting Ivy/Sandy.
 
Hey guys! I just want to get your opinion with my build, Imma buy these next week or the week after. It's for light-hardcore gaming, light video editing, and music production.

Fractal Designs Define S/NZXT S340 (which ever is available)
i5 4690
MSI H97 Gaming 3
MSI R9-390 Gaming
Corsair Vengeance 4x4gb 16gb CL9 1600
Cruxial BX100 250GB
WD Green 1TB
Seasonic M12II-750 EVO 750W
2 Additional Corsair AF120
 

Jarmel

Banned
390 will be somewhat faster on average, but another option for a cheap stopgap card until Polaris and Pascal is a used 290. It's essentially a lower clocked 390 with only 4GB, so the performance gap is relatively minor. If you can hunt one down cheap enough it may be worth saving the extra money. Next gen rumours are mostly Q3 right now so if you plan to jump on board early there's no need to break the bank.

I currently have 2 670s in SLI, would I notice a significant increase then?
 
I have a quick question guys.

So one of the motherboards that I have, the CPU Fan header has stopped working. I think I may have shorted it out many years ago. So because of that, I've got no choice but to connect the CPU fan into a SYS_FAN header instead. Problem is, it runs at max rpm all the time due to not having auto adjustment regulation. As you can imagine, the noise from the fan is loud and annoying. Is there anything at all I can do to make to have the CPU fan work as it is supposed to?
 

Lister

Banned
I have a quick question guys.

So one of the motherboards that I have, the CPU Fan header has stopped working. I think I may have shorted it out many years ago. So because of that, I've got no choice but to connect the CPU fan into a SYS_FAN header instead. Problem is, it runs at max rpm all the time due to not having auto adjustment regulation. As you can imagine, the noise from the fan is loud and annoying. Is there anything at all I can do to make to have the CPU fan work as it is supposed to?

Your BIOS might have fan speed settings for that header, possibly. Check those.

Otherwise, buying a new CPU Fan + heatsink that stays quite at high speeds, or one of those self contained CPU water coolers would work too.
 

Crisium

Member
I currently have 2 670s in SLI, would I notice a significant increase then?

I suggest looking for benchmarks that still have a GTX 690, as that is 2x GTX 680. Essentially your 670 SLI will be maybe 15% slower - or equal if you have a strong overclock. GameGPU still usually has a 690, and you can compare it to a 290 and 970. They do not have a 390, but generally it performs at just about the 290X level.

http://gamegpu.ru/

I pulled up most of the latest games and patches reviews for you (these are the most up-to-date Fallout 4 benchies I have seen, for example):

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/htt...allout_4_Beta_Patch_1.3-test-fall4_2560_s.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...ssassins_Creed_Syndicate-test-new-ac_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/htt...PU-Action-Rainbow_Six_Siege_-test-r7_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...on-STAR_WARS_Battlefront-test-new-sw_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...PU-Action-Just_Cause_3_-test-new-jc3_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...l_of_Duty_Black_Ops_III-test-new-cod_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht..._V_The_Phantom_Pain-test-new-new-mgs_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...and_Theft_Auto_V_-test-new-new-gta_v_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...-Test_GPU-strategy-XCOM_2-test-XCom2_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...Test_GPU-Action-Mad_Max_-test-new-mm_2560.jpg

Now it is possible that in some of these where the 690 = 680 that SLI was not working and may be now, you'd have to ask others or do some searching. But with the 2GB cap at 2560x1440 / 1600 it's still not gonna scale fabulously in many games.
 
Looking to build my first gaming PC in the coming months. This might be a dumb question, but if I'm not interested in overclocking does it make sense to go with a non-K CPU? I notice the non-K version are slightly cheaper. Are there any other differences I need to be aware of?
 
Your BIOS might have fan speed settings for that header, possibly. Check those.

Otherwise, buying a new CPU Fan + heatsink that stays quite at high speeds, or one of those self contained CPU water coolers would work too.

Those SYSFAN are 3 pin headers which doesn't have any adjustment options and I'd rater not purchase a new CPU fan and heatsink as I already own the Hyper 212 Plus. There must be another way?
 
