Being able to see these people is a good thing. And removing the ability to share these horrible thoughts on the Internet does nothing to actually make them go away, and anyone who thinks it would make the world a better place has much to learn about that world and its inhabitants.
I wasn't previously aware of the very, very racist parts of reddit.
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entremet
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You're talking about r/TwoXXChromosomes.
People actually feared that it would be run over by trolls when it was made a default subreddit.
It's actually pretty well moderated. Those moderators work like heck though.
CrushDance
Banned
It is and it isn't though. Yes, if I want to write a paper about the lunacy of whatever, I can find a forum or blog that'll do just fine for that. But when I'm on Youtube and watching the trailer for Star Wars, and scroll down to see hype reactions, or am on twitter with fellow fans and the first thing I see is "Why is there a nigger in star wars"? It's incredibly irritating. What's worse is being told to ignore it. All you ever read is "Aids lolol", "Ebola lololo" it gets old real fast.
It's all just a big mess and as I admitted earlier, my stance on this comes from a personal perspective. Anyway, off to bed. Toodles.
POWERSPHERE
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Youtube comments are worse
Sites can moderate comment sections however they'd like, and I'm not sure how "ignore it" isn't perfectly sound advice. If its existence isn't enough to keep you from using those sites, and clearly it isn't, it's your only choice other than sending complaints and criticism.
Just removing it from everywhere, full stop, does so much more to harm our understanding of the problem than it could ever do to address that actual problem. It's a fools errand.
As opposed to what? That isn't magical opinion armor.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I'd say the main difference comes from whether you look at racism as this abstract, academic issue, or something that affects you or could affect you.
If you don't really care , of course it won't matter.
If you don't really care , of course it won't matter.
entremet
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How do you feel about Youtube's approach?
YT is specifically hands off and let's the channel owner moderate, however, most do not exercise those powers, hence all the vile comments.
I still enjoy Youtube even though you find some of worse comments on the internet. Same with Reddit. There are a few sub-reddits that I enjoy that are very well moderated.
I really really like reddit because it reminds me a lot of usenet/BBS.
Now you may think reddit is a message board like GAF and it should be moderated and curated but that's really missing the point.
Reddit exists more as a platform. It's like vBulletin on GoDaddy.
Reddit is made up entirely of subreddits. All these subreddits are moderated (or not) but their users. You could make a subreddit today, anonymously, without using an e-mail, and make it about anything you want. You can set karma limits, you can have no karma at all, you can control the discussion -or not.
If you hate reddit, you can make a reddit about dead children, fill it with photos of dead children, and talk about how awful reddit's photos of dead children are.
The "karma" thing is internet points, they really don't matter, you can make a new account anytime you want, you can game karma if you are so inclined, a person with a million karma and a person with negative a million karma with both have their comments displayed equally.
If you don't like someone you can shadowban them where they will still be able to post but no one will be able to see their posts.
The idea behind reddit is that anyone can create any space to discuss any topic and have a platform to do so. And if you don't like those topics you can easily ignore them, or you can find special niche interests. If there was an index of every vBulletin board on vBulletin.com it would look just as horrible, but no one would say we should get rid of that message board software. All reddit does is host all these boards in once place. It really is like hopping onto a usenet server and going down to your subgroups.
As to the formatting, it's just nested comments. Like how old BBS' and usenet used to work. You respond to threads. If anything it's easier to read than GAF because you can follow a conversation at a glance. I can't be the only person who's ever clicked the little circle next to a quoted name because I wanted to see what the quote had quoted?
I just find it nice that there's a place on the internet that tries as much as it can to keeps its hands off self-censorship. The child-porn thing obviously can't be hosted, but reddit doesn't host images, that was imgur and other sites reddit linked to. When sites start policing their content they obviously have to make judgement calls on the margins, but reddit just says they are a platform, and lets things go.
Google's motto used to be "don't be evil" and for the most part they don't censor any information, no one is upset that you can use google to search for reddit to search for dead children photos that were found on google, but google are the guys suppressing searches for Tienanmen Square from Chinese IPs.
Now you may think reddit is a message board like GAF and it should be moderated and curated but that's really missing the point.
Reddit exists more as a platform. It's like vBulletin on GoDaddy.
Reddit is made up entirely of subreddits. All these subreddits are moderated (or not) but their users. You could make a subreddit today, anonymously, without using an e-mail, and make it about anything you want. You can set karma limits, you can have no karma at all, you can control the discussion -or not.
