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"I Need a New PC!" 2015 Part 2. Read the OP. Rocking 2500K's until HBM2 and beyond.
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Looks sleek.
I think this is good advice guys. New cards have to be right around the corner and I can live with my single 970 until then. 3440x1440 is just too much for it to handle in the high end stuff right now. I think I would be kicking myself when the next 980ti comes out.
holygeesus
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There won't be a ti variant of the new Pascal flagship for a long, long time. As with all tech, there is always something better around the corner.
opticalmace
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What motherboard is it? The mobo in the picture, the P8H61-M, comes with optical out, according to the Asus site? https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8H61M/gallery/
Broadbandito
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Helping a friend with a new build. He's trying to keep it cost effective.
What do yall think would be a fair price for a Sapphire 7970 3GB if I sold it to him for his build?
What do yall think would be a fair price for a Sapphire 7970 3GB if I sold it to him for his build?
I've personally never seen a Mobo or a sound card with an optical audio out I'm sure they exist though.
Fake Edit: Found one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...sound_card_optical_out-_-29-270-015-_-Product
I can't comment on the quality of it though and no reviews
Double Edit: Haha I say that and then look at the MOBO I just got in the mail earlier today and it has one xD
demented waffle
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Just got my new memory in the mail. Just gotta wait for it to get room temp.
opticalmace
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? Tons of motherboards come with optical out.
Nope, no optical port. It's the P8H61-M LE R2.0
Would this work?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0045JHJSS/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I'm sure they do lol I've just never owned one until a few seconds ago.
Hey all, I'm looking for a quality monitor for relatively cheap (<$200), what would you recommend? It's mostly for gaming, and the one I borrowed from a friend when i first build my computer 2 months ago is 900p, which means games don't take much power to run, but I'd rather have at least 1080p. I don't need anything permanent, just something better.
jstevenson
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Buy a 980 to update my rig for Oculus now, or buy a 970 now with the plan to sell and upgrade to the new cards when they hit?
Didn't the 970 had that VRAM problem everyone was talking about?
So I got all the parts for my new build. I only plan on 1080p on a 24" monitor so I didn't need anything overkill.
i5 6600k
8gb corsair vengeance ddr4
Gigabyte z170 sli mobo
Gigabyte gtx 960 4gb vid card
And I get my mobo and notice it supports m.2 pcie up to 32gb/s transfer speeds. I was already planning using my Samsung 840 EVO 256gb SSD and a 1 TB western digital HDD from my old PC.
So the question is..is it worth dropping another $180 for a 256gb Samsung m.2 ssd for this system or just continue using what I was planning on using. It's a serious question because I've got all the parts for my build except the m.2 and that's what's holding me up. I can wait a few days to build it until it gets here. Can anyone talk me out of or give me a good reason why I should not buy this m.2 SSD?
i5 6600k
8gb corsair vengeance ddr4
Gigabyte z170 sli mobo
Gigabyte gtx 960 4gb vid card
And I get my mobo and notice it supports m.2 pcie up to 32gb/s transfer speeds. I was already planning using my Samsung 840 EVO 256gb SSD and a 1 TB western digital HDD from my old PC.
So the question is..is it worth dropping another $180 for a 256gb Samsung m.2 ssd for this system or just continue using what I was planning on using. It's a serious question because I've got all the parts for my build except the m.2 and that's what's holding me up. I can wait a few days to build it until it gets here. Can anyone talk me out of or give me a good reason why I should not buy this m.2 SSD?
Yes, but it will still destroy a 380X or 960. If you're concerned about longevity then there's the 390 8GB too.
The best value per dollar irrespective of power level? According to the Futuremark hardware channel the r7 370 http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu
What is your actual price point though?
970 is still the better value even @ 3.5GB VRAM. Look at the frames you'll be getting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK0VAPwrnmM
demented waffle
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That 3.5gb won't come into equation on 1080p settings for most games. If you're unwilling to overclock and want more vram? Get a 390. If a 390 is up your alley, you might wanna wait for Polaris.
Feels good to actually type that. Although, prob not so much for potential buyers atm. Kind of depends on your current gpu atm.
Pop-O-Matic
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So, will the higher-end Pascal/Polaris cards be about the same size as the Fury X (<8 inches), or will they still be 11+ inch case monsters? Want to know, since I don't want to buy a new case, but my current one (an old Antec 300 I've had since '08) probably won't fit a longer card.
demented waffle
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The higher end cards on both ends should sure as hell be hbm. HBM is a much shorter form factor than GDDR5.