I suggest looking for benchmarks that still have a GTX 690, as that is 2x GTX 680. Essentially your 670 SLI will be maybe 15% slower - or equal if you have a strong overclock. GameGPU still usually has a 690, and you can compare it to a 290 and 970. They do not have a 390, but generally it performs at just about the 290X level.

http://gamegpu.ru/

I pulled up most of the latest games and patches reviews for you (these are the most up-to-date Fallout 4 benchies I have seen, for example):

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/htt...allout_4_Beta_Patch_1.3-test-fall4_2560_s.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...ssassins_Creed_Syndicate-test-new-ac_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/htt...PU-Action-Rainbow_Six_Siege_-test-r7_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...on-STAR_WARS_Battlefront-test-new-sw_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...PU-Action-Just_Cause_3_-test-new-jc3_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...l_of_Duty_Black_Ops_III-test-new-cod_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht..._V_The_Phantom_Pain-test-new-new-mgs_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...and_Theft_Auto_V_-test-new-new-gta_v_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...-Test_GPU-strategy-XCOM_2-test-XCom2_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...Test_GPU-Action-Mad_Max_-test-new-mm_2560.jpg

Now it is possible that in some of these where the 690 = 680 that SLI was not working and may be now, you'd have to ask others or do some searching. But with the 2GB cap at 2560x1440 / 1600 it's still not gonna scale fabulously in many games.

I got the same gpu setup and its kind of why I scaled back some of my PC purchases lately. I don't think a 980ti is going to give me the wow factor over what I have, but what I have lacks the power to really crush games. I have shifted to 1080p on my TV until Pascal and arctic islands comes out. I want cards capable of running at 4k with a decent frame rate before I upgrade.
 

Jamaro85

Member
Well, what parts are you thinking of buying and what do you already have? How much do you have left to spend? I think I'd suggest a B150 or H170 motherboard for you, depending on what you're going to go with.

I'm not sure if you're still lurking around the thread, but thanks again for responding. So far these are what I'm looking at getting:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KtfH6h
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KtfH6h/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($42.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($319.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $697.73

I initially was thinking to go with a MicroATX case but I'm not even sure that's a necessity for me right now. I guess a MicroATX board is preferred, but not if I'd be losing out on any functionality (which I doubt). I don't have a budget, per se, but I'm not trying to needlessly overspend either.
 

LilJoka

Member
I have a quick question guys.

So one of the motherboards that I have, the CPU Fan header has stopped working. I think I may have shorted it out many years ago. So because of that, I've got no choice but to connect the CPU fan into a SYS_FAN header instead. Problem is, it runs at max rpm all the time due to not having auto adjustment regulation. As you can imagine, the noise from the fan is loud and annoying. Is there anything at all I can do to make to have the CPU fan work as it is supposed to?

What motherboard?
You run a resistor in line with the 12v cable to downvolt to 7-8v.
Otherwise some sort of fan controller needed.
 

RGM79

Member
Hey guys! I just want to get your opinion with my build, Imma buy these next week or the week after. It's for light-hardcore gaming, light video editing, and music production.

Fractal Designs Define S/NZXT S340 (which ever is available)
i5 4690
MSI H97 Gaming 3
MSI R9-390 Gaming
Corsair Vengeance 4x4gb 16gb CL9 1600
Cruxial BX100 250GB
WD Green 1TB
Seasonic M12II-750 EVO 750W
2 Additional Corsair AF120

Where are you buying the parts from and how much does each one cost? If you have the money, I'd recommend going for the newer Intel 6th generation parts, like an i5 6500. You should go for 2x8GB of RAM instead of 4x4GB, there's no benefit to filling up all of your RAM slots. I would avoid WD Green drives, they're slower than the WD Blue models and probably cost around the same. The Seasonic PSU is a good choice for quality, but I'm almost certain I can find a better costing PSU that won't skimp on quality.

Looking to build my first gaming PC in the coming months. This might be a dumb question, but if I'm not interested in overclocking does it make sense to go with a non-K CPU? I notice the non-K version are slightly cheaper. Are there any other differences I need to be aware of?

