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[Aesius]

In terms of 1% lows at 3440x1440 and 4K, would I actually notice the difference between a 9800X3D and something like a 9700x or 7600x?

Normally I wouldn't even consider the 9800X3D (leaning towards the 9700x for RPCS3 performance in particular), but its 1% lows performance looks interesting. Not sure if it's worthwhile or if I'd even notice the difference at the resolutions I game at, though.

 

[rofif]

Absolutely no idea why but I've bought 5700x3d to replace 3700x
and 2x8gb 3200mhz 16cl ram to double what I have to 32gb.. idk 16 was fine but it was so cheap to double, it's a no brainer.

Not sure what any of that will do me with 10gb 3080... but maybe if I ever play something on pc again, at least shaders will cache faster with that cpu

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

i'm so confused WTF is happening with my 5090. i just gained about 25-30fps. maybe it was the driver update recently.

thought i damaged my card last night trying to improve my undervolt but it's OK because it kept crashing. had to boot into safe mode to wipe drivers and Afterburner.

done a new undervolt. temps are only down by about 3C and power is down by ~70W but is using more power than before. makes sense since the performance has gone up.

everything seems so buggy. i'm not messing about with undervolting anymore. i'm happy just to cut down the power consumption a bit but it's still terrifying seeing it use 500W.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-006C-00001?item=9SIBV1MK713275

Would y’all buy this for someone who just mainly cares about Marvel Rivals and 1080p60 gaming?

 

[rofif]

Guys remind me. Since new 5700x3d is coming tomorrow, I went ahead and updated my uefi first time in like 4 years.
What I always do (but not sure if I remember everything)
-Disable HD audio
-Enable TPM (was enabled by default)
-Enable resizable BAR thingy (was disabled)
-XMP profile for ram
-Disable CSM (disabling it, makes boot faster, skips the legacy low graphic boot)
-fan curves

Anything else I am missing? I've noticed that the gigabyte logo when booting is now much smaller than on previous version. Maybe something to do with csm?
Do I change fast boot? It's disabled. I never tried fast boot settings
The board is gigabyte x570 aorus elite

 

[lachesis]

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-006C-00001?item=9SIBV1MK713275

Would y’all buy this for someone who just mainly cares about Marvel Rivals and 1080p60 gaming?

I think this more than enough to run Marvel Rivals at 1080p 60. My child pc runs on 3770k + RX6600 on Windows 10, and it runs on high settings over 60fps (not ultra) w/o any FSR. Future upgrade path would be limited, though…

 

[rofif]

Very interesting going from 3700x to 5700x3d without changing 3080. Still 10gb vvram
Cyberpunk got SUPER playable now. I can do PT(maxed, new transformer model) 4k with ultra performance dlss and get good playable fps 30-40+.
But on 1 setting to left (so maxed out but not PT), my benchmark result jumped from 34 to 54. Kinda crazy.
Other games don't show so much result so far but cyberpunk wow

also - I might still have my special touch! (posted a pic of my installation today)

 

[Bboy AJ]

Just rebuilt my PC. New everything, basically. I wanted to carry over as much as I could to but AM4 to AM5 forced a new rebuild and then I said f it. 2020 build to 2025 build. Only gaming. I'll post pictures when it's mostly done. Still have a few things coming in.

Old	New	Notes
Ncase M1	FormD T1 2.1
5900x	9800x3d	I never needed the 5900x over the 5600x. I just thought it was cool. 5800x3d wasn't out at the time I got my 5900x. I made a better decision this time.
3080Ti FE	5090 FE	No new GPU yet, the hunt continues
32 GB DDR4	32 GB DDR5	I read that there's no need for 64 for gaming?
Asus ROG B550i	Asus ROG B850i
AIO	Air	My AIO won't fit in the smaller case but also, I read that AIOs have a limited life? I'll just go air this time around.
Samsung 980 1TB and 970 2TB	Carried them over
Corsair SF750	Corsair SF1000	5090 is killing me. Got custom cables for my PSU this time around, too, since the case is so tiny and it's air cooled.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Bought parts for a PC I’m building for someone.

9700X
MSI B650 Tomahawk
1TB WD SSD nvme
32gb ddr5 6000 RAM

I’m reusing parts from my PC since I have now upgraded. The parts are:

Fractal Design Define S case
Be quiet dark rock pro 4 cooler
RTX 4080 FE
250GB SSD (boot drive)
MSI 1000W 3.0 psu
1440p 144hz monitor
Logitech gaming mouse
Corsair Mechanical Keyboard

the person I’m building it for has only a budget of £700 and the parts I bought came to £675.

