Unknown Soldier
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Well OK, I've waited long enough with my i7-950. I'm going to upgrade goddamit.
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i5 6600K, i7 6700K CPUs & Z170 Mobos out next week; Upgrade or wait to see AMD's Zen?
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It's honestly amazing. I'm running witcher 3 with everything on ultra except for hairworks, which I turned off. 60 frames per second at 1080p.
Mad Season
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So if I'm running a 2500k over clocked to 4.5 , 8 GB ram, 980 video and an asus Maximus gene z iv MB and I game at 1080p on high or extreme settings is there any real reason for me to upgrade in January?
qa_engineer
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The only difference is the 40 PCI lanes in the 5930K vs 28 PCI lanes in the 5820K. 40 Lanes means you can support up to 4 Way SLI/Crossfire at x16/x16/x16/x16 vs. a meager 3-way SLI/crossfire at 16x/8x/4x. Other than that the L1 and L2 cache are identical (15mb, 256 per core) and the core count (6) is the same.
Edit: running crossfire or sli with a 28 lane cpu means one card will be 16x and the other will be 8x. Of all the benchmarks and tests I've seen there is no difference when running a crossfire or SLI setup in 16x/16x vs 16x/8x. so you're good to go with the 5820.. assuming you even plan on running more than one GPU.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Oh, oh, 28 lanes on 5820, didn't realize that. Hmm.. Wonder how it affects things if I would have couple M.2 drives on there.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
You will find significantly better speed by upgrading. Now, upgrading to what is the question. You could go with i7-4790K or i7-5820K and possibly obtain better speed. That said going with a new i7-6700K would not be bad at all.
EarsOfASnake
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I think I am going to be leaning that way, 980ti might be overkill.
qa_engineer
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For the X99 Pro board it means this:
Expansion Slots
PCI Express 3.0 x16
40-Lane CPU - 3 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16, x16/x16, x16/x16/x8) *1
28-Lane CPU - 3 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 ( x16, x16/x8, x16/x8/x4) *2
1* The PCIe x16_4 shares bandwidth with M.2 x4. When M.2 socket is occupied, the PCIe x16_4 slot will be disabled.
2* The PCIe x16_4 shares bandwidth with M.2 x4. When M.2 socket is occupied, the PCIe x16_4 slot will be disabled.The PCIe x16_3 slot support x8 devices only.
PCI Express 2.0 x16
28-Lane CPU - 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4 mode) *3
3* The PCIe x16_2, PCIe x1_1 and USB3_E56 connectors share the same bandwidth. By default, the PCIe x16_2 slot and PCIe x1_1 slot will automatically run at x1 mode with USB3_E56 enabled for best resource optimization.
PCI Express x1
28-Lane CPU - 2 x PCIe 2.0 x1 (x1 mode) *3
3* The PCIe x16_2, PCIe x1_1 and USB3_E56 connectors share the same bandwidth. By default, the PCIe x16_2 slot and PCIe x1_1 slot will automatically run at x1 mode with USB3_E56 enabled for best resource optimization.
tl;dr. you won't be able to support a 3rd video card or PCI device in the 4th PCIe slot
julesodies
Member
Do I need to upgrade to Skylake to get USB3.1C or can I get a PCI-E in the future with those USB ports?
Edit:
I got an Ivy bridge msi z77a-g45
Edit:
I got an Ivy bridge msi z77a-g45
qa_engineer
Member
Pretty sure you need a new chipset to support it. X99 or Z170, but I could be wrong.
I saw in one of the reviews the dolphin benchmark liked the ipc improvements in skylake over haswell\broadwell but they didn't run any actual games to see if that translated. Also does anyone know if there is a z170 board with 8 DDR4 slots. I'm looking at 16GB sticks so it likely won't matter but it'd be nice to have to the option to go beyond 64GB if I wanted.
Coulomb_Barrier
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USB 3.0 has yet to see any kind of major proliferation in the market as it is, and USB 3.1 is a negligible feature for desktop PCs and only slightly more interesting for laptops/tablets from what I understand.
If you want to keep your system viable for the next few (nay, several) years, M.2 port/s and PCI-E SSDs are what will do it outside of your CPU and GPU on an X99 build. Both of which are part of the feature set on the SLI Plus.
Motherboards with USB 3.1 are not going to drop in price any time soon, so you either wait several months for them to do so, essentially for a very minor feature, or you go for something cheaper without. But I am not right up to date on the latest X99 boards, so by all means do your research and find something that is the best value for you
StereoVsn
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Yeah, it's not worth it to splurge to the 5930K as I don't see myself ever running more then 2 GPUs if even that.