Other than the inability to overclock, there's some very slight differences in clock speed. Usually the K model overclockable processors are at the top of the range and have the highest clock speeds by default. E.g., the i5 6600 has a slightly lower base clock speed than the i5 6600K. The 0.2GHz difference won't impact performance that much, but the difference is still there.

If going for a non-overclocking processor, you can pair it with a lower cost non-overclocking motherboard. Z series motherboards like Z97 and Z170 have overclocking capability built in, while the cheaper and lower end H and B series motherboards (H81, B85, H97 for socket 1150 and H110, B150, H170 for socket 1151) typically have fewer USB ports and mostly lack overclocking ability.

I'm not sure if you're still lurking around the thread, but thanks again for responding. So far these are what I'm looking at getting:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KtfH6h
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KtfH6h/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($42.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($319.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $697.73

I initially was thinking to go with a MicroATX case but I'm not even sure that's a necessity for me right now. I guess a MicroATX board is preferred, but not if I'd be losing out on any functionality (which I doubt). I don't have a budget, per se, but I'm not trying to needlessly overspend either.

Alright then, let me help you fill out the rest of that parts list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: MSI B150M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($48.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $797.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-12 20:01 EST-0500

Even then, there are still some other considerations. You seem to be going to a local Microcenter store to pick up the processor, you should also look into getting a motherboard from there. Picking up any compatible motherboard and CPU from there together will get you a $20 discount off your bill, no need to stick to certain bundles.

I chose a cheaper R9 390, that MSI model you had selected earlier isn't bad but at $320 it's kind of pricey. Alternatively there are some nice R9 390 models from other brands for under and around $300 after rebate.

The Silverstone case I chose is a nice budget model, but I know that aesthetics are subjective. If you prefer a different case for looks or are looking for certain features (design? color? case window? noise suppression?) then feel free to ask for recommendations or look for another one.

Lastly, don't worry about the warning on the parts list about the graphics card not fitting. PCPartPicker just doesn't have all the information. The Silverstone website says the case will take graphics cards up to 14.1" by 5.7", and the graphics card measures 12.01" x 5.12" according to Newegg. You might be changing the case anyway.

It's a fairly old one. Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3.

Don't know how I would go about with the resistor. Any guides?

There are premade cables for those kinds of things.
 

luoapp

Member
It's a fairly old one. Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3.

Don't know how I would go about with the resistor. Any guides?

Running the fan at a constant low voltage may not be safe when the CPU is heavily loaded. The only thing _may_ work is to connect the 4th pin on the CPU fan head to the CPU fan socket on the M/B.
 

Jamaro85

Member
Alright then, let me help you fill out the rest of that parts list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: MSI B150M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($48.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $797.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-12 20:01 EST-0500

Even then, there are still some other considerations. You seem to be going to a local Microcenter store to pick up the processor, you should also look into getting a motherboard from there. Picking up any compatible motherboard and CPU from there together will get you a $20 discount off your bill, no need to stick to certain bundles.

I chose a cheaper R9 390, that MSI model you had selected earlier isn't bad but at $320 it's kind of pricey. Alternatively there are some nice R9 390 models from other brands for under and around $300 after rebate.

The Silverstone case I chose is a nice budget model, but I know that aesthetics are subjective. If you prefer a different case for looks or are looking for certain features (design? color? case window? noise suppression?) then feel free to ask for recommendations or look for another one.

Lastly, don't worry about the warning on the parts list about the graphics card not fitting. PCPartPicker just doesn't have all the information. The Silverstone website says the case will take graphics cards up to 14.1" by 5.7", and the graphics card measures 12.01" x 5.12" according to Newegg. You might be changing the case anyway.

I honestly still have no idea where I want to go with the case. I'll have to think about that one a bit more. I have a few questions though.

-Is there any reason to go one brand over another for the 390? I was only looking at the MSI version because I saw a lot of people in this thread were choosing that for their build. I definitely don't want to spend $60 more on it if it's no more trustworthy than the PowerColor.