I was looking at a 7800X3D but wouldn’t fit the budget. The 9700X will keep up with the 4080 at 1440p right?

I thought about giving them my 7950X3D and using the 9700X myself until the 9950X3D is out. Not sure what to do. If I keep it then the 9700X has to keep up with a 5090 at 1440p 360Hz. It wouldn’t only be temporary though.

Maybe it’s better to stick with the 9700X as it shouldn’t get as hot. My CPU cooler should handle it. I used that with my 7950X3D but ended up getting an Aio.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Just rebuilt my PC. New everything, basically. I wanted to carry over as much as I could to but AM4 to AM5 forced a new rebuild and then I said f it. 2020 build to 2025 build. Only gaming. I'll post pictures when it's mostly done. Still have a few things coming in.

Old	New	Notes
Ncase M1	FormD T1 2.1
5900x	9800x3d	I never needed the 5900x over the 5600x. I just thought it was cool. 5800x3d wasn't out at the time I got my 5900x. I made a better decision this time.
3080Ti FE	5090 FE	No new GPU yet, the hunt continues
32 GB DDR4	32 GB DDR5	I read that there's no need for 64 for gaming?
Asus ROG B550i	Asus ROG B850i
AIO	Air	My AIO won't fit in the smaller case but also, I read that AIOs have a limited life? I'll just go air this time around.
Samsung 980 1TB and 970 2TB	Carried them over
Corsair SF750	Corsair SF1000	5090 is killing me. Got custom cables for my PSU this time around, too, since the case is so tiny and it's air cooled.

64GB is overkill at the moment yes. I have 64GB. Most I’ve saw a game use is 27GB.

It’s fine now and will be for years yet. Maybe when next gen consoles arrive we’ll start to see more use of 64GB.

AIOs do have a limited life. Usually it’s the pump that dies. That said they could last 5-10 years though. The other thing is the amount of liquid drops over time (years) so it becomes less efficient. As long as you have it installed properly it should keep working. You don’t want air getting into the pump. Obviously air gaps rise to the highest point so you want the pump below the radiator. And where the pipes connect to the radiator shouldn’t be at the top if installed vertically. There are countless videos on YT about this.

If you’re planning to use custom made cables with a 5090 make sure they are actually rated for your PSU. While NVIDIA recommends 1000W for a 5090 keep it mind it will happily use 575W out the box. In fact it will go a little higher than that. Mines hit 581W with stock settings.

That only leaves you 420W for everything else. CPU, motherboard, fans, RAM, storage, etc.

I had a 1000W psu and upgraded to a 1350W for my 5090.

 

[winjer]

Guys remind me. Since new 5700x3d is coming tomorrow, I went ahead and updated my uefi first time in like 4 years.
What I always do (but not sure if I remember everything)
-Disable HD audio
-Enable TPM (was enabled by default)
-Enable resizable BAR thingy (was disabled)
-XMP profile for ram
-Disable CSM (disabling it, makes boot faster, skips the legacy low graphic boot)
-fan curves

Anything else I am missing? I've noticed that the gigabyte logo when booting is now much smaller than on previous version. Maybe something to do with csm?
Do I change fast boot? It's disabled. I never tried fast boot settings
The board is gigabyte x570 aorus elite

Disable Memory Power Down
Enable CCPC
Disable CCPC Preferred Cores
Set the Power Supply Idle Control to Low Current Idle
Enbale C-States
Disable SVM mode
Disable Spread Spectrum
Enable Curve Optimizer and try to find if it's stable at -30
Enable Above 4G decoding (necessary for resizable bar)
Disable TSME
Enable PCIe ten-bit tag

 

[Celcius]

FYI the Samsung 9100 Pro comes out this month. They're finally going to start making pcie gen 5 drives.
1-4 TB drives available this month and 8TB coming out later this year.

Samsung Announces the 9100 PRO Series SSDs

Latest NVMe SSD from Samsung delivers up to twice the read and write speeds compared to its predecessor

news.samsung.com

Samsung's new 9100 Pro SSD is the fastest consumer drive in the world

Samsung says the biggest versions of its new PCIe Gen 5 drive can hit 14,800 MB/s sequential write speeds. Just make room in your budget because they don't come cheap.

www.pcworld.com

Samsung’s first Pro series Gen 5 PCIe SSD arrives in March

It will also be available in an 8TB configuration, a Samsung first.

www.theverge.com

Probably a good idea to wait a month or so before buying them as I remember there was a firmware bug in the 990 Pros at first that was fixed in a follow up firmware. I'm hoping these run cooler than Crucial's T705 drives, especially with videocards being up to 600w these days and being in the very next slot on the mobo. Looking forward to seeing how these turn out. Also interested to see when western digital will finally start selling gen 5 drives.

