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Amazon specs list it at 120mm
demented waffle
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The 120mm is the fan. The cooler is 160mm.
160 all together or does that make it 160 + 120?
demented waffle
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120mm fan on a 160mm cooler. It isn't 120+160
No it's 160mm. The fan is attached to the side of the cooler, it doesn't add to the height.
So it's 280mm all together or 160 with the fan attached?
Lactose_Intolerant
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Take a look at the picture
I posted the picture it tells me nothing without scale.
OmegaSkittle
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Look at the Power Management properties on your Ethernet/Wifi Controller. Look to see if "Allow this device to wake the computer" box is checked.
My PC was doing the same thing until I realized my HTPC was turning on my computer whenever it tried to access anything on my main PC.
Kenzodielocke
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I am a bit worried. My case, the Fractal Design R4 has a CPU clearance of 170mm, the CPU cooler has a height of 170mm, will I be fine ?
demented waffle
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They should take cpu coolers up to 170mm. Although, that's gonna be cutting it really close. You won't be able to use side fans either.
From their site:
I would personally use something a bit smaller.
The Lamonster
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Thanks, I will check this, although it is wired (no wifi card either) and shouldn't be pulling any data after a shutdown command. And why would that setting change all of the sudden?
I also read to use the Power Management troubleshooter. Will try these things tonight.
Kenzodielocke
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So how tall should it be then ? I am going to change my order. Is 162mm fine or should I go as small as 143mm ? No experience with this whatsoever.
demented waffle
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162 mm would be fine. I'd doubt you'd be able to use side fans, but I'd doubt they make much of a difference anyways.
Kenzodielocke
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Thanks for the quick answer, will order the thermalright macho cooler then.
I don't know what picture you're looking at. The official specifications say 158.5mm height, which is usually rounded up to 159mm or 160mm when talking about the 212 Evo in general.
That image is from the bottom of the official product page for the 212 Evo. You can also click on "specs" to see numerical stats.
Does it not do that in slot 1 for sure? Web browsers and video players can and do use the GPU for hardware acceleration. And what CPU cooler do you have that interferes with the graphics card?
If possible, I would recommend you keep it in the first/uppermost slot, that is usually the fastest slot for motherboards. This screenshot is from page 1-13 of your motherboard manual, it says the second PCI-E x16 slot is limited to PCI-E 2.0. While that's not a bottleneck for most graphics cards, it isn't the fastest slot either. Studies by HardOCP and Guru3D have shown that PCI-E 2.0 x16 will result in slightly less performance than running in PCI-E 3.0 x16.
I don't know what picture you're looking at. The official specifications say 158.5mm height, which is usually rounded up to 159mm or 160mm when talking about the 212 Evo in general.
That image is from the bottom of the official product page for the 212 Evo. You can also click on "specs" to see numerical stats.
Does it not do that in slot 1 for sure? Web browsers and video players can and do use the GPU for hardware acceleration. And what CPU cooler do you have that interferes with the graphics card?
If possible, I would recommend you keep it in the first/uppermost slot, that is usually the fastest slot for motherboards. This screenshot is from page 1-13 of your motherboard manual, it says the second PCI-E x16 slot is limited to PCI-E 2.0. While that's not a bottleneck for most graphics cards, it isn't the fastest slot either. Studies by HardOCP and Guru3D have shown that PCI-E 2.0 x16 will result in slightly less performance than running in PCI-E 3.0 x16.
So the fan is mounted on the side? I've never used a heatsink like that before lol. I assumed you placed the opposite side of the fan on the CPU like with all the reference coolers I've installed thanks.
Yep, the 212 Evo and similar coolers mount onto the CPU standing up so they're typically called "tower" coolers.
mullet2000
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Yeah, 600 watts is fine. Why two 1TB hard drives and the expensive and old Z87 motherboard, though?
mullet2000
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Those are all parts I already have in my current build from over a year ago. I'm just upgrading my GPU to a 980 ti and wanted to make sure my PSU would still cut it.
Oh, I see. So you haven't bought that MSI GTX 980 Ti yet, right? There are some slightly better deals around, like this EVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW edition for $635~640. It comes with a higher factory clock speed, although the cooler on the MSI model is slightly larger and potentially better for overclocking. There's the Gigabyte Windforce model as well for $613. It has a large triple fan cooler but lacks the MSI and EVGA models' semi-fanless mode and has a lower factory clock speed.
