chaosblade
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If you aren't planning to overclock you could replace the CPU and motherboard in the build you quoted with a i5 6500 and B150 motherboard.
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If you aren't planning to overclock you could replace the CPU and motherboard in the build you quoted with a i5 6500 and B150 motherboard.
lostsupper
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Haven't used an optical drive since 2005. You'll be fine.
This should work:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170-GAMING 3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 8GB NITRO+ Video Card ($268.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.89 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $704.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-21 22:51 EDT-0400
Yeah I'll probably stay away from overclocking, sounds like something I can easily mess up. Thanks for the recommendations, I'll check those out
Thanks!
jfoul
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Installed a new cpu/mobo yesterday. Now I'm in Win10 Pro re-activation hell with Microsoft. The customer support for this is absolutely horrible. The automated service of the past was so much easier.
Spent over an hour on the phone, and through chat which resulted in wasted time. I just ended the session after the agent asked to remote desktop into my PC. No thanks,
Spent over an hour on the phone, and through chat which resulted in wasted time. I just ended the session after the agent asked to remote desktop into my PC. No thanks,
So, found a 3570k locally for 105€.
All in all I would save 250€ when buying the used CPU and DDR3 RAM instead of new CPU, Board and DDR4 Ram.
Any advise on this and my post above?
Thanks!
The 2500k would stay in the office and the 3570k would replace the i3-2100t in the living room.
I am just asking myself if it would make more sense to sell the HTPC components in the living room as a bundle (board, ram, cpu) and buy all three things new.
PS: Oh wow, I just left the junior member status behind.
DonMigs85
Member
Oh in that case the 3570K is a big jump over that i3.I think it's worth it if your target is 60FPS gaming for the next 2-3 years.Thanks!
The 2500k would stay in the office and the 3570k would replace the i3-2100t in the living room.
I am just asking myself if it would make more sense to sell the HTPC components in the living room as a bundle (board, ram, cpu) and buy all three things new.
PS: Oh wow, I just left the junior member status behind.
Thanks. Sounds like it might not be worth getting.
EVGA has better customer support
EVGA.
Better customer support and they have a step up program. Not sure about Gigabyte on that. But, you can go to a 1080 within 90 days of purchase for the difference in price if you want.
After getting disappointed by the PS4 PRO, I am looking to build a PC console to take advantage of the eco system. I would like something that would provide better than console performance for the next 4 years (so it needs to be better than Scorpio).
This is the system I had in mind. Do you think it will be powerful enough.
CPU Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor £199.99
Cooler Noctua NH-L9i 33.8 CFM CPU £31
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-H170N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard £109.99
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory £84.98
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive £84.99
StorageWestern Digital Blue 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive £76.95
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB G1 £268.47
Case Fractal Design: Node 202 HTPC Case £69.99
Power Supply: Corsair SF 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition (2-Pack) 62.7 CFM 120mm Fans £25.48
Total: £952.82
Also can someone recommend a small form factor build for indie games
This is the system I had in mind. Do you think it will be powerful enough.
CPU Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor £199.99
Cooler Noctua NH-L9i 33.8 CFM CPU £31
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-H170N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard £109.99
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory £84.98
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive £84.99
StorageWestern Digital Blue 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive £76.95
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB G1 £268.47
Case Fractal Design: Node 202 HTPC Case £69.99
Power Supply: Corsair SF 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition (2-Pack) 62.7 CFM 120mm Fans £25.48
Total: £952.82
Also can someone recommend a small form factor build for indie games
Strafebogey
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She's done.
Core i7 5930K overclocked to 4.6Ghz, 32GB Corsair Dominator Pro DDR4-3200 RAM, dual Nvidia Titan X Pascals in SLI overclocked to 2050Mhz core clock/10800Mhz memory clock, Samsung 950 Pro M2 NVME with read speeds clocking in at 2.5GB/s. Temperature or CPU and GPUs never exceeding 60C during 3840x2160 gaming on Acer Predator G-Sync 4K 60Hz XB280HK, although I'm planning to gaming on the Asus ROG SWIFT 3440x1440 100Hz G-Sync PG348Q 34inch ultrawide monitor.
Core i7 5930K overclocked to 4.6Ghz, 32GB Corsair Dominator Pro DDR4-3200 RAM, dual Nvidia Titan X Pascals in SLI overclocked to 2050Mhz core clock/10800Mhz memory clock, Samsung 950 Pro M2 NVME with read speeds clocking in at 2.5GB/s. Temperature or CPU and GPUs never exceeding 60C during 3840x2160 gaming on Acer Predator G-Sync 4K 60Hz XB280HK, although I'm planning to gaming on the Asus ROG SWIFT 3440x1440 100Hz G-Sync PG348Q 34inch ultrawide monitor.
