Thats a nice looking case. Nothing wrong with the silverstone psu. I recommend getting the modular one. I regret not doing that for mine. (Have the 450w bronze sfx in my Compacf Splash case)
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"I Need a New PC!" 2017 The Ryzing of Kaby Lake and NVMwhee!
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BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah, Patriot Viper 2133 2x8 ans I have a 500 ssd ready to go as well as a bluray optic drive
The ram Im kinda worried about...I got it a year ago but hopefully its still good.
I pre-ordered the Shift last week from the Phanteksusa store https://www.phanteksusa.com/collections/cases/products/phanteks-evolv-shift
Supposedly it ships out sometime this week.
I bought the Corsair SF600W. Reviews for it are overwhelmingly positive from what I've read. It's supposed to be very efficient and pretty quiet as the fan doesn't even spin unless under heavy load.
Pokemaniac
Member
I like the look of that part list. I think I'll look through a few things over the weekend to make sure the Linux drivers aren't a total dumpster fire before really committing to things, but I think I'll start buying stuff soon.
A few more questions:
- In terms of motherboards, I know dual M.2 is a thing I need to check for, but are there any other gotchas I should keep in mind?
- I hear thermal paste mentioned a bit, is that something I should buy separately, or will I be fine with whatever comes with the parts?
- Are there any types of parts that have a particularly high risk of being defective? Since I can't order everything at once anyway (well, I could, but I don't like using the debit card online), I'm wondering if there's anything I should specifically try to buy last in order to maximize the return window.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Usually the cooler/fan part will contain some preapplied Thermal Paste, and usually that's all you need. Preapplied in the sense that, you only have one real shot to put it onto the CPU itself in the chipset lol. And that should usually last you a couple years or so until you have to reapply it.
As for the most defective parts...I would say RAM is the biggest culprit in terms of defects. I've gotten a shitty Ramset, I know my friends have gotten shitty RAM before. Graphics Cards and CPUs tend to be pretty well made for the most part. Motherboards...I can't speak to the quality of.
It's the refresh rate of the screen, and it makes a difference if you can reach that threshold FPS wise. If you can reach over 60 fps, 75 hz is good, if you can run even higher than that, 144 hz is good. I think. I believe on this part. Take what I just said with a grain of salt.
Hmm. Thanks for the heads up. I'm struggling to decide If I should get a 75 or 144Hz monitor. I'm not sure if my build would make the best use out of a 144Hz.
Here's my build btw if anyone has any recommendations or advice build wise:
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah your PC would benefit most out of a 144hz, because you would be running the highest fidelity stuff out there~
Oh, lol. You can tell I literally have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to this stuff.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
1) The things I would pay attention to when looking at a motherboard
- A few Z170 boards used DDR3. I really doubt that any Z370 boards will, but this would be the ultimate issue.
- Ports to connect displays to the iGPU. Not needed with a GPU, but in case you were testing and your testing monitor or TV only takes display port and HDMI, or DVI.
- Overclocking features and their software for fan control, RAM XMP, etc.
- Amount and type of usb ports in the back and for the front panel.
- Whether using the m.2 ports deactivates other ports, and if so which ones (usually SATA)
- Wifi on board or not, to know If I have to buy separate a wifi expansion card or a dongle.
- The number and placement of power pins for fans and pumps.
- In your case maybe a dedicated water pump header, but the one for the fans will work.
- That the Audio not badly rated for some reason.
- Gigabit Ethernet
Not deal breakers, but it would be nice:
- Bluetooth v4.0
- That it is not gaudy as fuck
- 4-pin RGB header
- Thunderbolt
2) Coolers that you buy new will come with thermal paste either already applied or in a container.
3) Motherboards. MSI on the cheaper end that just came out so there aren't even reviews yet.
InquisitorAles
Member
If i have DDR3 8gb, is it worth to buy another 8gb or should i just start saving on new motherboard with DDR4?
