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IE browser on Xbox One details.

That has to be the first time I've ever heard someone associate Silverlight and Flash with being "futuristic" -- both mothballed by Adobe/MS. I understand the desire for Flash, but the increased HTML5 support is more forward thinking.

I don't know what the level of Flash support will be (Flash is built-into IE11 on PC afterall). That being said websites that heavily rely on Flash and Silverlight are probably better off as native apps on Xbox One. I'd rather use a Netflix/YouTube app than Netflix/YouTube in the web browser. Same for Flash games, I'd rather they be optimized native apps than running inside of a browser.

Would be so nice to not have to rely on those apps though.

For instance, BBC iPlayer won't be available at launch, but if flash was available we could happily just hit the iPlayer site and be done with it.

edit: Yep just tested to make sure.

I can browse to the iPlayer website on my tablet, start playing a TV show and hit "Play to 360" in the charms menu. So I can still actually view iPlayer content with the XB1 without requiring the app. That basically goes for all flash content.

So technically, if I go to a site that needs flash and the console doesn't support it I have a few options.

Navigate to the site on my tablet, then send the media via "play to".

or

If using a tablet/phone as a mouse/keyboard via smartglass while browsing, you can hit "play here" in the contextual menu on the tablet to "send" the current web page to the tablet which opens it up in IE and snaps the smartglass app to the side. Then do the "play to" thing to send whatever video you want to watch to the XB1.

Works with all flash stuff it seems.
 

old

Member
Didn't see anything about supporting Flash. Would like to be able to watch Bonus Round and other videos while gaming.
 

FordGTGuy

Banned
100% sure it won't be there.

It has HTML5 and flash support.

HTML5 will be supported on the Xbox One, with a browser experience somewhat like Windows 8. Flash functionality will be included, but HTML5 will be the main focus. You’ll still be able to use Flash-supported sites without problem though.

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-new-...-developers-loving-system-sdk-and-performance

Would be a lot better if it wasn't behind a monthly pay wall.

Same can be said for a lot of things but that monthly paywall of $5 does a lot to help them improve these services.

Anyway anyone buying a Xbox One should be buying gold anyway.
 

ShapeGSX

Member
Since there is no YouTube app at launch, I'm definitely going to be using the web browser for that. It will sure beat using it on my DirecTV DVR.

I do wonder why there is no YouTube app on either console. Microsoft didn't even list it in the apps that are arriving by spring. Hopefully Google isn't going to try to snub these new consoles so people buy their solutions instead.
 

Special C

Member
I use IE 11 on my Surface pro 2 and it is the best tablet browsing experience I've ever had. MS did wonders with it. I even use it when I'm in mouse/kb mode over desktop IE 11.

I'm hoping they are going to be able to do just a good job on the X1 browser.
 

xn0

Member

old

Member
Since there is no YouTube app at launch, I'm definitely going to be using the web browser for that. It will sure beat using it on my DirecTV DVR.

I do wonder why there is no YouTube app on either console. Microsoft didn't even list it in the apps that are arriving by spring. Hopefully Google isn't going to try to snub these new consoles so people buy their solutions instead.

If IE is fully functional as a desktop browser replacement, then I don't need an app for Netflix, Youtube, Pandora...etc. I just need to go their websites in the browser.

But a specialized app could help create a more streamlined console-based experience.
 

xn0

Member

There is a difference between insecure policy where you have to have something installed on the machine in order to grab insecurely stored information (a problem nearly every browser has) vs. a browser that has inherent vulnerabilities allowing attackers to easily bypass security controls remotely and more importantly execute remote code on your system. Over 80% of malware for instance comes over the web and a majority of that happens over browser vulnerabilities to which by comparison Chrome is much more secure.
 

SPDIF

Member
I would like to point out that Chrome is year over year increasing where Firefox is decreasing. By the end of next year Chrome will likely be the second most utilized browser by a couple of points and more importantly Chrome is still the most secure browser on the market:
http://files.accuvant.com/web/files/AccuvantBrowserSecCompar_FINAL.pdf

That's a report from 2011. If you do a few searches you may be shocked to discover that IE11 is actually just as, if not more, secure than Chrome.
 
It has HTML5 and flash support.



http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-new-...-developers-loving-system-sdk-and-performance



Same can be said for a lot of things but that monthly paywall of $5 does a lot to help them improve these services.

Anyway anyone buying a Xbox One should be buying gold anyway.

HTML5 will be supported on the Xbox One, with a browser experience somewhat like Windows 8. Flash functionality will be included, but HTML5 will be the main focus. You’ll still be able to use Flash-supported sites without problem though.
Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-new-...ystem-sdk-and-performance#ibcGoMY5zfSegDp9.99

Sweet!!

So that means that even if there is no iPlayer app on launch day, you can still use iPlayer.

I want to be 100% excited but I feel like I should believe it when I see it.

Please tell me it supports SilverLight so I can stream Sky.