 

[Bboy AJ]

Those look awesome. I am content to wait for a drop in price but looking forward to them.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

do we know when the 9950X3D is coming out?

i saw a rumour saying 11th or 12th of this month. other places say later this month.

going to get one.

 

[drotahorror]

is what it is. Hope I did right.

 

[Celcius]

ooooo, new G.Skill RAM kits are out

64GB 6000mhz 26-36-36-96: G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model F5-6000J2636G32GX2-TZ5NR - Newegg.com

96GB 6000mhz 28-36-36-96: G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series 96GB (2 x 48GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model F5-6000J2836F48GX2-TZ5NR - Newegg.com

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Okay.. about time to upgrade GPU I've been considering for a while - with AMDs new card, my question is this:

Was looking to spend 300-400 on an older GPU.. but this price seems in striking distance of that in the end. I'm not fully in understanding, but looks like it could be an option if retail price could be had for me. Using 1080ti right now, goal of 2k gameplay @ 60 fps. I guess the question is this - for whatever I could find at 300-400 - is it worth it to bite the bullet and get this?

I posted in the AMD review thread, but probably better here. I am kind of out of date on all this shit, so the upscaling acronyms are a bit lost on me but I'm trying to catch up. I don't favor AMD or nVidia necessarily, but my last two cards since the launch of Diablo III have been nVidia cards (560ti, 1080ti). I know I received and answer some pages ago, but now with AMD's new card out I'd like to know if it's worth it for the extra cash or.. not really. Not afraid to say I'm out of date on the knowledge. For reference, though I don't think it matters, I'm using a i7-11700k 3.6ghz CPU, 32GB RAM. Also, leaning toward the standard and not XT, because it looks like the performance increase is not that substantial and a lot more powerdraw? Or is it a who cares, spend the 50 USD situation?

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Question for people who game at 4k and know the ins and outs of 4k monitors.

I've been on a superb 1440p 144hz display for awhile now. In the future I'm thinking of going 4k. I know 1440 is the sweet spot and 4k is a waste of power.
But I think with today's upscalers it's fine.
My question is if I were to drop the res to 1440p in some games for higher FPS. How bad is the image quality as obviously 1440 doesn't fit into 4k.
Or you just have to go native or bust?

 

[drotahorror]

Stoked to play the Motorstorm games again (particularly 2 and 3). My 6700k doesn't cut it for the most part.

 

[Celcius]

Question for people who game at 4k and know the ins and outs of 4k monitors.

I've been on a superb 1440p 144hz display for awhile now. In the future I'm thinking of going 4k. I know 1440 is the sweet spot and 4k is a waste of power.
But I think with today's upscalers it's fine.
My question is if I were to drop the res to 1440p in some games for higher FPS. How bad is the image quality as obviously 1440 doesn't fit into 4k.
Or you just have to go native or bust?

4K isn't a waste of power, it looks FAR sharper than 1440p to me.
I'd much rather use DLSS than dropping the resolution if native 4K is too heavy. DLSS can make it look very close to native.

 

[Topher]

4K isn't a waste of power, it looks FAR sharper than 1440p to me.
I'd much rather use DLSS than dropping the resolution if native 4K is too heavy. DLSS can make it look very close to native.

Exactly my opinion. I've dropped resolution to 1440p in the past, but the clarity just isn't there. Upscaling is the key that bridges the gap between higher, crisper resolutions and higher frame rates. Having said that, if what he means is "native" 4k then I'd tend to agree with that in most cases.

 

[OverHeat]

Little question at the moment I have DDR5 6000 36 would upgrading to CL 30 or 28 be a big upgrade ?

 

[peish]

Little question at the moment I have DDR5 6000 36 would upgrading to CL 30 or 28 be a big upgrade ?

no, you probably could use your existing ddr5, go into bios and change to cl30. probably just need to increase some memory voltage, for amd it is call vdd and vddq, just change to 1.35v for both

What is your ram model that said?

 

[Celcius]

Little question at the moment I have DDR5 6000 36 would upgrading to CL 30 or 28 be a big upgrade ?