Phatosaurus
Member
Get a 144hz, perferably one with g sync to go along with that 1080ti. welcome to the true next gen.
i have a question :
i plan to build a new PC ( and sell this one to my nephew ) next year once Volta cards are out .
if i take this build and i switch the Current GPU one out with a Volta GPU will i still have all the best PC parts at that particular price range ( of 2000 , assuming Volta will cost as much as the 1080) or is something better coming along in that time that would be better to take then ?
i plan to build a new PC ( and sell this one to my nephew ) next year once Volta cards are out .
if i take this build and i switch the Current GPU one out with a Volta GPU will i still have all the best PC parts at that particular price range ( of 2000 , assuming Volta will cost as much as the 1080) or is something better coming along in that time that would be better to take then ?
ISee
Member
Some games seem to profit from 16 GB of RAM, but it's still not mandatory to have more then 8GB. So, if you're planning to stay on your current CPU for 1-3 more years, sure. But as you are already thinking about getting new stuff. No, save the money.
Sorry, I don't understand your question 100%...
PC parts never stay on top of the performance curve, there is always something new and better coming out after ~ a year. Still, if your current PC is at least half descent there is normally no need to buy a new CPU+MB combo alongside a new GPU.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Hey guys,
My son wants to start a YouTube channel and starts streaming while playing PC games or Nintendo Switch.
What is a basic-decent setup for him. He will mainly play minecraft but I want the pc/laptop to be able to handle a little more demanding games.
Appreciate some recommendations for the PC/laptop and what other hardware I will need (camera, mic, capture card... Etc)..
Many thanks in advance.
My son wants to start a YouTube channel and starts streaming while playing PC games or Nintendo Switch.
What is a basic-decent setup for him. He will mainly play minecraft but I want the pc/laptop to be able to handle a little more demanding games.
Appreciate some recommendations for the PC/laptop and what other hardware I will need (camera, mic, capture card... Etc)..
Many thanks in advance.
Morning pc GAF. I'm currently on the market for a new pc. I am debating if I should build or just get something off the shelf.
I was at Walmart last night and noticed:
The price was 1400.00 given the parts list is that a good deal? Is omen good in terms of build quality?
Thank you
I was at Walmart last night and noticed:
The price was 1400.00 given the parts list is that a good deal? Is omen good in terms of build quality?
Thank you
So I'm having an odd issue when running some games now. When playing the demos of both PES 18 and FIFA 18 my PC runs at ~24 FPS when in full screen mode but when I change it to windowed mode it runs at a full locked 60 FPS. I was searching around to see if people had the same issue and didn't find very much. Anyone have any ideas why this would be happening?
My current specs are:
Intel Core i7 4790k
Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H
GTX 980
16 GB RAM
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
750W Gold Power Supply
My current specs are:
Intel Core i7 4790k
Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H
GTX 980
16 GB RAM
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
750W Gold Power Supply
JonnyDBrit
Member
Morning pc GAF. I'm currently on the market for a new pc. I am debating if I should build or just get something off the shelf.
I was at Walmart last night and noticed:
The price was 1400.00 given the parts list is that a good deal? Is omen good in terms of build quality?
Thank you
It's a couple hundred bucks above what you'd pay for the parts to build your own, if going for equivalent parts. If you're prepared to spend the 1400, I'd personally say use the extra money to buy even better parts - or maybe slot in a monitor.
Recommend looking through the OP and using PCPartPicker. What are your aims in terms of performance? 1080p60? 120 FPS? 1440p?
Ryzen, Ryzen, Ryzen. Even a cheaper Ryzen 3 build will do better in streaming due to its core count - Ryzen 5 would the ideal, but might be a bit pricey to spend on your kid's first build.
Other stuff I'm not so sure on and will leave to others to recommend.
Phatosaurus
Member
Luckily for you, there's the handy video by Blunty going through performance with streaming on Ryzen CPU, which just happen to offer the best price/performance on the market right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4o7Lii_IRE
JonnyDBrit
Member
He's also got a video covering the Ryzen 3 CPUs, and while streaming pretty much maxes out all their cores, they still generally retain good performance in doing so, particularly for the price.
RumblingRosco
Member
The 8xxx series (Coffee Lake) of Intel CPUs come out within the next month or so. So, the 7700K in that build will be outdated by then at the bare minimum, and the motherboard you use for the 7700k won't be compatible with the Coffee Lake CPUS, such as the 8700k, so the motherboard in that build wouldn't be the "best" either.
So, basically, if you don't plan to build for at least a few months due to waiting on Volta, odds are, the current builds in the OP will be outdated.