She's done.
Core i7 5930K overclocked to 4.6Ghz, 32GB Corsair Dominator Pro DDR4-3200 RAM, dual Nvidia Titan X Pascals in SLI overclocked to 2050Mhz core clock/10800Mhz memory clock, Samsung 950 Pro M2 NVME with read speeds clocking in at 2.5GB/s. Temperature or CPU and GPUs never exceeding 60C during 3840x2160 gaming on Acer Predator G-Sync 4K 60Hz XB280HK, although I'm planning to gaming on the Asus ROG SWIFT 3440x1440 100Hz G-Sync PG348Q 34inch ultrawide monitor.
Looks awesome. Any pic(s) of the complete setup? I'm a bit jealous.
Strafebogey
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She's coming home next week. Finalizing overclocks and software updates/maintenance. Will post once she's home.
Quite a few things here, that Mobo wont support 3200mhz ram, you only need 2400mhz anyway. HDD is expensive for a 5400rpm. PSU needs more watts. GPU needs to be mITX if you're adding 3.5" drives.
Try this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£210.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler (£31.98 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard (£116.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£69.46 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£84.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Mini ITX OC Video Card (£232.38 @ More Computers)
Power Supply: Silverstone 500W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply (£77.16 @ CCL Computers)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition (2-Pack) 62.7 CFM 120mm Fans (£25.48 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Node 202 Case (£69.99)
Total: £960.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-22 13:14 BST+0100
This will run most 1080p games on ultra all day.
Thanks. Will this be more powerful than the new ps4 pro or Scorpio console
By a bit. The PS4 pro is quoted at 4.2 Tflops and the 1060 is 4.4 Tflops. Scorpio is 6Tflops so it lags a little behind that. But it depends on what you want. If you just want 1080p this will run Ultra settings at over 60fps easily. Now if you want 4K/30fps then you need to bump to a 1070 or 1080 GPU.
Rodney McKay
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With my birthday around the corner I've been looking at upgrading my old GTX 660ti with a GTX 1070.
I have a i5 3570K (overclocked a bit), so will the 1070 be a substantial upgrade for me? I'll upgrade my CPU and motherboard eventually, but I can only afford one or the other at the moment.
I'll only be doing 1080p gaming for the foreseeable future and don't care about over 60fps framerates. But I do want a good enough card to handle VR when I eventually get into that (probably not for a while, whenever a second, or cheaper wave of hardware comes out).
I have a i5 3570K (overclocked a bit), so will the 1070 be a substantial upgrade for me? I'll upgrade my CPU and motherboard eventually, but I can only afford one or the other at the moment.
I'll only be doing 1080p gaming for the foreseeable future and don't care about over 60fps framerates. But I do want a good enough card to handle VR when I eventually get into that (probably not for a while, whenever a second, or cheaper wave of hardware comes out).
Just 1080p at 60fps. Thanks for your help
V1LÆM
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i have a benq rl2455hm and i'm happy with it. a lot of people complain about it looking washed out but if you spend time to calibrate it then you'll be fine.
1070 seems a bit waste there if you are just gonna game at 1080p/60hz, unless you downsample all that extra power etc.
You could get like gtx1060 now and upgrade to something big when you want to VR.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Do you work at a shop or a PC building company? Beautiful work, though not a fan of the side sticker given your cards inside look so much better than that Titan pic.
Question about those hard tubs: How does one do maintenance on that water setup? Like if you want to change a GPU or upgrade the processor, looks like it would be a pain in the ass to get it out, you'd basically have to disassemble the whole water rig, is that right? Or is that planned for and ways to disconnect individual areas without spilling water everywhere?
That's pretty much it. Cut new tubes to fit the new cable runs. You can get away with draining some of the loop, but usually it's worth it to just change out the water at that point anyway.
One great feature of going full water cooling is I'm less likely to change my system now due to the pain in the ass of swapping out components.
Hello Gaf-PC Meisters!
I'm thinking to buy a desktop PC and a monitor soon so I need you help my friends to get the right one. I know how to build a PC so it's not a problem.
Your Current Specs: HP 17" G72 laptop
Budget: Under 1000 euros (Finland)
Main Use: 3-4, School Work, Visual Studio&Netbeans programming, 3D Modelling (Sketchup, Blender, Unity), video editing (Corel Videostudio), some gaming.
Monitor Resolution: I'm buying also a monitor, it has to be 1920x1080 fullHD 24" min. Price range for this should be somewhere 200. If under, thats better.