HBM isn't just solving TDP problems, it solving form factor as well. Both vendors should have a nice competitor for that situation. Right now, it's the nano or fury.
Just depends on how patient you are.
It's out of warranty, I'm assuming? You can check craigslist, but ebay postings seem to start at $125~150.
You could get a sound card if you wanted, but you can just use this $13 adaptor to get S/PDIF optical from a header on your motherboard. Your motherboard does support S/PDIF, they just cheaped out and didn't include the connector at the back of the motherboard. The screenshot of the manual page you posted shows where to plug it in, and here's a picture of your motherboard with the actual port circled in red:
I don't think it's worth it. It's definitely faster than your old 840 Evo, but your SSD already provides you with great seek times and fast loading, the M.2 SSD just kicks it up a notch with even faster sequential read/write speeds. The performance is definitely there, but when I say I think it's not worth it, it's because $160 will get you a 500GB SATA SSD. In daily usage I don't think most users would notice the difference between SATA and M.2 very much, but if you're doing intensive work on the PC with large files (audio/video production, etc) then it could be worth it as time saved is time you can spend doing other things. For work it can improve productivity, but it's not a requirement for home use and gaming.
This may be a stupid question, but what does it take to run 4k and everything maxed and 60fps on newer triple AAA games? Is there even a card that does that? rite now I have 2 980ti sli and it seems that even in games that support SLI I can't come anywhere near to hitting that. Cards seem to be working fine as in most games I get at least 60fps and everything maxed at 1080p when I run Unigine valley it seems to be hitting average of 160 fps. Rest of my PC is I7@4790@4.0ghz@32 GB ram@ 2 980ti SLI. So is there no cards that really offer what I'm askin? Sorry stil kind of new to PC gaming, and I don't have allot of knowledge about PCs in general, although I'm learning lol. Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions
The 390 seems to expensive (+$100 of my budget), I found at a good price for a used gtx 970 at Amazon warehouse deals, but I'm afraid it doesn't come with warranty.
Interesting site, around my price range -$200- it seems the 270 is the best valued one.
I'm fine with 60 fps on my games.
390 seems to expensive to me unfortunately.
It's a difficult choice -_- Maybe I should buy something a little bit lower in specs. I'm trying to upgrade from an older Radeon HD 7850 with 2GB
Wow. Strange, yet interesting. You saved me $20, thanks so much! Excellent reviews, too.
Well, that's 60fps in Hardline, which isn't that impressive. You'll be grateful you spent the extra $40 once you start playing much more taxing games like Quantum Break later this year, for example.
What games are you playing? Some lean heavier on the GPU or CPU when it comes to framerate, but the absolutely most demanding games cannot be maxed out at 4K and 60FPS at the moment, even on a twin GTX 980 Ti setup. HardOCP tested the strongest flagship graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia in SLI/crossfire and it still isn't enough.
See here as well, something like GTAV cannot be maxed out at 4K even on a monster setup with an i7 5960X overclocked to 4.0GHz and and *four* GTX 980 Ti cards running together.
I pretty much did what you're thinking about doing... I went w/ 2 970s for a while last year, but the heat was just more than I was comfortable with. I sold both in favor of a 980 ti FTW, which was pretty much an even trade, and I'm much happier now. Runs cooler, quieter, sucks less power, puts out comparable performance, I like the backplate (my 970s bowed like crazy), and I don't have to worry about game-specific SLI support.
Edit: And wow at that GTA5 on high w/ 4x (!) 980 ti not able to hit 60fps. 4K gaming is so far off for me. I'd rather have the frames.
If you cannot afford the 390 or 970 then the best choice on the new market would be the 380X, but there is still quite the leap from that to the aforementioned cards. I know you are hesitant against used for warranty reasons, but another option is hunting down a used aftermarket 290 as it is an under clocked 390 with 4GB, so there's not much performance difference.
So the 290 is better than the 380x? Weird numbering by AMD if that's the case
Yea I would go with the 380X I'm currently sporting a non X 280 and it runs absolutely everything I throw at it great (most demanding game I've played is probably GTA5 at the preset settings I get a completely playable and smooth FPS)
First number is the series and has no bearing on power (ex 300 series 200 series) second double set of numbers is best thought of as a measurement of power (ex 80 is better than 70) and then the X is a special version of a card usually running at a slightly higher clock.
demented waffle
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I don't envy your position. A stop gap could be in the works, but most are somewhat trivial over a 7850 for the money.