However, I am maintaining those builds, so as benchmarks come out, I'll update the OP builds with whatever is more appropriate, so you can check back to the OP closer to Volta's release/when you're getting closer to buying stuff to see how things have changed. And, of course, you can pop back into this thread for advice based on your specific needs.
blue_phazon
Member
I have a quick question about RAM and VRAM. If a game typically uses around 7-8gbs of RAM (like PUBG), is that a combination of VRAM + RAM, or is that the amount of RAM needed?
Basically I have a laptop with a 1050ti (with 4gb vram), and 8gb of RAM (usually about 5gb usuable with nothing open), and was wondering if I had enough RAM to run PUBG at low settings. If the game uses the 4gb of VRAM + the 5gb of RAM, should that be enough?
Or do I have a complete misunderstanding of how VRAM works lol
Basically I have a laptop with a 1050ti (with 4gb vram), and 8gb of RAM (usually about 5gb usuable with nothing open), and was wondering if I had enough RAM to run PUBG at low settings. If the game uses the 4gb of VRAM + the 5gb of RAM, should that be enough?
Or do I have a complete misunderstanding of how VRAM works lol
RumblingRosco
Member
When a game has minimum/recommended settings, if it has a separate recommendation for "RAM" it is referring to your PC's DDR3/DDR4 RAM, not the GPU's VRAM.
So if PUBG uses 7-8 GB of RAM, it means DDR3/DDR4 for your PC, not the VRAM of your GPU.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Thanks guys.. I'll focus on Ryzen then.
What about the other stuff, like the accessories needed?
Bustanen
Member
I would change the memory to Samsung b-die: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wX7CmG/gskill-flare-x-series-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c14d-16gfx
My Ripjaws V 3000 (Hynix) won't go above 2666 with B350 Tomahawk. I doubt the 3200 will go above 2993. Might get fixed with a future bios update.
Also don't buy OEM Windows, you can get a license under $10 from unofficial sellers.
Thats about what I was thinking, but thank you very much for the advice. In terms of performance I think I'd like to come in as high as I can.
In all honesty my PC is so old that anything would be a massive upgrade at this point. In terms of games I'd like to play DOOM at reasonably high settings, and I hear all the kids like PUBG [but its a framey mess on my rig]. The PC gameI play the most is Heroes of the Storm so that wont flex anything!
JonnyDBrit
Member
Well, I mean the absolute highest you can go is aim for a compromised 4k60 with a 1080 Ti.
For the money you were wanting to spend, I'd suggest 1440p60, which as MikeBison can attest, is a pretty awesome experience. In which case, a Ryzen 5 1600 with a GTX 1070-1080, or Vega 56-64 depending on what you'd prefer, is what I'd recommend. Hardware Unboxed put out a good video today demonstrating how variable performance can get with current CPU/GPU combinations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8K2yc11eC4
Damn, that's a really informative video. It's interesting to see just how close a Ryzen 5 1600 can get to a Core i7-7700K, considering the £100-£120 price difference between the two!
JonnyDBrit
Member
It really depends on a lot of factors. If you're more GPU bound a higher performing CPU can only help so much, and higher resolutions are more dependent upon the GPU. But there's also CPU utilisation in itself to consider - ie, whether a game favours higher clock speeds on a few cores or simply having more cores in general. Plus there's heavily suspected compatibility issues, particularly for Ryzen CPUs with non-AMD GPUs.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
JonnyDBrit
Member
What's all this? Should I regret my Nvidia GPU purchase with a Ryzen?
Not too much, given the performance overhead for 60 fps, but basically utilisation of the CPU isn't as good as it should be in some titles. I might have that confused, but for your purposes, it shouldn't be that big a deal.
Hey PCGaf. I need a new Monitor. My current one just has its second dead pixel
I wanna upgrade a little bit. So my budget is arround is 250. Here are the two options Im looking at right now:
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/23-8Zoll--60-47cm--Dell-P2416D-schwarz-2560x1440-1xDP-1xHDMI-1-4-1xVGA_1003659.html
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/23-8Zoll--60-47cm--Lenovo-ThinkVision-T24H-10-schwarz-2560x1440-1xDispl_1169204.html
Are this good monitors? Im running a gtx 1060 6GB. Im mostling looking at videos and play some games.
