Celcius
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Yep, just make sure you're overclocked. Which heatsink do you have?
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Yep, just make sure you're overclocked. Which heatsink do you have?
Pagusas
Elden Member
Have you checked for bios updates first? Many times Gpu incompatibilities are fixed that way. I've had strange things like my old sound blaster xfi not working until I got a bios update.
My bios is up to date, the last update was back at 2013... It seems weird since its pretty recent anyway, but checking around hp forums seems like a regular problem with new gpus.
link to hp forum about the mobo problem
Just ordered an Asus ROG STRIX 1070 OC. Gonna be fun to replace my 7950. Also, my first time going green... I really wanted to wait for AMD but i had $400 budgeted for gfx. Perhaps I will return to team red someday.
Now to replace one of my aging 1tb WD blacks with a 5tb black... It has been clicking here and there a bit more than it should.
I guess I had better save up for a Vive now, haha!
Now to replace one of my aging 1tb WD blacks with a 5tb black... It has been clicking here and there a bit more than it should.
I guess I had better save up for a Vive now, haha!
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
okay so i think what my issues are coming down is to overclocking, but i'm unsure.
main question: is it possible for overclocking a CPU to affect whether or not a GPU keeps working?
I would guess a bad/incorrect overclocking would make the whole system unstable anyway. I used the "Optimal" setting in the ASUS bios but after about 12 hours of no issues i began having the GPU turning off again -- temps seemed normal whenever i was monitoring them. i set it on to Normal, now so i'm going to see how long it takes for the same issue to happen.
i'm almost to the point of just going and buy a cheap nvidia card to swap in and see if the same issue my current card is having.
edit: welp literally after i posted this, gpu stopped again. trying one more setting and then gonna just take this thing out and buy another gpu tomorrow.
edit2: i was reading stuff about what happens when a PSU is going bad, and according to an AMD help page i found i'm experience all of the things it says. I guess I will try to swap out the power supply with a new one.
edit3: since my PSU is modular, can I get a new modular PSU and just use the same cables without having to rewire everything?
main question: is it possible for overclocking a CPU to affect whether or not a GPU keeps working?
I would guess a bad/incorrect overclocking would make the whole system unstable anyway. I used the "Optimal" setting in the ASUS bios but after about 12 hours of no issues i began having the GPU turning off again -- temps seemed normal whenever i was monitoring them. i set it on to Normal, now so i'm going to see how long it takes for the same issue to happen.
i'm almost to the point of just going and buy a cheap nvidia card to swap in and see if the same issue my current card is having.
edit: welp literally after i posted this, gpu stopped again. trying one more setting and then gonna just take this thing out and buy another gpu tomorrow.
edit2: i was reading stuff about what happens when a PSU is going bad, and according to an AMD help page i found i'm experience all of the things it says. I guess I will try to swap out the power supply with a new one.
edit3: since my PSU is modular, can I get a new modular PSU and just use the same cables without having to rewire everything?
Nostremitus
Member
Damn, that sucks...
That's the motherboard from the 2500K/2600K gen, right? It may actually be easier to upgrade to something more recent than find a good quality mobo for that socket.
Yup 2600k, what do you mean by getting more recent? A new cpu and mobo??? They told me this mobo should work, would that be ok?? I dont have huge budget atm...So I plan to keep my old i7 2600
Thx for the help btw man you've been pretty helpful
camequipped
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Forgive the dumb question: I'm looking to upgrade from a 970 to a 1080. Will a 1080 fit in the same space as a 970, or should I do some compatibility checks? I have a Gigabyte windforce 970 in this case.
Also, it looks like there's a few different makes. I've never really had a good sense for which ones to go for. Which of these seems reasonable? Aesthetics are not a concern. https://www.pccasegear.com/category/193_1828/graphics-cards/geforce-gtx-1080
Thanks as always.
If you have a look under the tech specs, the clearance for the s340 is 334mm with a rad and 364mm without rad. That should accommodate most cards if not all that's currently on the market.
In terms of which card to pick, its always down to personal preference I suppose. I generally go by these steps below.
aesthetics > overclocking? - cooling > price
I went with an EVGA FTW but have heard good things about MSI and ASUS for the 1080 cards.