A 380 should help a bit with the conversion. There's a Nvidia counter as well.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-380-vs-Radeon-HD-7850
A 960 also should the job atm. If you're looking for a stop-gap atm.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-380-vs-GeForce-GTX-960
Disclaimer: GPU BOSS sucks.
Broadbandito
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Zotac Premium Edition 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99) (7970 should fit case when HDD bay is removed)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($20.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $559.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-17 15:56 EST-0500
Looking for some input on on a psu. The 7970 says a minimum of 500. Can I safely go with a EVGA 210-GQ-0650-V1 650W or be extra safe and do EVGA 220-G2-0750-XR 80 PLUS GOLD 750W or FSP Group Hydro G Series HG750 750W ?
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Zotac Premium Edition 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99) (7970 should fit case when HDD bay is removed)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($20.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $559.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-17 15:56 EST-0500
Looking for some input on on a psu. The 7970 says a minimum of 500. Can I safely go with a EVGA 210-GQ-0650-V1 650W or be extra safe and do EVGA 220-G2-0750-XR 80 PLUS GOLD 750W or FSP Group Hydro G Series HG750 750W ?
GPU PSU minimum requirements are based on the worst PSUs and high wattage systems. 650W is absolutely fine.
demented waffle
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Google the vendor's warranty. My gigabyte warranty was awesome on transfer. Some aren't.
I googled MegaRetailStore which is the reseller but could find anything that informative really.
I think I'll just stick with my Radeon HD 7850 for the moment, at least until the GTX 970/R9 390 come down in price a little bit
Thanks everyone for all the advice
demented waffle
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I should've been more clear. I meant the card vendor. Some vendors are awesome with warranties. My gigabyte was one. It's cooler was shit, but it's warranty is awesome.
I can deal with the shitty tri-force cooler slapped on half-assed, if the former coin miner I bought has 2 years unconditional. It's warranty is till 4-17-17. I bought it over 12 months ago.
Edit: oops
Exactly what I'm doing, though I've got a 7970. Still works okay with 90% of games.
As RGM says, there is no bulletproof setup for this. About as good as you can get is a framerate in the 40-60 range using a G-Sync 4K to smooth it out a bit.
I think 1440p @ 120/144Hz is the sweet spot right now for "ultra high end".
Ok thank u, and that's crazy that a setup like that can't run GTA V maxed at 4K, that helps clarify things. I've noticed even with my setup at 1080p and everything maxed I drop down to like 45fps with certain games. I guess that depends how well optimized the game for PC as well? I've been having trouble with Tomb Raider to keep it stable 60fps with that setup and everything maxed, but I noticed in the ROTR forum that allot of people are having some issues with it. So it just depends on a game by game basis?
For the most part I do hold steady at 60fps or higher with everything maxed and 1080p
Thank you. Ya it seems that way.
Rise of the Tomb Raider has all sorts of SLI issues:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/911635/sli/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-sli-support/5/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/911635/sli/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-sli-support/5/
NormalFish
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Alright folks, one way or another my CPU socket on my ASRock P67 Pro3 MoBo is mangled. I need a new motherboard, and I'm unfortunately quite low on funds.
Parts: GTX 960, i5 3570k, 2x4GB GSkill DDR3-1600, Need 4 SATA slots for Hard drives and optical drive, and my case currently needs 3-4 Chassis fan slots and 1-2 CPU fan slots.
The pickings seem really slim at this point, and I'm kind of at a loss. Any suggestions are more than welcome.
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Oh, I should mention I would rather not go with ASRock if possible. I've had 2 motherboards from them now and they both have given me endless grief.
Parts: GTX 960, i5 3570k, 2x4GB GSkill DDR3-1600, Need 4 SATA slots for Hard drives and optical drive, and my case currently needs 3-4 Chassis fan slots and 1-2 CPU fan slots.
The pickings seem really slim at this point, and I'm kind of at a loss. Any suggestions are more than welcome.
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Oh, I should mention I would rather not go with ASRock if possible. I've had 2 motherboards from them now and they both have given me endless grief.
Thank you for this. I haven't bought any components yet and was still on the fence about going with an overclock, and you've just completely removed the intimidation factor for me. I haven't messed with overclocking a machine since 2006 but feel a lot more comfortable about it now.
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