See that makes more sense lol. My case lists the clearance as 140mm
I found a low profile cooler master that should be perfect http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103204
Would this be able to OC?
mullet2000
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Yeah, haven't bought the 980 ti yet.
Thanks for the opinions! Unfortunately I'm in Canada though, so those prices don't apply to me. You can use the .ca version of pcpartpicker if you want to see our prices, they run at about $900 CAD up here. The EVGA FTW edition would run about $30 less than the MSI gaming card here, would you recommend that over the MSI? The Windforce is slightly too big for my case though! Even if it wasn't too big, I value the semi-fanless mode on the MSI and EVGA quite a bit.
DirtyLarry
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I know this is a Build You Own PC thread, and I am probably going to lean that route, but taking into account time is money, what do people think of this bundle for the new Asus Oculus Ready PC's on Amazon???
Link to Amazon
Link to Asus' Product Page
I like the idea of a smaller desktop, and it seems to be pretty powerful overall, so I have to say I am tempted to pick this up and cancel my preorder. I just wish it said what Motherboard was in it and if one could eventually SLi if they wanted to.
Link to Amazon
Link to Asus' Product Page
I like the idea of a smaller desktop, and it seems to be pretty powerful overall, so I have to say I am tempted to pick this up and cancel my preorder. I just wish it said what Motherboard was in it and if one could eventually SLi if they wanted to.
Lactose_Intolerant
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You have been told how big the fan is. Thus why I told you to look at the picture.
It's been addressed I had made a wrong assumption about the orientation of the cooler.
Bluforce
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You are assuming right. You can't really upgrade that PC, and StarCraft II is very CPU heavy.
I had a PC with an APU on a FM2 board.
Ah, guys, my new parts will arrive tomorrow.
DUFFMCWALIN
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What is going on with that tower.
Also thats a plain 980 not a ti and thats a non k processor. Not sure if you care about those things but I just figured I would point those out.
CraigerGamer
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Should be starting my (1st) build tomorrow night and I have a question. I do not have Ethernet capability where the PC is going so I bought a wireless antennae. Not a big deal, though I have also purchased a video capture card. Both cards will use the PCI-E connectors on the motherboard. I purchased the Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI so it should have plenty of connection ports for these two cards plus my video card.
My question is...due to the heat off the R9 390, do I need to be careful about other perifials that are installed immediately above and below the video card? The video card will be installed in the PCIEx16 slot. The wireless antennae will be placed in the PCIEx1_1 slot so the antennae prongs wont get in the way of the other ports outside the case.
Can the capture card (pictured below) fit into a PCIEx8 or a PCIEx4 slot? I ask not just because of the heat issue but the 390 takes up 2 slots so the PCIEx1_2 will be covered up.
Thanks for helping a first time builder.
My question is...due to the heat off the R9 390, do I need to be careful about other perifials that are installed immediately above and below the video card? The video card will be installed in the PCIEx16 slot. The wireless antennae will be placed in the PCIEx1_1 slot so the antennae prongs wont get in the way of the other ports outside the case.
Can the capture card (pictured below) fit into a PCIEx8 or a PCIEx4 slot? I ask not just because of the heat issue but the 390 takes up 2 slots so the PCIEx1_2 will be covered up.
Thanks for helping a first time builder.
You can fit your peripheral cards in any slots available, you'll want the GPU at a the top probably as heat rises. But shouldn't matter too much.
Pop-O-Matic
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Yeah, you can put a PCIEx1 card in a PCIEx8 no problem.
CraigerGamer
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DUFFMCWALIN
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We have almost the exact same build. I put the wifi card all the way on the bottom slot and have had no heating issues. My 390 is at the top.
BorntoPlay
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Would this be a good cooler for an i7-6700K or an i5-6600K to OC in the future? Note: A low profile cooler is a must.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005O65JXI/?tag=neogaf0e-20
this is a great alternative for 212 evo and is low profile:
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 - CPU Cooler with 3 Direct Contact Heat Pipes
DirtyLarry
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K just means I cannot overclock it? Is that correct? If so, yeah I do not care about that.
And honestly if I build my own, I doubt I would spring the money for a Ti either.
The tower is atrocious, but I like the small factor and it will be underneath my desk so look is not really something I am concerned about. Just size and value and the fact to build my own will take time, which is a precious commodity for myself these days. So I do not mind spending an extra few bucks if it means I get the hours back from someone else doing it.