-Would you see any real necessity to go with a higher clocked/unlocked CPU with a 390? I went through numerous threads on tomshardware of people asking if various CPUs would bottleneck it, and it seemed to be consensus that 3.2 GHz CPUs would not hold them back. I do however see a lot of people in here grabbing K's with their 390 and wondered if there would be any measurable benefit for gaming in particular. It's currently only $20 to get from the i5-6500 to the i5-6600K, plus cost of a cooler (I would be fine with the stock cooler for the i5-6500 because it's not being OCed, right?)

-The price you found for the 750W PSU is awesome, but I doubt I'll be buying from that store and will probably just grab one from MicroCenter since they seem to be decently priced. Was the choosing of that PSU simply because of it being a bargain, or do you think I would need 750W for this build? Everything I've come across has indicated that 650W should be sufficient for a standard R9 390 build, and I was looking at getting the 650W EVGA G2 or GS (it seems you can't really go wrong by picking one over the other).

http://www.microcenter.com/product/457337/SuperNOVA_G2_650_Watt_80_Gold_Modular_ATX_12V_Power_Supply

-Is it preferable to have DDR4-2133 memory over DDR4-2400 because of timings? I see that you changed out the 2400 memory I selected in favor of 2133 memory. In the description for the mobo you chose it says it only supports 2133, so perhaps that had something to do with it.

-How would you go about choosing a motherboard? The one you selected looks fine to me but I honestly get a HEADACHE when trying to peruse through motherboards. Even when I go through the highest rated ones there are plenty of complaints about various issues, though I suppose many are just bad luck with getting DOAs. I however really have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for with a motherboard (other than proper socket and size). If I see one for $60 I feel like it's probably not something I want due to the low price, if I see one for $150 I don't know if I need the extra features that cause the price to be that high. Motherboard selection is the one part that keeps giving me pause in all of this.

Thanks again for taking the time to help out.
 
I know this isn't quite the right thread but I don't know what's more suitable.

I'm considering buying an M.2 SSD for my laptop, an Acer VN7-591G. The problem is that I can't find for certain if or how it supports it. Apparently it supports it but "only through mSATA and not PCIE". Does anyone know that, if I was to install this, it would still be SSD-like in performance? I'm tired of having a 5400rpm boot drive and want something at least as fast as a typical desktop's mechanical drive.
 

Jarmel

Banned
I suggest looking for benchmarks that still have a GTX 690, as that is 2x GTX 680. Essentially your 670 SLI will be maybe 15% slower - or equal if you have a strong overclock. GameGPU still usually has a 690, and you can compare it to a 290 and 970. They do not have a 390, but generally it performs at just about the 290X level.

http://gamegpu.ru/

I pulled up most of the latest games and patches reviews for you (these are the most up-to-date Fallout 4 benchies I have seen, for example):

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/htt...allout_4_Beta_Patch_1.3-test-fall4_2560_s.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...ssassins_Creed_Syndicate-test-new-ac_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/htt...PU-Action-Rainbow_Six_Siege_-test-r7_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...on-STAR_WARS_Battlefront-test-new-sw_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...PU-Action-Just_Cause_3_-test-new-jc3_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...l_of_Duty_Black_Ops_III-test-new-cod_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht..._V_The_Phantom_Pain-test-new-new-mgs_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...and_Theft_Auto_V_-test-new-new-gta_v_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...-Test_GPU-strategy-XCOM_2-test-XCom2_2560.jpg
http://gamegpu.com/images/remote/ht...Test_GPU-Action-Mad_Max_-test-new-mm_2560.jpg

Now it is possible that in some of these where the 690 = 680 that SLI was not working and may be now, you'd have to ask others or do some searching. But with the 2GB cap at 2560x1440 / 1600 it's still not gonna scale fabulously in many games.

Thank you for the links and information.
 

Theonik

Member
I know this isn't quite the right thread but I don't know what's more suitable.

