No, unless you like throwing money down the drain. When you start getting framerates that are unacceptable in new games, then you should consider upgrading.
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i5 6600K, i7 6700K CPUs & Z170 Mobos out next week; Upgrade or wait to see AMD's Zen?
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No, unless you like throwing money down the drain. When you start getting framerates that are unacceptable in new games, then you should consider upgrading.
After looking at the options, I ordered a 6700K, Asus Maximus Hero and the G Skill Ripjaws V 3200 16gb kit. I got a Noctua DH15 for the CPU cooler. I like the look of the EVGA Classified motherboard but it's not out here yet.
I ordered a new case and PSU as well, so all I'll be taking from my current build are my 980 Ti's and Asus Xonar Essence sound card.
I'm upgrading from a 2600K @ 4.5ghz, Asus P8P67 Pro mobo and 8gb G Skill Ripjaws ram, so it will be interesting to see how they compare.
I ordered a new case and PSU as well, so all I'll be taking from my current build are my 980 Ti's and Asus Xonar Essence sound card.
I'm upgrading from a 2600K @ 4.5ghz, Asus P8P67 Pro mobo and 8gb G Skill Ripjaws ram, so it will be interesting to see how they compare.
Zombie James
Banned
Shitty TIM is back :/
Replacing it can drop temperatures by as much as 20°C depending on what you use. That's insane.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9505/skylake-cpu-package-analysis
Replacing it can drop temperatures by as much as 20°C depending on what you use. That's insane.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9505/skylake-cpu-package-analysis
Felix Lighter
Member
Hmmmmm... That's unfortunate. I wonder if they'll release a Devil Canyon like refresh. I would guess that would be a more likely reason for the step backwards, and not a fraction of a cent difference in cost per CPU. I'm sure every buyer would be willing to add a dime to the price of the CPU to have access to better cooling potential.
Shitty TIM is back :/
Replacing it can drop temperatures by as much as 20°C depending on what you use. That's insane.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9505/skylake-cpu-package-analysis
So we are required to pop the lid to get good performance.
I certainly don't have the confidence in my self not to screw that up.
Last Hearth
Member
So about this LGA-1151 thing, is that going to be standard for Skylake architecture? Are all future i5-66** and i7-67** CPUs going to use that MB?
It thankfully seems a lot easier this time at least. That shot of the heatspreader shows the die is pretty far off from the adhesive, so as long as you just gently cut alongside the perimeter (after heating it up), it should pop off easy.
That being said, still a dangerous proposition.
The 4 core Skylake revision should use the same 1151 socket, but the 6 and 8 core variants will likely use an entirely new chipset.
... yeah, i don't see myself doing that any time soon
I've done it over 10 times now, using the vice method. Not a single screw up. It's really really easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3dMgRSEi2Y
Razor method is quite a bit more risky than the vice method.
Pagusas
Elden Member
it also kills resale value, something a lot of us use to help afford our next systems.
Jin
Member
i5 6600K in stock at Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117561
Still no i7.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117561
Still no i7.
Unknown Soldier
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Apparently, because the PCB is so thin, delidding via a vice is not recommended.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1568357/skylake-delidded/0_20
Delid processors that are capable of good overclocks tend to sell for more than stock cpus
Yep, this is fact.
Everyone talking about this delidding method in the OCN thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erbhskSHRPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erbhskSHRPc
Unknown Soldier
Member
Everyone talking about this delidding method in the OCN thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erbhskSHRPc
I must be crazy, I'm really thinking about doing this to my future 6700K
Unknown Soldier
Member
You can also buy a nice, soldered 5820k and skip all this crazyness
It's not as if 5820Ks are hitting 5ghz or something nor would you expect a 6-core CPU to out-OC a 4-core one. And they don't, solder or no.
Kudo
Member
Got the parts yesterday , spent whole day building computer, cable management and installing OS. I somehow missed the news that Skylake dropped support for Windows 7 USB Installation completely, so I went with clean installation of Windows 10 Pro then.
Everything went smooth, really feels like I made it to this century again. That i5-750+HDD to i7-6700k+SSD feels good.