This might help.
http://videocardz.com/60496/custom-geforce-gtx-1080-roundup
Nostremitus
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You know, I was thinking about when I was looking for a Z77 board. I have a 2500K and my Z77X-UP7 is going out. I can't justify paying z77 prices for such an old processor, so I'm waiting and will upgrade everything either later this year or early next year.
If yours isn't a K and you don't need to overclock, then by all means. That one supports the PCI Express 3.0 standard. I'm guessing your old one didn't, right?
Edit: Also, no problem, though I feel that I wasn't overly helpful. I live in Korea, so I'm up when most everyone else is asleep.
CrankyKong
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Any advantage either of these motherboards have over the other?
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/32870/asrock-z170-pro4-motherboard
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/32861/gigabyte-z170-hd3-motherboard
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/32870/asrock-z170-pro4-motherboard
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/32861/gigabyte-z170-hd3-motherboard
Nostremitus
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The ASrock has a 10 phase power design, the Gigabyte has 6. So the ASrock may provide better overclocking potential.
Gigabyte has more PCIE slots, but only one is actually x16. Two are x16 slots throttled to x4, and the fourth is x1.
The ASrock has two PCIE they are both X16 speed.
Honestly, since they're about the same price, I'd go with the ASrock.
I've used both Gigabyte and ASrock boards... no real issues.
I had a bad BIOS update on an ASrock board once using the internet update. Their customer service helped me out and I was able to reinstall the BIOS with a USB drive... They offered to send me a new BIOS chip for free if it didn't work.
For most games the difference could be a frame or two, but some games like Fallout 4 run noticeably better. If you can get the faster RAM for roughly the same price then there's no reason to go slower.
Edit:
This was pretty good
http://www.overclock.net/t/1487162/...affect-fps-during-high-cpu-overhead-scenarios
But this test tops out at 2400, but one would assume it would scale accordingly.
disastermouse
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Advice please:
My 2011 iMac has bitten the dust. I haven't been happy with Apple for a while now and think I can get better value from a PC and a gaming PC could be about the same as a new iMac. Digital Storm has an AIO called Aura that I was thinking about getting instead of an iMac since I don't have a monitor.
Is there a better deal? Is it stupid to buy instead of build? How much will I suffer going from Mac to PC?
My 2011 iMac has bitten the dust. I haven't been happy with Apple for a while now and think I can get better value from a PC and a gaming PC could be about the same as a new iMac. Digital Storm has an AIO called Aura that I was thinking about getting instead of an iMac since I don't have a monitor.
Is there a better deal? Is it stupid to buy instead of build? How much will I suffer going from Mac to PC?
Nostremitus
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I don't know the Aura's specs, but you can usually get better parts for the price by building...
How does the Aura stack up to the build guides in the OP?
I wouldn't personally say that you'd suffer by going PC, you'd get more freedom and a lot more games available to you. The only suffering would be learning the OS. That said, understand that there will be a learning curve. My wife goes back and forth between her MacBook Pro and PC without issue, though.
disastermouse
Banned
My first two computers were Windows. The last full Windows computer I used was XP. I have used Windows 7 on a Boot Camp partition, but only for Steam games and I didn't really feel comfortable with things like uninstalls. I've heard that Windows 10 is a pretty big step up and Apple quality is not what it was when I started using Macs.
This is the Aura:
https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1422479
I'd spec higher with a 1080 and 2 SSD drives.
The only software I need to use is Scrivener and Snowmint Budget and they're both available for Windows.
CrankyKong
Member
Thanks
Sniffynose
Member
If it's the same brand and type maybe, but make sure the pinouts are the same before attempting, just because it fits doesn't necessarily mean it will be safe.
I'd hate for you to blow the whole PC over not swapping cables =(
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
you're right, its better to be safe than sorry.
this whole thing has been a big pain in the ass. dampener on my mood the past week trying to figure it all out and troubleshoot.
Thanks for the advice, I don't think I can manage $250 at the moment, so I'll jus stick with my current GPU, it's only a year old and it handles most indie games very well and the big games I'll just get them on my PS4 ....... I'll save up and but that card you recommend next year.
Thanks to everyone who gave me advice
ISee
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Old 2600k and 3770k hold up extremely well, especially when compared to their i5 counterparts.
Witcher 3 can be very heavy on the CPU (my old overclocked 3570k was often enough bottlenecking my 980 in certain situations).
The Titan X here is a Maxwell one, so performance is close to a gtx 1070 (oc).