If you hate reddit, you can make a reddit about dead children, fill it with photos of dead children, and talk about how awful reddit's photos of dead children are.
The "karma" thing is internet points, they really don't matter, you can make a new account anytime you want, you can game karma if you are so inclined, a person with a million karma and a person with negative a million karma with both have their comments displayed equally.
If you don't like someone you can shadowban them where they will still be able to post but no one will be able to see their posts.
The idea behind reddit is that anyone can create any space to discuss any topic and have a platform to do so. And if you don't like those topics you can easily ignore them, or you can find special niche interests. If there was an index of every vBulletin board on vBulletin.com it would look just as horrible, but no one would say we should get rid of that message board software. All reddit does is host all these boards in once place. It really is like hopping onto a usenet server and going down to your subgroups.
As to the formatting, it's just nested comments. Like how old BBS' and usenet used to work. You respond to threads. If anything it's easier to read than GAF because you can follow a conversation at a glance. I can't be the only person who's ever clicked the little circle next to a quoted name because I wanted to see what the quote had quoted?
I just find it nice that there's a place on the internet that tries as much as it can to keeps its hands off self-censorship. The child-porn thing obviously can't be hosted, but reddit doesn't host images, that was imgur and other sites reddit linked to. When sites start policing their content they obviously have to make judgement calls on the margins, but reddit just says they are a platform, and lets things go.
Google's motto used to be "don't be evil" and for the most part they don't censor any information, no one is upset that you can use google to search for reddit to search for dead children photos that were found on google, but google are the guys suppressing searches for Tienanmen Square from Chinese IPs.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Youtube is about money, of course they don't care. As for the mods of the channels, I realize it can be a lot of work to watch all those comments and the only realistic options there are to kill them or let them rock.
But youtube is also not meant to be a discussion platform
entremet
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This is how I see it basically.
On an even playing field shit that people want to hear will win out every time. Free speech is all well and good, but the human brain stacks the deck heavily against the truth. What the hell can we do in the face of that?
It's not as simple as you're making it out to be.
Mental Atrophy
Banned
Ban speech, because that is apparently the solution. Western ideal is dying, apparently.
The problem with youtube is that it's TOO not open ^enough. You have the Star Wars trailer and it goes up on a youtube account that's officially authorised to host it. You have your own youtube account and you try and host it, it can get pulled. So everyone has to watch the youtube trailer on that one youtube channel and it's n*****, n*****, n***** all the way down. On reddit, you can find a link to the trailer on a hundred different subreddits, and they're all discussing it within their own communities. In fact, there's no "official" subreddit for the Star Wars trailer, so you can discuss it anywhere you want.
entremet
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Wrooooong.
I got so much help from python communities while learning, daikyprogrammer, diablo, awww, spaceporn, earthporn, etc..
There is plenty of good communities on reddit, and there is plenty of shit on reddit. It's not called the front page of the internet for nothing.
If the mods and registration of GAF wasn't that strict, you would see the same here. Have you guys ever see those *other* forums where GAF banned people go? It's interesting to see that people that were behaving nicely over here turn to scum over there because they won't get banned as easily.
Syphon Filter
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what is the point of that site anyways? seems like another forum site and a bad layout.
entremet
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I don't think is about GAF being strict, but more exclusive. You need an ISP email and there's a waiting period. With that comes a thinning of the herd that's a double edge sword. You do get good discussion, but also since its a vetted community you can only go so far. GAF is also primarily centered on gaming, which is going to limit the demographic.
Reddit is a free for all. You can create an account in seconds, without an email, and create your own subreddit the next second.
Like a poster said above Reddit is more a platform then a vetted community forum like GAF.
It's nice because it's like a million forums in one, they're all searchable from one place, and you don't have to create a million accounts.
WanderingWind
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Yup. When people say 'I hate Reddit' it's like somebody who says 'I don't like to drink.' It's too malleable a site for there to be anything to hate. What you're really saying is "I hate the unfettered opinions of people."
Which, you know, is sort of understandable, but not really something that's noble to want to eliminate.
Holy Order Sol
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Like any place on the Internet, go there for the information/content, take what you need and get out. No need to think of yourself as a member of a community or to further associate with the people there just because you post where they post.
rottingcore
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There are subcategories for incest and sex with dogs. Reddit is a huge place. Stay out of crack alley and stick to the clean subs.