Right now the same MB with USB 3.1 (gen 2) is $229.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130841
If you don't really care for what USB 3.1 has to offer then just go with that sale price on the older rev.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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USB 3.0 has yet to see any kind of major proliferation in the market as it is, and USB 3.1 is a negligible feature for desktop PCs and only slightly more interesting for laptops/tablets from what I understand.
If you want to keep your system viable for the next few (nay, several) years, M.2 port/s and PCI-E SSDs are what will do it outside of your CPU and GPU on an X99 build. Both of which are part of the feature set on the SLI Plus.
Motherboards with USB 3.1 are not going to drop in price any time soon, so you either wait several months for them to do so, essentially for a very minor feature, or you go for something cheaper without. But I am not right up to date on the latest X99 boards, so by all means do your research and find something that is the best value for you
Thanks for helping me out I decided to go with the MSI X99S plus since it is on sale for $165.Right now the same MB with USB 3.1 (gen 2) is $229.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130841
If you don't really care for what USB 3.1 has to offer then just go with that sale price on the older rev.
Any benchmarks of work/office apps at different DDR4 speeds? Trying to determine an appropriate spec for software engineers and software build PCs. Possibly for gaming too I guess if Intel releases an 8 core chip without being tied to an antiquated LGA2011 chipset and I have a need for it.
It's antiquated if you think DDR4 is OMFGBBQ. Which it isn't. Lol
I'm not sure I follow. 2011v3 has DDR4
Coulomb_Barrier
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Good choice, welcome to the platform!
ChrisMahoney
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Do any of these new motherboards have Thunderbolt 3 ports?
sleepydeer
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Coulomb_Barrier
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Yeah I've had DDR4 since late last year
No different to DDR3 at all TBH aside from lower power draw.
Newegg has 6600k pre-orders up, only combos atm.
http://promotions.newegg.com/intel/15-3811/index.html?icid=324906
http://promotions.newegg.com/intel/15-3811/index.html?icid=324906
Yeah I saw that. I think I'll buy my case that's on sale then wait a bit for DDR4 and skylake/haswell-e. Maybe put it off a month or so
Heard claim on Reddit for user who alleged he works in US based HW store. Apparently Intel gave orders to their suppliers that they aren't allowed to send any Skylake HW to retailers before embargo has been lifted. Also release dates on those bundles support his claim that NewEgg isn't getting any Skylake stuff before early next week.
Weird move from Intel, if true, when considering that EU based HW stores started to shelve Skylake HW moment embargo was lifted and started to send HW out to customers.
Weird move from Intel, if true, when considering that EU based HW stores started to shelve Skylake HW moment embargo was lifted and started to send HW out to customers.
Very considering the reviews weren't blow your socks off good.
No, but reviews gave what realistic expectations were. Still little surprised that some people actually expected more than 5-10% performance increase.
Yeah I wasn't expecting much more than that. I'm just surprised that they would hold back shipments before reviews unless they were expecting huge word of mouth on the positive side to build up for a week or so before you could actually get them.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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This morning.
So when will stores have the skylake stuff? Tomorrow?
Newegg has bundles dated 8/14.
Green Card
Member
Which one of the i5 + mobo combos is best? I'm looking to preorder one.
No way to know for sure yet. ASUS and Gigabyte are typically safe bets, though ASUS is generally most on-point with early BIOS revisions. Don't overspend. Something in the $110-140 range is almost always the best buy.
Green Card
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Thanks. I'll pick something in that price range. I think I'll just wait for them to release rather than preorder too.
i read on one of these review sites that if you want skylake to make sure to buy fast as they dont know when they will make more of them.
Im debating between the msi gaming, asus maximus or the asrock extreme7 for mobos.
deluxe looks nice but a bit pricey
Just buy one with an Intel NIC. If it has the Killer/Qualcomm one, do not buy.
I'd also generally advise against ASRock once you get out of super budget prices.
Green Card
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I'm looking at ram and I know Skylake can use DDR3L memory. It looks like it is mostly laptop memory. Would something like this be good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226691&cm_re=ddr3l-_-20-226-691-_-Product
Alright maybe I'll preorder that $365 combo.
Alright maybe I'll preorder that $365 combo.
any reason as to why not get one with killer/qualcomm? just curious.
that ram has decent timings. it should perform well for you.
Green Card
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I bought it but now looking at all the motherboards they all say Memory DDR4 288 Pin. Does the DDR3L go into these slots too or do I need another type of motherboard? Really hope that isn't the case.
CreepingFear
Member
I have a feeling it's going to be really hard to get at the Microcenter in Tustin.
The slots are different, you would need a mobo that has both if you want to use DDR3
Green Card
Member
Yeah I was worried about that. I have been waiting in for NewEgg chat support for 15-20 minutes to try and change my order. How long do they usually take?
Edit: Got through and they said they will cancel it. Disaster averted.
Edit: Got through and they said they will cancel it. Disaster averted.