91.7 average fps for a 3770k (stock clock)
89.8 average fps for a 6600k (stock clock)
100.7 average fps for a 6700k (4.6ghz oc)
99.6 average fps for a 6700k (stock clock)
68 average fps for a 2500k (stock clock)
As you can see the 3770k (@3.9ghz) is able to run as good as a 6600k (@3.9ghz), so yes performance wise it's still very good (especially overclocked) and people already on 'old' i7s have no real reason to upgrade if they are looking to increase their gaming performance.
But upgrading to one? I'd rather buy a new 6600k than a used 3770k. Because of the newer architecture, ddr4 support, usb 3.1 support, m2 socket for future upgrades, warranty, you have no idea how well the old owner treated his 3770k (it was most probably overclocked and you don't how how relentless he was).
But that's just my opinion. Performance wise a 3770k is still up to date.
I did it recently. Took advantage of these low RAM prices. Better safe than sorry.
Seeing how DE:MD goobles up RAM, I think I made a good decision.
Looks like it is time then. My mobo is 2 slot only, so a brand new 2x8GB is the only way.
Ever since I sent back my previous ROG Swift (which I think was the PG279Q? It was a 16:9 1440p G-Sync IPS panel) due to some color uniformity problems, I've been itching to get another one because I want that sweet G-Sync action back in my life.
The monitor I keep coming back to eyeing is the PG348Q, which is an ultra-wide 3440 x 1440 curved IPS. Besides the price (which would be more than I've ever paid for a monitor before), though, what I wonder about is my 980 Ti. I don't really want to drop the cash to both replace the monitor and upgrade to a 1080 at the same time, but I'm concerned a single 980 Ti won't be quite enough to drive that resolution.
So I go back and forth between getting the GPU upgrade first - which I could probably still appreciate on my current monitor as well as improving my VR experience - or getting the monitor first and grabbing a GPU upgrade when the 1080 Ti inevitably lands within probably the next ~6-8 months.
Any opinions on which course there might be more prudent? I don't keep track of monitors that much, would it be a bad time to buy right now in that price range? The GPU upgrade is cheaper, but I feel like it would be a more marginal upgrade until I actually had the monitor that better justified it, while the monitor would probably be more of a substantial upgrade but might in turn make me feel the need to upgrade the GPU to get better use out of it anyway.
The monitor I keep coming back to eyeing is the PG348Q, which is an ultra-wide 3440 x 1440 curved IPS. Besides the price (which would be more than I've ever paid for a monitor before), though, what I wonder about is my 980 Ti. I don't really want to drop the cash to both replace the monitor and upgrade to a 1080 at the same time, but I'm concerned a single 980 Ti won't be quite enough to drive that resolution.
So I go back and forth between getting the GPU upgrade first - which I could probably still appreciate on my current monitor as well as improving my VR experience - or getting the monitor first and grabbing a GPU upgrade when the 1080 Ti inevitably lands within probably the next ~6-8 months.
Any opinions on which course there might be more prudent? I don't keep track of monitors that much, would it be a bad time to buy right now in that price range? The GPU upgrade is cheaper, but I feel like it would be a more marginal upgrade until I actually had the monitor that better justified it, while the monitor would probably be more of a substantial upgrade but might in turn make me feel the need to upgrade the GPU to get better use out of it anyway.
I've completely redone my cable management. Still not perfect but way better than before.
Still have to remove the dust somehow and I need a filter for the bottom fan.
I still have a problem with the the GPU being so large, that the air impounds in the lower area of the case and I get 79° on the GPU in load scenarios, that's why I installed the bottom fan to begin with. There is also one intake fan on the front. Any idea how to get it cooler?
Still have to remove the dust somehow and I need a filter for the bottom fan.
I still have a problem with the the GPU being so large, that the air impounds in the lower area of the case and I get 79° on the GPU in load scenarios, that's why I installed the bottom fan to begin with. There is also one intake fan on the front. Any idea how to get it cooler?
hooijdonk17
Member
Dear GAF, decided to get a PC that should hold for moderate gaming, have right now in mind starcraft 2, some WOW.. well basically all Blizzard games, maybe Star Citizen when it comes out. I'm looking for a quiet, non expensive PC that will also be small enough that i could take it with me in a couple of years in a suitcase.