I'm considering buying an M.2 SSD for my laptop, an Acer VN7-591G. The problem is that I can't find for certain if or how it supports it. Apparently it supports it but "only through mSATA and not PCIE". Does anyone know that, if I was to install this, it would still be SSD-like in performance? I'm tired of having a 5400rpm boot drive and want something at least as fast as a typical desktop's mechanical drive.
mSATA will only give you SATA like performance. That port will not support a PCIe SSD like say the Samsung 950 Pro, but you can get an mSATA SSD in there and it should be better than a normal HDD.
 

RGM79

Member
I honestly still have no idea where I want to go with the case. I'll have to think about that one a bit more. I have a few questions though.

-Is there any reason to go one brand over another for the 390? I was only looking at the MSI version because I saw a lot of people in this thread were choosing that for their build. I definitely don't want to spend $60 more on it if it's no more trustworthy than the PowerColor.

-Would you see any real necessity to go with a higher clocked/unlocked CPU with a 390? I went through numerous threads on tomshardware of people asking if various CPUs would bottleneck it, and it seemed to be consensus that 3.2 GHz CPUs would not hold them back. I do however see a lot of people in here grabbing K's with their 390 and wondered if there would be any measurable benefit for gaming in particular. It's currently only $20 to get from the i5-6500 to the i5-6600K, plus cost of a cooler (I would be fine with the stock cooler for the i5-6500 because it's not being OCed, right?)

-The price you found for the 750W PSU is awesome, but I doubt I'll be buying from that store and will probably just grab one from MicroCenter since they seem to be decently priced. Was the choosing of that PSU simply because of it being a bargain, or do you think I would need 750W for this build? Everything I've come across has indicated that 650W should be sufficient for a standard R9 390 build, and I was looking at getting the 650W EVGA G2 or GS (it seems you can't really go wrong by picking one over the other).

http://www.microcenter.com/product/457337/SuperNOVA_G2_650_Watt_80_Gold_Modular_ATX_12V_Power_Supply

-Is it preferable to have DDR4-2133 memory over DDR4-2400 because of timings? I see that you changed out the 2400 memory I selected in favor of 2133 memory. In the description for the mobo you chose it says it only supports 2133, so perhaps that had something to do with it.

-How would you go about choosing a motherboard? The one you selected looks fine to me but I honestly get a HEADACHE when trying to peruse through motherboards. Even when I go through the highest rated ones there are plenty of complaints about various issues, though I suppose many are just bad luck with getting DOAs. I however really have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for with a motherboard (other than proper socket and size). If I see one for $60 I feel like it's probably not something I want due to the low price, if I see one for $150 I don't know if I need the extra features that cause the price to be that high. Motherboard selection is the one part that keeps giving me pause in all of this.

Thanks again for taking the time to help out.

1. Not particularly, as far as I know. Some don't like Powercolor's support, but there are those who don't like MSI's customer service either. If you want to step up to a better known and more popular brand, there are still Gigabyte, Asus, Sapphire, and XFX models which cost about $300 after rebate.

2. The parts list as we have it now won't be a bottleneck. Hard to say in the future, though. Yes, you'll be fine with the stock cooler of an i5 6500, although some people get an aftermarket cooler anyway because they want less noise and lower maximum temperatures.

3. If you'll be choosing the PSU yourself, then you can refer here (click on "see full content") for a guideline as to the quality of the power supplies you're looking at. You should also look up professional reviews if possible - I tend to refer to Jonny Guru and HardOCP for power supply reviews. You don't need to read and understand all the points they make about electrical power, just see what they're rated as being and if there are any major flaws. I tend to look at EVGA and XFX power supplies most often. No, you don't need 750 watts for your build. I just tend to recommend that power supply very often because it's one of the best bang-for-buck models there are. It's very well built, has nice features like a large fan and modular cabling, and is usually at an excellent price.

Yeah, the EVGA G2 and GS models are very good too. They also have a new GQ line which looks nice as well. The one you linked to is a good model, but that price is very expensive. The G2 750 watt model is cheaper elsewhere like Amazon, but I guess you're set on purchasing from Microcenter.