If you do decide to upgrade I would go CL26: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-ddr5-6000/p/N82E16820374671
Dropping 10 CL
Plenty of people use CL 38 or 36 though. It's ok.
Personally I run 6000 CL 30 and was thinking about upgrading to a CL 26 kit but decided it wasn't worth it for my uses.

 

[peish]

Going beyond just XMP/EXPO, some grease work manual ram tuning do help with minimal FPS

https://quasarzone.com/bbs/qf_overc...1-LVN9Mk6ucb70XT.tyVPToMDw9eZd9K91WZP.0uOUUlY

 

[Xyphie]

Little question at the moment I have DDR5 6000 36 would upgrading to CL 30 or 28 be a big upgrade ?

Doesn't feel worthwhile. Lower latency RAM doesn't do a ton on X3D processors.

 

[OverHeat]

no, you probably could use your existing ddr5, go into bios and change to cl30. probably just need to increase some memory voltage, for amd it is call vdd and vddq, just change to 1.35v for both

What is your ram model that said?

Corsair Dominator

 

[rofif]

Buddy got:
4080
5800x
x570
4.0 nvme drives etc etc.

We are debating about upgrading but it is a weird moment in time honestly to do so:
Without new cpu and case, it comes up to roughly 2,2k$.
He insists on having wifi7 and 64gb, so let's be it. And he wants white components and some white arctic AIO. let's be it.

But then... I've watched some 9800x3d reviews and it makes absolutely no sense to get it without having either 4090 or 5090 card.
With his 4080, he wouldn't gain almost anything. Can just as well switch 5800x to 5700x3d(somehow only this is available) and have his 10% gains for vert cheap.

In order to get reasonable gains from 9800x3d pc, you NEED 5090 or 4090. This means another 4k$ added to the pc (5080).
So then the pc comes up to 6000$ and that's all fine and great.
but the problem is... that this is the ONLY WAY and only step up he can do for his pc. Upgrading whole pc and staying with 4080? Makes no sense. Upgrading 5090 alone? Makes no sense.
Only full upgrade really makes any sense.

also, he uses 240hz oled 3440x1440 monitor. So fairly high resolution. Certainly to be GPU bound more than not.
So, his current pc is SO GOOD and well balanced that in order to have reasonable gains, he needs to replace evrything.
Replacing cpu to 3d alone right now (so 5700x3d/5800x3d) is a tiny band aid on the build.
edit: And money aside, going from 4080 to 5090 means having to deal with the 150c hot connector and all that crap. He says it feels like nonsense to spend 6k on a new pc and add a fan to blow on a connector...

edit: for me the choice is clear lol. ps5 pro makes the most sense

 

[Celcius]

Little question at the moment I have DDR5 6000 36 would upgrading to CL 30 or 28 be a big upgrade ?

Ironically, Hardware Unboxed tested the gskill 6000mhz CL26 vs CL30 with the 9950X3D review:

They mention CL having less of an effect on the X3D CPUs and the charts show 0-3 FPS difference, and that's at 1080p. At 4K there would absolutely be 0 difference. FYI

 

[Celcius]

What case fans do you guys run?
My Corsair SP120's are like 12 years old now and I keep putting off replacing them because Noctua keeps delaying the 120mm G2 fans...

 

[Fess]

Stumbled on the purchase button for 9950x3D. First CPU-only upgrade I’ve done, was more stressful than I thought it would be.

Of course I forgot to update bios, so I had a black screen of nothing staring back at me on the first power up….

Got it working through a usb stick bios update. First time doing that too.

Then I had a never-ending 00 post flashing at the first start-up… oops! Google pushed me into internet talks telling me it was CPU related, faulty CPU, just get it replaced, sorry…
But then one comment on Reddit said you could try unplug the PSU for 30 seconds and try again. So, did that and it worked! Turns out a power off was needed for bios to start it’s auto update thingy.

And after what felt like 5 minutes of memory training it finally started up.

Currently trying to get all bios settings done right. It’s showing the cpu temp at the post figures and it drives me crazy, I just keep looking at the numbers thinking the cooling isn’t enough.

9950X3D
MSI 4090 Suprim X
32GB DDR5
Samsung 980 Pro SSD

Should be enough for a couple years! Maybe…

 

[Windle Poons]

What case fans do you guys run?
My Corsair SP120's are like 12 years old now and I keep putting off replacing them because Noctua keeps delaying the 120mm G2 fans...