I had this in mind:
*Case: Fractal Design Node 202 -79 euros-
*Motherboard: Gigabyte Ultra Durable H170N-WIFI Motherboard Intel Core i3/i5/i7/Pentium/Celeron Socket 1151 Intel H170 Express Mini-ITX SATA/RAID 2 x Intel Gigabit LAN/Wi-Fi (Integrated Intel HD Graphics) -124 euros-
*Memory: X2 Crucial 4GB CL16 DDR4 DIMM Memory Module -36 euros-
*Storgae: OCZ Toshiba Trion 150 Series 2.5-Inch 240 GB SATA 15nm Triple Level Cell Solid State Drive -65 euros-
*Graphics: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950 SuperSC ACX 2.0 2 GB GDDR5 Graphics Card -175 euros-
*Processor: Intel Core 6M Cache,3.30 GHz Processor (i5-6600) (Turbo Boost 3.9 GHz) -218 euros-
*Power Supply:Corsair SF450 450W SFX - power supply units (100 - 240 V, 24-pin ATX, 47 - 63 Hz, SFX, 80 PLUS Gold, PC) -88 euros-
Totals to almost 800 euros
Thoughts?
I had this in mind:
*Case: Fractal Design Node 202 -79 euros-
*Motherboard: Gigabyte Ultra Durable H170N-WIFI Motherboard Intel Core i3/i5/i7/Pentium/Celeron Socket 1151 Intel H170 Express Mini-ITX SATA/RAID 2 x Intel Gigabit LAN/Wi-Fi (Integrated Intel HD Graphics) -124 euros-
*Memory: X2 Crucial 4GB CL16 DDR4 DIMM Memory Module -36 euros-
*Storgae: OCZ Toshiba Trion 150 Series 2.5-Inch 240 GB SATA 15nm Triple Level Cell Solid State Drive -65 euros-
*Graphics: EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950 SuperSC ACX 2.0 2 GB GDDR5 Graphics Card -175 euros-
*Processor: Intel Core 6M Cache,3.30 GHz Processor (i5-6600) (Turbo Boost 3.9 GHz) -218 euros-
*Power Supply:Corsair SF450 450W SFX - power supply units (100 - 240 V, 24-pin ATX, 47 - 63 Hz, SFX, 80 PLUS Gold, PC) -88 euros-
Totals to almost 800 euros
Thoughts?
hooijdonk17
Member
For the price you are paying for the GTX 950 definitely get an RX 470.
Corsair Carbide 200R
Yup. You could drop the i6-6600 to the i5-6500 to save some money and I'd just get a single 8GB stick of standard 2133MHz DDR4. Then get a 4GB RX 470.
Thanks, why do you advise the RX over the GTX1060?
So before my new build next year, I'm planning on picking up new peripherals along the way. I've been using a Razer Deathadder, Microsoft Sidewinder X4 and a Samsung 24" something or other basic 1080p screen for 4 years.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Monitor: Asus ROG SWIFT PG248Q 24.0" 180Hz Monitor (£399.99 @ CCL Computers)
Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard (£149.99)
Mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum RGB Optical Mouse (£55.00)
Total: £604.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-31 12:47 BST+0100
What are people's thoughts on these? The ROG Swift might get upgraded to the Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q. The G502 might be swapped out for the Razer Chroma.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Monitor: Asus ROG SWIFT PG248Q 24.0" 180Hz Monitor (£399.99 @ CCL Computers)
Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard (£149.99)
Mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum RGB Optical Mouse (£55.00)
Total: £604.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-31 12:47 BST+0100
What are people's thoughts on these? The ROG Swift might get upgraded to the Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q. The G502 might be swapped out for the Razer Chroma.
If you can shell out the extra money, go for a Nano S or a Define S.
Nostremitus
Member
I recreated the "Best" build...
$2364 vs $3099
You get better cooling, faster RAM, and probably better components all around... depending on the brands they choose, the only downside is that it isn't an all-in-one PC.
Plus side, if your monitor goes out, it's easier to replace...
And that's without some of the more knowledgeable guys on here tearing this build down for more cost effective alternatives that give just as good performance.
Also, you can buy Windows keys from resellers for cheaper than the listed price.
Personally, I'd go with a higher refresh rate monitor, but i was going for feature parity with the "Best"build of the Aura.
It's cheaper. Performance wise they appear to be in the same bracket.
It keeps the price down near the 800 mark - using a GTX 1060 would be a large jump in cost, and whilst the performance is superior it's not really worth it for Blizard titles.