4. I picked the 2133MHz RAM because that's what the motherboard supports and it was cheaper. I didn't look closely at the timings, as I just saw it was CAS15 and that's fairly common and acceptable for 2133 and 2400MHz. The 2400MHz RAM from your initial parts list is also rated at CAS15. If both have the same timings but one has a higher speed, the one with higher speed is better (but it won't run at 2400MHz in a motherboard that won't support it anyway).

5. I tend to look at professional and user reviews when it comes to motherboards. I filter the list for motherboards that match the user's needs (in your case non-overclocking means B150 or H170, then filter for mATX size only). Then I sort by popularity and review score, then choose something based on that. After a couple of months of looking through motherboard lists, I've come to rely on a few that seem to have consistently good overall ratings.

Professional reviews give you insight into a motherboard's features and technical capabilities, but user reviews can tell you if the company making the motherboards are cheaping out on parts or quality control for mass production. As a rule of thumb, I try to recommend stuff that has a lot of user reviews and is rated at least 4/5 stars. The more feedback the better you know about a product, and the less of it that is proportionally negative, the more you can hope/assume you'll be getting a product that won't be a dud. Every product is going to have some negative reviews, as these are pretty complex components. It's not like the factory producing them is going to have a 0% rate of failure, so don't be too worried by negative reviews unless a lot of people are complaining about the same thing, and if there's a lot of negative reviews.
 
Hey guys!

This is my current PC build (minus the case because I didn't want to dig through PCPartPicker's listings to find mine) with one expection: I currently have an Asus Strix GTX 970, and I listed an MSI GTX 980 ti because I'm thinking of upgrading to it.

My question is: Is my power supply going to be good enough? I'd rather not have to go out and get a 750w or something too but if 600 is too iffy I will.
 

coughlanio

Member
So, after being in Japan for a couple of weeks now, finally starting to get my PC together.

My motherboard got damaged in transit, so had to order a new one, which just arrived today. Went with the ASUS H97-PRO. I currently have a 4670K, but didn't want to spend too much on a motherboard as I plan to upgrade to Skylake-E or Zen later this year.

I also ordered a new case to put the stuff in, a Coolermaster Mastercase 5 Pro. Really love the modularity and look of the case, and it's going to be nice going back to ATX after being with mATX builds for so long.

I possibly did something stupid and ordered that Philips 40" 4K monitor. It was a great deal here, think I paid 67,000 ¥ for it. 28" 4K monitors were around that price, and given the size of our apartment, it's a good size to double as a TV in the living room. I'm a little worried about the size for desk use, but screw it.
 

LilJoka

Member
It's a fairly old one. Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3.

Don't know how I would go about with the resistor. Any guides?

You just need to know the amperage of the fan, plus a bit of guessing.
Eg a 12v 0.5A fan to calculate a resistor to run at 8v
V=IR
V/I=R
12-4/0.5=R=16ohms so buy a few around this value to test.

Then cut the 12v cable on the fan, throw a heatshrink on the wire, then solder the resistor in line and cover with heatshrink.
 
Works for me! That pic is hilarious, but by the time I think I'll be ready to make any upgrades I'll have plenty in the budget to get a new motherboard.

Again I really appreciate your help (and everyone else's of course!). One final question before I pull the trigger-- how's my build looking for the new Doom? Are the system requirements up?

edit: seems like it'll handle it just fine.

AND I just ordered. Finalized:

Case: Fractal Design Node 304
GPU: XFX Double Dissipation R9 390
CPU: Intel i5 6600K 3.5ghz
Memory: Ripjaws 16GB (8GBx2)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Mini-ITX DDR4
PSU: Cooler Master V650 PSU
HDD: WD 1TB
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler

Let us know how it goes.
I ordered and my parts have started arriving.
Lets see which noob can fuck this up the hardest ;)
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
bloody toaster just went pop which also tripped the RCD, turning all sockets off including my PC. I have a UPS for my NAS/router/modem so that was ok, but my PC turned off instantly.

Does that do any damage, or will it be fine? It rarely happens (don't get regular power cuts or anything) so I don't think its worth getting another UPS just for my PC. Anyone use a UPS to protect their PC?
 
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