Noob question:
Would I be OK using this MSI GTX 770 with my current power supply (FirePower ModXStream Pro 700MXSP)?
The MSI needs 2x8-pin and my power supply only has 1x6+2-pin and 1x6-pin. Would an adapter be enough? Would I have enough power for my hard drives (1xSSD and 2xHDD)?
Thanks!
Would I be OK using this MSI GTX 770 with my current power supply (FirePower ModXStream Pro 700MXSP)?
The MSI needs 2x8-pin and my power supply only has 1x6+2-pin and 1x6-pin. Would an adapter be enough? Would I have enough power for my hard drives (1xSSD and 2xHDD)?
Thanks!
Here is the motherboard I'm looking at buying.
It's also a general, amazon-like, site that I might buy some of the other parts from. I went to a few stores in my city and got them to make up a list with their prices, as well as from an acquaintance who has a computer hardware store himself. So depending on things I might just buy the parts piece by piece from various locations to get the best price.
Ally1987
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I don't know what picture you're looking at. The official specifications say 158.5mm height, which is usually rounded up to 159mm or 160mm when talking about the 212 Evo in general.
That image is from the bottom of the official product page for the 212 Evo. You can also click on "specs" to see numerical stats.
Does it not do that in slot 1 for sure? Web browsers and video players can and do use the GPU for hardware acceleration. And what CPU cooler do you have that interferes with the graphics card?
If possible, I would recommend you keep it in the first/uppermost slot, that is usually the fastest slot for motherboards. This screenshot is from page 1-13 of your motherboard manual, it says the second PCI-E x16 slot is limited to PCI-E 2.0. While that's not a bottleneck for most graphics cards, it isn't the fastest slot either. Studies by HardOCP and Guru3D have shown that PCI-E 2.0 x16 will result in slightly less performance than running in PCI-E 3.0 x16.
I have Noctua NH D15 cooler. I putted the card in slot #3, and that did solve my problem.
Hey thanks I was actually considering that one but I think I found a better option that will allow room for my Ram without having to buy a new set of low profile ones.
Absolutely awful value.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($248.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170N-Gaming 5 Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX200 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Silverstone RVZ01B Mini ITX Desktop Case ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Silverstone 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($117.99 @ Directron)
Total: $880.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-16 17:15 EST-0500
Yeah, the adapter will be fine. It has two 12V rails @ 25A each. I'd assume each PCI-E connector is connected to a separate one.
Thagomizer
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Thanks for the response! Holy shit at the Kingston thing, that's pretty fucking ballsy.
Now, assuming I want to stay with my original case (I am going to be a bit stubborn on this because I really want that case), what would you recommend for an ATX board, or does it not matter if I put a MicroATX mobo in there? I know you can use MicroATX in a full case, but it is better to use an ATX board for any reason?
Also, even though liquid cooling isn't needed, I still want something beefier than a stock CPU cooler because my house gets very hot in the summer. What would you recommend?
Check your Nvidia optimus settings and whitelist the game in it if you have to.
Thanks!
Search for Nvidia Optimus it is a program that automatically disables your dedicated GPU when its not needed to conserve battery life. If a game isn't automatically using your dedicated GPU you need to add iy to a list of games that are allowed too.
What do you mean by "it's being tested"? Also it's not like they arrive DOA, but rather that a large amount of Seagate HDDs fail within the first 2 years.
Honestly, I don't think that's true. Also your comparison list is quite unfair, considering that you left out the GPU, Oculus and OS. I wouldn't call it that much worse value than other pre-builts.
That's because I left out GPU choice.
980 Ti + Win License + Oculus = Slightly less than the ASUS bundle in the link with better everything.
With a 980, it's $200 less with better everything.
Change it to a non-ITX build, and it'd be ~$150 less than what I quoted.
The previous gen ASUS systems released with that form factor had notorious heating issues as well, not sure if that's been fixed or not in the newer release. Just look at the reviews
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA57X2WJ4726&cm_re=asus_g20-_-83-220-838-_-Product
I would call it at least debatable whether a i5 6600K is better than a i7 6700. Also changing it to a larger form factor seems... well a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. But just to get back to my initial point again, it does not seem that awful a value compared to other pre-built systems. I simply took a bit of an issue with calling it "awful" value as that seems a bit sensationalist language and wanted to point that out. But granted, if you were to take potential issues like a lack of cooling or operating noise into account this might still be an apt choice of word(s). But just by specs, which was what you initially pointed out, I feel you used way too harsh language.
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