I use Corsair LL120s in mine, have 6.

Probably not that much difference

 

[manfestival]

Am I crazy for thinking about selling my 13900k and fantastic motherboard in exchange for a 9800x3D? Kinda crazy how some of these systems with a 9800x3d and 5080 come close to the performance of my 4090 at times and I know that CPU is carrying that extra weight.

 

[Celcius]

Am I crazy for thinking about selling my 13900k and fantastic motherboard in exchange for a 9800x3D? Kinda crazy how some of these systems with a 9800x3d and 5080 come close to the performance of my 4090 at times and I know that CPU is carrying that extra weight.

Pros: More gaming performance, less heat/power, forward socket compatibility, don't have to worry about the degradation issue, etc...

Cons: If you do non-gaming stuff then I would think about giving up all of those cores. Also, if you game at 4K and only 60FPS then the CPU won't matter as much since so much load will be on the GPU at that point. Even in gaming the 13900k is no slouch.

 

[manfestival]

Pros: More gaming performance, less heat/power, forward socket compatibility, don't have to worry about the degradation issue, etc...

Cons: If you do non-gaming stuff then I would think about giving up all of those cores. Also, if you game at 4K and only 60FPS then the CPU won't matter as much since so much load will be on the GPU at that point. Even in gaming the 13900k is no slouch.

Yeah fortunately I dont do anything productivity wise and only game on this thing. Also I play at 1440p since I aimed for higher frames over 4k60. Sadly my 13900k is one of the affected ones but I have been able to stabilize it with some of the things that have been done but definitely had a drop in performance since those things were implemented so there is that too.

 

[Celcius]

Yeah fortunately I dont do anything productivity wise and only game on this thing. Also I play at 1440p since I aimed for higher frames over 4k60. Sadly my 13900k is one of the affected ones but I have been able to stabilize it with some of the things that have been done but definitely had a drop in performance since those things were implemented so there is that too.

Sounds like it could be a nice upgrade then

 

[kittoo]

Can someone please help me with a minor query.

I have a 9800x3d proc and had been using its iGPU for some time. Now I've got a 5080 so don't need the iGPU. Should I disable it? If so, in device manager or bios?

Also, if in future my external GPU stops working and I've disabled my iGPU, what happens? Will I at least be able to go to bios and re-enable it or will I be forever stuck with no display?

 

[Celcius]

Can someone please help me with a minor query.

I have a 9800x3d proc and had been using its iGPU for some time. Now I've got a 5080 so don't need the iGPU. Should I disable it? If so, in device manager or bios?

Also, if in future my external GPU stops working and I've disabled my iGPU, what happens? Will I at least be able to go to bios and re-enable it or will I be forever stuck with no display?

Hi, I would disable it. It will save a few watts and more importantly the iGPU will reserve some of your system RAM so if you disable it then you'll get some of that back as well. There's an option in the bios to enable or disable the iGPU.
In the future if your 5080 ever dies then you can easily go into the bios and turn the igpu back on.
However, if you want to leave it enabled then it's not a big deal... there may be the occasional program that tries to run on the iGPU instead of the 5080 so if you notice poor performance in a game then you'll want to check to make sure it's using the right GPU.

 

[Yerd]

You know, fuck steam.

Today it's fucking around with errors just launching. Ok, reinstall it. Same error. Ok, Uninstall steam. Guess what, that deletes your entire fucking library without warning, no option to keep it. How about a confirmation on deleting my over 9000 zettabytes of game files, fuck face? It's been so long that I had any issue. I don't remember this being a cool feature of steam to delete your whole god damn library if you want to uninstall the app.

So, I have a nice clear drive today.

 

[Windle Poons]

So, I have a nice clear drive today.

You found the calm in all of the chaos.

 

[OverHeat]

Got this today bye bye Corsair dominator

 

[Celcius]

I took a trip to my local MicroCenter today... finally upgraded to my first pcie gen 5 SSD, the Samsung 9100 Pro 4TB.
It's faster than I expected and I think this will last me a long time.
I'm also impressed by how cool it runs.

 

[OverHeat]

I took a trip to my local MicroCenter today... finally upgraded to my first pcie gen 5 SSD, the Samsung 9100 Pro 4TB.
It's faster than I expected and I think this will last me a long time.
I'm also impressed by how cool it runs.

Nice this pwned my old gen5 t700

 

[Celcius]

Reran the benchmark without stuff running in the background:

Also updated my bios to the latest version.