Thanks for your help
I wanna upgrade a little bit. So my budget is arround is 250. Here are the two options Im looking at right now:
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/23-8Zoll--60-47cm--Dell-P2416D-schwarz-2560x1440-1xDP-1xHDMI-1-4-1xVGA_1003659.html
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/23-8Zoll--60-47cm--Lenovo-ThinkVision-T24H-10-schwarz-2560x1440-1xDispl_1169204.html
Are this good monitors? Im running a gtx 1060 6GB. Im mostling looking at videos and play some games.
Thanks for your help
I really enjoyed that Hardware Unboxed video. If companies keep tweaking for more cores and threads the Ryzen 1600 is going to be the go to gaming CPU for years to come. Especially combined with faster GPUs than what is on the market today.
No. The combination of AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU is fine. Nvidia cards kind of suck for DX12 in general. Good thing DX11 is still useful.
There will always be an occasional outlier benchmark here or there.
If DX11 goes away then a bunch of us will have to switch to AMD but I figure Nvidia will have DX12 fixed by then.
This is a little old but look at the difference in performance between DX11 and DX12 for Total Warhammer on a 1080:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9dIGqnYK_A
Sometimes over a 20% difference of DX11 running faster. Play games in DX11 mode on Nvidia GPU. It's my one problem with the Total Warhammer benchmark from the Hardware Unboxed Video. No DX11 benchmark alongside DX12.
Though it is looking like the Vega 56 is faster than the 1070. Hence the rumors of a 1070TI incoming.
One thing I do think is important with Ryzen is RAM speed. You can see significant improvements with faster DDR4 memory. In this case I would go for DD4 3200.
What's all this? Should I regret my Nvidia GPU purchase with a Ryzen
No. The combination of AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU is fine. Nvidia cards kind of suck for DX12 in general. Good thing DX11 is still useful.
There will always be an occasional outlier benchmark here or there.
If DX11 goes away then a bunch of us will have to switch to AMD but I figure Nvidia will have DX12 fixed by then.
This is a little old but look at the difference in performance between DX11 and DX12 for Total Warhammer on a 1080:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9dIGqnYK_A
Sometimes over a 20% difference of DX11 running faster. Play games in DX11 mode on Nvidia GPU. It's my one problem with the Total Warhammer benchmark from the Hardware Unboxed Video. No DX11 benchmark alongside DX12.
Though it is looking like the Vega 56 is faster than the 1070. Hence the rumors of a 1070TI incoming.
One thing I do think is important with Ryzen is RAM speed. You can see significant improvements with faster DDR4 memory. In this case I would go for DD4 3200.
solid mike
Member
Building this for my friend:
GPU Palit GTX 1050 Ti Dual OC 4GB GDDR5
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 3.2-3.4Ghz 4 Core Processor
Mobo Asus Prime A320M K
RAM Kingston HyperX Fury 8GB DDR4
HDD Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB WD10EZEX
PSU Corsair VS450
Case Corsair Carbide Series 88R mATX Mid-Tower Case
Total - $600 (converted to my currency, do not reside in the US)
Getting the following after initial build:
Samsung EVO 250gb SSD
Acer - H236HLbid 23 / AOC - i2267Fw 22 /AOC I2280SWD 21.5in IPS Monitor / Philips 227E7QDSB 21.5 AH-IPS WLED
Choice of Keyboard and Mouse
GPU Palit GTX 1050 Ti Dual OC 4GB GDDR5
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1400 3.2-3.4Ghz 4 Core Processor
Mobo Asus Prime A320M K
RAM Kingston HyperX Fury 8GB DDR4
HDD Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB WD10EZEX
PSU Corsair VS450
Case Corsair Carbide Series 88R mATX Mid-Tower Case
Total - $600 (converted to my currency, do not reside in the US)
Getting the following after initial build:
Samsung EVO 250gb SSD
Acer - H236HLbid 23 / AOC - i2267Fw 22 /AOC I2280SWD 21.5in IPS Monitor / Philips 227E7QDSB 21.5 AH-IPS WLED
Choice of Keyboard and Mouse
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
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JonnyDBrit
Member
Given a recent Jayztwocents video, I'm inclined to ask whether or not there's potentially a B350 board for a similar price. Would give uour friend some potential headroom with the CPU hy way of overclocking.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Thanks for the info. Looks like I will look forward to getting some better DDR4 ram in the near future. Currently I have 2133 DDR4 for my stuff. Shouldnt be that bad when tho to start off my new build.