I'm very new in PSU stuff. I bought EVGA GQ 750w power supply from Amazon few weeks ago. I was wondering if this thing is good enough to run i5 6600k at 4.5Ghz with ASUS Z170-A mobo and I will pair it with overclocked RX 480/GTX 1060.
Because I read in some reviews that the ripple (I'm not sure what this means) is not very good. Will this damage my hardware in the long run?
Link to the reviews:
TomsHardware
JonnyGuru
Any help will be appreciated.
Because I read in some reviews that the ripple (I'm not sure what this means) is not very good. Will this damage my hardware in the long run?
Link to the reviews:
TomsHardware
JonnyGuru
Any help will be appreciated.
This is sort of the same position I was in before my build this week. I had a Corsair PSU with pretty bad reviews. I felt that going with a good PSU would put me in a better state of mind so I bought a EVGA G2. The wattage is fine for a 480/1060.
Gumbie
Member
Rock that LGA 2011 bro. That Xeon is still a pretty beastly processor and with more games being optimized for multiple threads those 6 cores could come in handy.
EricGRIT09
Neo Member
Are you sure that bottom fan is blowing in/up? Looks to me like those blades are shaped in such a way that you are exhausting out the bottom of your case - not going to work so well. Get that thing blowing nice cool air to the bottom of your GPU.
Sweet that's what I figured. Should be able to recoup most of my costs by selling my old CPU/MOBO/GPU/PSU combo.
Buying new is for suckas! I'm a Xeon kid 4 life now.
Xeons no longer work on consumer boards
Damn.
I'm a Xeon kid until the upgrade path is no longer viable now.
Wonder if anyone is experiencing this issue with Windows 10 apps.
After roughly 5 minutes of idling, Windows will bring up the following three apps into Background processes, visible in Task Manager:
Calculator
Movies & TV
Settings
These are all Windows 10 apps. I can have my system on for 30 minutes and they won't come up, but it's only after I'm idling that they finally show. And when they do, my GPU stops downclocking. Ending all three processes allows my gpu to resume idling. This is 100% repeatable for me.
I've determined the reason WHY this is happening, at least: I have my EVGA 1070 FTW set to "prefer maximum performance" in Nvidia Control Panel. Normally this isn't an issue for me, as I am fine with it running full speed when I have any 3D apps open. But in this instance, these apps aren't even active. As far as I know, they are simply sitting in RAM.
From some reading, I believe a service called SuperFetch is calling these apps up, as stopping the service prevents these apps from showing up in Background processes. However, I've read on several sites that disabling this service is ill-advised.
Is anyone else experiencing this? I obviously want my GPU to downclock when not in use, so it's frustrating that these three simple apps are preventing me from doing so. And I don't want to run my gpu globally at the adaptive setting, because then I'll have to make a profile for each individual game I play. I'm lazy, so that doesn't work for me! Any help is appreciated.
After roughly 5 minutes of idling, Windows will bring up the following three apps into Background processes, visible in Task Manager:
Calculator
Movies & TV
Settings
These are all Windows 10 apps. I can have my system on for 30 minutes and they won't come up, but it's only after I'm idling that they finally show. And when they do, my GPU stops downclocking. Ending all three processes allows my gpu to resume idling. This is 100% repeatable for me.
I've determined the reason WHY this is happening, at least: I have my EVGA 1070 FTW set to "prefer maximum performance" in Nvidia Control Panel. Normally this isn't an issue for me, as I am fine with it running full speed when I have any 3D apps open. But in this instance, these apps aren't even active. As far as I know, they are simply sitting in RAM.
From some reading, I believe a service called SuperFetch is calling these apps up, as stopping the service prevents these apps from showing up in Background processes. However, I've read on several sites that disabling this service is ill-advised.
Is anyone else experiencing this? I obviously want my GPU to downclock when not in use, so it's frustrating that these three simple apps are preventing me from doing so. And I don't want to run my gpu globally at the adaptive setting, because then I'll have to make a profile for each individual game I play. I'm lazy, so that doesn't work for me! Any help is appreciated.
It's running at max 1000 rpm so I can't say for sure if it's assembled correctly but I think it's correct. When I'm hovering my hand above it it feels like it's blowing air up.
edit: I think you are right. doh. Have to check when I'm home.
edit2: of course you are right. I feel pretty stupid right now ^^
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