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: I'm interested also PC games. I'm a console gamer nowadays, but PC gaming is a whole new world.
Is 30FPS acceptable? 60? 144? How important is PhysX / SuperSampling / CUDA to you?: Not so important, surprise me
When will you build?: End of the year maybe
Will you be overclocking?: No, too risky for me
And yes I would like Intel processor and SSD.
I'm thinking to buy a desktop PC and a monitor soon so I need you help my friends to get the right one. I know how to build a PC so it's not a problem.
Your Current Specs: HP 17" G72 laptop
Budget: Under 1000 euros (Finland)
Main Use: 3-4, School Work, Visual Studio&Netbeans programming, 3D Modelling (Sketchup, Blender, Unity), video editing (Corel Videostudio), some gaming.
Monitor Resolution: I'm buying also a monitor, it has to be 1920x1080 fullHD 24" min. Price range for this should be somewhere 200. If under, thats better.
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: I'm interested also PC games. I'm a console gamer nowadays, but PC gaming is a whole new world.
Is 30FPS acceptable? 60? 144? How important is PhysX / SuperSampling / CUDA to you?: Not so important, surprise me
When will you build?: End of the year maybe
Will you be overclocking?: No, too risky for me
And yes I would like Intel processor and SSD.
Strafebogey
Member
That is not a sticker. That is airbrushed. I've done an Asus red theme before, changing to green for the Green Team.
I'm with a local outfit called Lucro PC.
There is a drain port at the back of the case, at the lowest point of the custom liquid loop, where the liquid coolant will drain out by gravity, or using the two coolant pumps. Liquid coolants dont need maintenance as it does before, coolants now have anti-algae buildup solution in them, and once the coolant has drained out of the drain port, you just use a squeeze bottle with a narrow nozzle to add in diluted concentration of distilled water and vinegar into the reservoir via its top entry port to cycle that concentration to clear out the liquid coolant inside. A day's worth of rinsing and draining out will clear whatever coolant that is left inside. I use pastel-based liquid coolant, and because of the thicker looking nature of the pastel coolant, whatever excess liquid coolant of differing color I have used before will dissolve into the new pastel mix and get color-neutralized.
It's no different than you blowing off dust and doing spring cleanup on your rig with compressed air and removing your cards to get into the clingy dust bunnies.
As for how long do I use the liquid coolant in the loop, that depends. I dont place my rig next to the window where direct sunlight will dull the PETG tubing, or leave the rig unattended for a long time that sediment of the coolant color dye starts building up. The rule of thumb is 6 months, but I got away with 1 year from my last build before this, because I was using a color dye + distilled water mix instead of pastel-based coolant. Some versions of coolants are pre-mixed, all you have to do is just dunk it into the reservoir and turn on the pumps to pipe it thoroughly into the loop. I like to play around with the pastel concentrate so that I get the right mixture ratio and look.
If all of these sounds a little intimidating or a hassle to do, All-In-One (AIO) liquid coolers are good enough these days to provide the cooling and performance you need to overclock. I'm more into "matching the look with the performance" line of thought. It's a bit of a shame that rigs gets assembled with huge heatsinks and aircoolers with rigs sounding like jet engines taking off just to get the performance you need, not to mention aesthetically unappealing (to me personally) with ribbed tubing and wires dangling all around. I should know, I have a secondary rig for VR with an ID-Cooling FrostFlow 240L AIO liquid cooler and an aircooled 1080FE that I had to keep the fan at 80% so that I can get it acoustically contained inside the Phanteks P900S case it's in.
In short, it's a personal preference. Some don't care enough about how it looks as long as the performance is there. That's where the AIB card vendors come in, they're factory pre-overclocked and ran with low RPM silent fans on them that gets the job done (provided you have positive airflow in the case to exhaust the hot air these cards are producing). I prefer the minimalistic look of a waterblock on these cards, and my own determination of how much I can overclock these instead of relying on pre-OCed settings. Not really into the "aggresive" looks of these pre-OCed cards, and when the manufacturers are turning to RGB lighting as this year's "feature", I groaned loudly.
Veritigo_X
Member
What price are people thinking for that 1TB Samsung 960 Pro that was just announced? $500?
Edit: Thought the pricing started at $300 for some reason. It'll probably be a little more than $500.
Edit: Thought the pricing started at $300 for some reason. It'll probably be a little more than $500.
Veritigo_X
Member
Pricing from the slide at the announcement:
Ah cool, didn't realized they released pricing yet. $629 is a little more than I was willing to spend... might go for the EVO instead. If performance of the EVO is equal or better than the current 950 Pro I'll be happy since I was soooo close to picking one up last week.
opticalmace
Member
For sure.