Everything went smooth, really feels like I made it to this century again. That i5-750+HDD to i7-6700k+SSD feels good.
No, but they hit 4.5 GHz with the cooling setup you'd need to get Skylake to 5. And in almost anything which can actually use that level of computational power having 50% more cores and more cache will be faster than a ~12% increase in frequency. That's true even now, and will be even more true when low-level graphics APIs get more common.
Delidding my 4790k was terrifying; it's pretty fucked up we even have to resort to this shit.
Get your shit together, Intel...
Dictator93
Member
My dream is that intel stops slow trickling everything and releases a 6 core skylake. But that is a pipe dream a year away or so.
So another year of waiting for me unless I go your route...
Should really be comparing to Devils Canyon.
Nostremitus
Member
By the time that happens you'll be dreaming about the six-core variant of the next chipset, just like now.
Got the parts yesterday , spent whole day building computer, cable management and installing OS. I somehow missed the news that Skylake dropped support for Windows 7 USB Installation completely, so I went with clean installation of Windows 10 Pro then.
Everything went smooth, really feels like I made it to this century again. That i5-750+HDD to i7-6700k+SSD feels good.
Where are the pics?
Kudo
Member
Didn't take any pics earlier of the insides and already put the computer under my table, so here's just pic of all the boxes:
SliChillax
Member
I couldn't find any 5820k in stock, how's the price compared to the 6700k?You can also buy a nice, soldered 5820k and skip all this crazyness
There are some more variables at play. These results showing the 5775C outperforming other chips in some gaming benchmarks has me thinking that there is at least some sensitivity to main memory latency. If you take a look memory latency measurements on HEDT, it seems that quad-channel controller is adding a not-insignificant overhead.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Where did you buy your 6700k?
It's really really easy. Just take your time. I've never ruined an Intel cpu and I've been building computers for 20 years now.
I do stuff like this all the time. I also polish the heat spreader itself to make sure it's a smooth fit with the cooling device you are using. I run high overclocks and never have any issues with a cpu dying or frying.
Everyone talking about this delidding method in the OCN thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erbhskSHRPc
Wow that seems crazy, I kind of want to do that too now, but man he was just scratching and wiping shit away with whatever he had around and just tossing the card on whatever. That can't be good. But since I want this CPU to last be another 6 years and likely OC as much as I can as needed I should probably do something like this to ensure I have the best heat dissipation as possible.
Edit: So wait you can't reglue the plate back on and have to basically wedge them together with the retention bar? Or that just how this guy did it? Either way that's a bit sketch.
The TIM will cause the CPU adhear to the heat spreader well enough for everyday use.
MichaelFassbender
Member
Core 2 duo and not upgrading yet.
Now that's what I call dedication!
CreepingFear
Member
I don't even have a vice. I'd be too fucking afraid to do that. If anyone can throw $300 down the drain, it would be me.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Shitty TIM is back :/
Replacing it can drop temperatures by as much as 20°C depending on what you use. That's insane.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9505/skylake-cpu-package-analysis
This is just sad at this point.
Nehalem (and as far as I know sandy bridge) were soldered.
Look at how pathetically small that die is...
You can fit almost 3 of them in an i7 920 die
It's not enough to sell you tiny dies at massive margins, they also have to nickle and dime you on the build quality (at a huge cost for cooling efficiency)
Which brings me back on topic:
I hope ZEN delivers and that amd price it agressively, because the lack of competition is now REALLY starting to hurt (not just price wise)
AndyMoogle
Member
I hope you don't have a decent GPU. My C2D @ 3Ghz was a massive bottleneck for my GTX460.
Kaleinc
Banned
There is still enough work for that old 660 and it's nice to have gpu load below 70%, much cooler that way.
cleveridea
Member
Very few people are gonna be CPU limited I think until the process shrink cards like Pascal come out AND are affordable
I remember buying my 4790K and wondering if I would regret not buying a 6 or 8 core and that hasnt been the case a single second since it buying it.
I remember buying my 4790K and wondering if I would regret not buying a 6 or 8 core and that hasnt been the case a single second since it buying it.
cleveridea
Member
Hmmm, definitely something to think about. Also something I would probably want to do before I put my rig together and not something I decide to down the line.