Kite
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It always amuses me when people say that reddit is racist, hates women or whatever cus the exact opposite is also true. You want subreddits where women are always right and men are scum, where whites are responsible for all the evils in the world.. they exist as well. Whatever circle-jerk and echo-chamber you want is there and available. Trying to paint reddit as any one thing is laughable. And trying to compare it to gaf is even funnier, this place is a speck of dust compared to the size of reddit and that is why it is able to be so tightly moderated and controlled.
I've been using reddit for years and never been to any of these weird fucked up subreddits cus I don't go looking for them and they aren't exactly easy to find unless someone links em to you like this thread. The same way I don't go looking for fucked up things online, I'm sure somewhere on the deepnet/darkweb/whateveritscalled people are posting snuff films, child porn and other sick shit.. I've never been, most haven't, and trying to paint the entire internet as sick cus such things is very stupid.
I've been using reddit for years and never been to any of these weird fucked up subreddits cus I don't go looking for them and they aren't exactly easy to find unless someone links em to you like this thread. The same way I don't go looking for fucked up things online, I'm sure somewhere on the deepnet/darkweb/whateveritscalled people are posting snuff films, child porn and other sick shit.. I've never been, most haven't, and trying to paint the entire internet as sick cus such things is very stupid.
UltraGunner
Banned
Default Reddit is pretty much Stormfront, and the Admins won't do shit because they'll make money regardless.
They pretty much prioritize money making over any true ideology. They'll pay lipservice to being generic as possible until their bottom line is threatened, then finally nuke whatever is grabbing attention.
I don't see the big deal. Subreddits can be made about anything as long as it doesn't put reddit in legal hot water. Any user-curated community like that of sufficient size will have people sharing controversial views.
Anyway, my favorite subreddits are: aww, birdpics, EarthPorn, IndieHeads, literature, NBA, self, sloths, tapirs, TrueAskReddit, wikipedia, YouTubeHaiku.
Anyway, my favorite subreddits are: aww, birdpics, EarthPorn, IndieHeads, literature, NBA, self, sloths, tapirs, TrueAskReddit, wikipedia, YouTubeHaiku.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Oh, come the fuck on. I use reddit to keep up with my hobbies, international news and photographs of places I'll never visit. This is clearly analogous to ignoring institutional racism. Reddit is a billion sites under one URL. The entire point is to customize it what you like, or want to keep informed on. I don't "hide" the racist subreddits, I just don't subscribe to them. Might as well call people racist for not visiting Stormfront. And no, I'm not saying those sites are analogous. That's so fucking absurd.
Like people have mentioned, it's more a platform. There are a lot of subreddits, and me visiting /r/AskHistorians for example, have nothing to do with racist bigots posting on whiterights, theredpill or wherever.
It's like the rest of the internet, don't visit the parts you don't want to visit. And you will still see idiots everywhere (news sites comment sections, youtube comments, twitter, etc).
It's like the rest of the internet, don't visit the parts you don't want to visit. And you will still see idiots everywhere (news sites comment sections, youtube comments, twitter, etc).
Riposte
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Hmm, is the amateur porn on Stormfront that good?
theignoramus
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I would think any reasonable person would be offended by a site that allowed child porn, at any point in time.
No but they do have an amazing cooking and crafts corner.
Portugeezer
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Like what?
Vermillion
Banned
I can imagine that place coming under heavy fire for the name >_>
theignoramus
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Im not sure what is being argued in here. Im seeing posts about free speech and first amendment rights, when I wasnt aware that was even being debated. The reddit mods shutting down vile content is no more a violation of "free speech" than a gaf mod doing the same. Those people are free to start up their own version of Stormfront or post suggestive pics of underage girls in their own little cesspit.
I would say you have a point if Reddit didn't moderate or censor things when they feel like it. See: The Fappening, or their fight with child porn and shit.
Because it's all under one umbrella, they are responsible. Not for the toolset alone like your comparisons, but for the content. It is qualitatively not like forum software.
No. Not even close.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
This is true, and I think the overwhelming majority of subreddits have mods that delete and at least shadowban racist/sexist offenders. The defaults for some reason are rampant with comments that would get banned over like, 90 percent of the site. The outright racist subreddits though...no defense there. As ingoramus said, let those assholes congregate elsewhere.
Fixed. Their threads are nightmare-ish to read. I rarely able to figure out who responded to whom.
Masquerader
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Reddit is absolutely awful as a whole. It's actually currently worse than 4Chan in many aspects. It'll take some time for people to realise that.
TOP SHOTTA
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Yes you will. Backpage.com has more scum and Craigslist (especially for big cities) does too.
Until something fucks with their money or dirt comes to light.
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