Pricing from the slide at the announcement:
Damn... that's actually better pricing than the 950 when it was first released. The one on My PC is the actual OS. Are there any M.2 expansions that allow for 2 of these to be connected to the mobo?
I know they make them for PCI-e slots, what I need is one that goes into the m.2 slot and gives you more m.2 ports. Seems like there's nothing out there like that.
I can't use a PCI-e m.2 expansion card becuase I have a slim case.
ehead
Member
Pricing from the slide at the announcement:
Oh snap! Glad I held out with the M.2 SSDs. This will definitely be the next addition to my pc.
Here's the Ars Technica write up: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/samsung-ssd-960-pro-evo-price-specs-release-date/
"...the 960 Pro offers a blistering peak read speed of 3.5GB/s and a peak write speed of 2.1GB/s, while the Evo offers 3.2GB/s and 1.9GB/s respectively. The 950 topped out at a mere 2.5GB/s and 1.5GB/s. The 960 Pro and the 960 Evo are due for release in October. The Pro starts at $329 for 512GB of storage, rising up to a cool $1,299 for a 2TB version. The Evo is a little lighter on the wallet, starting at $129 for a 250GB version, rising to $479 for a 1TB version."
950 Evo: Read - 3.2GB/s Write - 1.9GB/s 250gb $129, 500gb $249, 1tb $479
960 Pro: Read - 3.5GB/s Write - 2.1GB/s [[No 250gb]], 512gb $329, 1tb $629, 2tb $1299
RebornYeti
Member
So I am looking to slowly accumulate parts for a gaming rig, and I'm having trouble finding all the parts I need to get it under $700. Is it possible to build a PC for that much? I used that PC parts picker site, but everything is going over my head lol. Hopefully this isn't an inappropriate question to ask! Thanks in advance.
EDIT: I should also go into saying that I would least like to be able to run Witcher 3 at decent settings, if at all possible.
EDIT: I should also go into saying that I would least like to be able to run Witcher 3 at decent settings, if at all possible.
Avenger54321
Member
Hey guys, what's the best version of the RX480? I was going to get the GIGABYTE version, but it seems like they botched it with the cooling for the card as reviews came in. Right now, for me it's between the MSI RX480 Gaming X 8GB and the Sapphire Radeon NITRO+ RX 480 8GB. I will be running the card with a i5-6500 with 8GBs of RAM, if that matters (will be adding another 8GBs every month). I'm not going to overclock, I just wanted one of these two cards as they have two fans besides just the one that the reference cards have and to make sure they run cool.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
The MSI card is the coolest and quietest out of the box. XFX and Asus are also supposed to be good but may require some tweaking to get running to your liking. Powercolor's is good in terms of noise, cooling, and stock performance but needs a BIOS update and is probably the worst overclocker due to poor power delivery. Nitro+ is alright, worse cooler so it runs a bit louder than the others.
HIS is also supposed to have a very good card, very similar to XFX's but uglier, cheaper, and worse fans. Seems like it may be the most reliable overclocker but also the loudest (still better than reference though).
joecanada
Member
there was someone who was in your price range just a page back , something like this would run witcher great...
pretty much exactly same as what I have but I have an EVGA SC 1060.
RebornYeti
Member
Oh cool, thanks! This helps a ton.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Given the conversion rate, I feel like that
Would also work for this fellow from the previous page, while leaving them room to spend on a monitor, give or take some minor price differences due to imports and all. At least works as a reference to work from.
Avenger54321
Member
Thanks, MSI it is then.
This should get you close:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.71 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 480 8GB Video Card ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $697.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-22 14:46 EDT-0400
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-22 14:45 EDT-0400
Sapphire is the usual go-to for AMD cards. I have a reference 480 and it runs cool, even on long stretches. Here's the aftermarket Sapphire:
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 8GB NITRO+ Video Card ($265.99 @ NCIX US)
RebornYeti
Member
I'm looking to finally get myself a pc after nearly a decade on macs (primarily to play games though maybe some dev work on it as well). Prefer to go with a mini itx or smaller case build and wanted to get thoughts on the following build:
Its under my budget but wondering if there were any suggestions for other parts etc.
Its under my budget but wondering if there were any suggestions for other parts etc.
Looks solid, wait on the M.2 (if you want the speed) because Samsung JUST announced the new 960 Pro/Evo M.2 cards to release next month.
Pagusas
Elden Member
While I'm not overly worried about price with my build, no way could I justify the price difference betweeen the Evo and Pro based off those speed differences. Would that even be noticable in real world perforamnce?
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