Edit: Not so sure about this now after some research. Deliding and applying better paste does improve things a good bit but overall gains are more likely between 100-300mhz tops depending on my luck at getting a chip that OCs really well. And while I want to overclock this I'm not skilled or knowledgeable enough to really push the boundaries and rigorously test things. I'm more about getting a healthy but reasonable increase. I'm an amateur enthusiast at best.
SliChillax
Member
5920k for 200 pounds on amazon, this or the 6700k?
derExperte
Member
New for that price? Instabuy. I mean you get six real cores and the price difference will compensate for the probably more expensive mainboard.
I delidded my 3570k alone and it's not hard or dangerous, just don't use the stupid razor trick and you are fine. If you need any tips feel free to ask.
I'm no expert by any means, but I've dabbled in building, maintaining, and fixing rigs int he past. I currently don't have a desktop rig, but I do have a pretty good laptop, with a 970m GPU and a i7 4710HQ.
I have been looking into building a beefier rig not necessarily because I need more for gaming (I feel like my bottleneck is more my GPU than processor, though someone who knows more may be able to tell me otherwise), but I'd like a rig that can game/video render at really great rates as well for some work I do.
I often see AMD verse Intel/Nividia debates which happens in an openly competitive market. Where Intel/Nividia combo almost always tops any AMD combo, AMD tends to come in priced more competitively (typically, lower prices) for hardware that isn't always that far behind their competition (see their new GPU's coming out that compete with 980's and above). Now they have new processor tech that is going to double up or more on what failed tech they already were using.
It may be doubtful that tech reaches the top end i7 market, but how far behind are we realistically thinking it would be, compared to the cost difference of going top end i7? I see none 6700 i7's going for well over a thousand dollars, but if AMD's latest and greatest coming out in 2016 can come just under the intels performance but sell for under $1000, would it be worth the wait?
Basically, I'm extremely happy with my laptop rig for gaming, especially given it has a external graphics card port - so basically I can upgrade my GPU in a desktop setting anytime I want.
However, I want something that does video rendering and processing, along with top notch gaming, that's even better than what I got in a desktop setting, but I'm REALLY not looking to go much above 2 grand. I can and am willing to build it myself, though with my kids never leaving me alone a prebuilt rig is also fine.
Still, my debate is that I really want to invest hardcore in a high end CPU or a high end GPU for now in it, because I want to have close to the latest and greatest while not destroying my bank, so I can get a good 5 or 6 years out of it before really noticing a bottleneck.
Opinions? Thoughts?
I have been looking into building a beefier rig not necessarily because I need more for gaming (I feel like my bottleneck is more my GPU than processor, though someone who knows more may be able to tell me otherwise), but I'd like a rig that can game/video render at really great rates as well for some work I do.
I often see AMD verse Intel/Nividia debates which happens in an openly competitive market. Where Intel/Nividia combo almost always tops any AMD combo, AMD tends to come in priced more competitively (typically, lower prices) for hardware that isn't always that far behind their competition (see their new GPU's coming out that compete with 980's and above). Now they have new processor tech that is going to double up or more on what failed tech they already were using.
It may be doubtful that tech reaches the top end i7 market, but how far behind are we realistically thinking it would be, compared to the cost difference of going top end i7? I see none 6700 i7's going for well over a thousand dollars, but if AMD's latest and greatest coming out in 2016 can come just under the intels performance but sell for under $1000, would it be worth the wait?
Basically, I'm extremely happy with my laptop rig for gaming, especially given it has a external graphics card port - so basically I can upgrade my GPU in a desktop setting anytime I want.
However, I want something that does video rendering and processing, along with top notch gaming, that's even better than what I got in a desktop setting, but I'm REALLY not looking to go much above 2 grand. I can and am willing to build it myself, though with my kids never leaving me alone a prebuilt rig is also fine.
Still, my debate is that I really want to invest hardcore in a high end CPU or a high end GPU for now in it, because I want to have close to the latest and greatest while not destroying my bank, so I can get a good 5 or 6 years out of it before really noticing a bottleneck.
Opinions? Thoughts?