So I have a Ultra wide 3440x1440 60hz Samsung monitor. I'm currently pushing a 1070 with it and occasionally I run into games with frame dips below 60 which makes them feel very choppy at times.
So my question is, should I buy a gsync (never used before) monitor or upgrade my card to a 1080ti?
If I get a new monitor I'll get something like x34a or equivalent and give my wife the Samsung to use with her laptop when she's at home.
So my question is, should I buy a gsync (never used before) monitor or upgrade my card to a 1080ti?
If I get a new monitor I'll get something like x34a or equivalent and give my wife the Samsung to use with her laptop when she's at home.
JonnyDBrit
Member
What temp monitoring software are you using?
Edit: And/or are you certain the cooler is properly plugged in?
RumblingRosco
Member
Definitely too high. Troubleshooting ideas:
1) Try a different CPU temp monitor. I recommend trying both Ryzen Master and HWInfo, just to make sure they're roughly consistent.
2) If they are consistent, double-check all the fans are working on your CLC before you take anything apart. It's possible you forgot to plug in some fan header.
3) Double-check the pump is plugged into a pump header or CPU_fan header. Can you hear the pump start-up when you turn on the PC/hear it running if you put your ear near it while the PC is turned on?
4) If everything is plugged in correctly, you'll want to start taking things apart I think - check that the fans are properly attached to the radiator and that there's nothing constricting airflow (e.g., your fans aren't trying to exhaust are out the side of your PC, but your PC is pressed up against a wall). Check that the thermal paste contacted the lid of the CPU.
4b) Keep in mind, if you remove your CLC, you'll probably want to completely remove the thermal paste (use a high % isopropanol) from the cooler and the CPU, then apply fresh paste to the CPU.
Really sorry for the late response,I don't always remember about this thread when it's not on the first page. I have a GTX 1070 and play on both a 4K TCL P605 TV and an 1080p AOC monitor. I originally thought the issue could be related to me extending the screen across both displays but I still had the issue when only displaying to one or the other. I'll try your suggestions though, appreciate the help.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
what's your CPU Core Voltage? It could have gone up for some reason, maybe when you turned on XMP for the ram, or something else. Couple of weeks ago I replaced my ram turned on XMP and then found that my vcore shot up to 1.5.
Phatosaurus
Member
As in components? Motherboards, RAM, etc? Or accessories as in mouse, keyboard and all that jazz? Drop me a budget and I'll set up a list in PC part picker for you.
Didn't get to troubleshoot much before I left to run errands, other than all the fans were running and the pump RPMs were visible in HWInfo and the EVGA software. I've got all that on my list to take a look at when I get home though. I was just using HWInfo to monitor things, will try Ryzen master for temps and look at voltage as well. I jumped straight to "reseat the cooler" because while I was assembling it, I inadvertently wiped the preapplied stuff off, so I cleaned it off and manually applied another bead. Will report back.
What Motherboard/RAM combos have people used with Ryzen 5 1600? I looked at the QVL list for the ASRock AB350M Pro4 and the choices for RAM at 3000 or better are limited.
I'm looking to try a modest overclock on the stock cooler if possible, ATX or micro ATX are fine; I will be building in my current Antec 900 case. Looking for 16GB RAM at the higher speeds (2933 seems to be the standard for AMD builds I think?). I'd also like something that will have potential to be good with a CPU upgrade later in the AM4 socket lifetime, though I know that's hard to predict.
I'm looking to try a modest overclock on the stock cooler if possible, ATX or micro ATX are fine; I will be building in my current Antec 900 case. Looking for 16GB RAM at the higher speeds (2933 seems to be the standard for AMD builds I think?). I'd also like something that will have potential to be good with a CPU upgrade later in the AM4 socket lifetime, though I know that's hard to predict.
Phatosaurus
Member
I went with that ASRock board and a Corsair LPX RAM, it wasn't on the QVL but works perfectly at 2933mhz.
drhankmccoyphd
Member
reposting for new page.