That would literally be a dream come true, which is why it probably won't happen.

Microsoft don't even support Silverlight for Windows RT. Hell they don't even give their metro IE browser Silverlight support in full Windows 8. I'd love for it to happen, but I don't think it will.
 

xn0

Member
That's a report from 2011. If you do a few searches you may be shocked to discover that IE11 is actually just as, if not more, secure than Chrome.

Yes IE11 is more secure than IE9 which was tested in that paper however the tests still hold up and I can tell you from a security standpoint that IE11 is not as secure as Chrome, both from a implemented security standpoint but also from a support (time to patch a vulnerability) standpoint as well.
 

SPDIF

Member
Yes IE11 is more secure than IE9 which was tested in that paper however the tests still hold up and I can tell you from a security standpoint that IE11 is not as secure as Chrome, both from a implemented security standpoint but also from a support (time to patch a vulnerability) standpoint as well.

Time to patch, I'll agree with. But the bolded is false. They both use very good sandboxing techniques (especially IE11). And last time I checked IE 10 and 11 both block more malware than any other browser, including Chrome.

While Chrome’s malware download protection improved significantly - rising to more than 83% from 70% in NSS’ October 2012 comparative test - Internet Explorer 10 continues to outperform the other browsers with a block rate of 99.96%.

http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=2493
 
Anyone see this comment on that page:

The Internet Explorer team here in Redmond is so excited for this launch, we want to hook you guys up and get you playing online. We’ve got two Xbox One consoles we want to give away. Sorry folks outside the U.S., we have to keep this to the fifty states for this giveaway.

Each Xbox One consoles comes with a one-year Xbox Live subscription. Here’s how to get in on this:

Live in the United States
With new Internet Explorer on Xbox One, your favorite websites just work. Send us a tweet that includes the @IE handle and the hashtag #IEonXboxOne telling us about what you’re excited to experience in Internet Explorer for Xbox One.
We’ll announce the two lucky winners picked at random on the @IE twitter handle at 6 p.m. on Thursday, Nov. 21. And we’ll ship you your sweet prize within two weeks.


Each console comes with a free year of Live?
 

Chocolate & Vanilla

Fuck Strawberry
As a web developer nothing you can say about IE will repair the years of excruciating abuse I have suffered. Give me Firefox any day. Xbone IE looks pretty slick with the voice control though.
 

FordGTGuy

Banned
There is a difference between insecure policy where you have to have something installed on the machine in order to grab insecurely stored information (a problem nearly every browser has) vs. a browser that has inherent vulnerabilities allowing attackers to easily bypass security controls remotely and more importantly execute remote code on your system. Over 80% of malware for instance comes over the web and a majority of that happens over browser vulnerabilities to which by comparison Chrome is much more secure.

It's also going to vary wildly depending on the add-ons you use.
 

xn0

Member
Time to patch, I'll agree with. But the bolded is false. They both use very good sandboxing techniques. And last time I checked IE 10 and 11 both block more malware than any other browser, including Chrome.



http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=2493

First, I wouldn't trust anything from NSS labs, and second as someone that researches malware for a living and discovers vulnerabilities, I can write a huge TLDR post on both why not to trust that test and why Chrome is more secure than IE11.
 

SPDIF

Member
First, I wouldn't trust anything from NSS labs, and second as someone that researches malware for a living and discovers vulnerabilities, I can write a huge TLDR post on both why not to trust that test and why Chrome is more secure than IE11.

Well what a coincidence, I used to do that as well. Though not for a living. You can spare me the post about NSS labs, since I know what you'll probably write. Still, I would be interested in this huge TLDR post on why Chrome is more secure than IE11.
 

IRQ

Banned
Would be so nice to not have to rely on those apps though.

For instance, BBC iPlayer won't be available at launch, but if flash was available we could happily just hit the iPlayer site and be done with it.

edit: Yep just tested to make sure.

I can browse to the iPlayer website on my tablet, start playing a TV show and hit "Play to 360" in the charms menu. So I can still actually view iPlayer content with the XB1 without requiring the app. That basically goes for all flash content.

So technically, if I go to a site that needs flash and the console doesn't support it I have a few options.

Navigate to the site on my tablet, then send the media via "play to".

or

If using a tablet/phone as a mouse/keyboard via smartglass while browsing, you can hit "play here" in the contextual menu on the tablet to "send" the current web page to the tablet which opens it up in IE and snaps the smartglass app to the side. Then do the "play to" thing to send whatever video you want to watch to the XB1.

Works with all flash stuff it seems.

Can you please explain to me how do you play site to xbox 360 from smartglass or tablet?

Edit: I got it :D
 

Dunlop

Member
Would be a lot better if it wasn't behind a monthly pay wall.

Wish I did not have to pay for cable, utilities and they would just offer me free gas at the pump

Stuff like this is how they try and validate the cost of their services
 

xn0

Member
Well what a coincidence, I used to do that as well. Though not for a living. You can spare me the post about NSS labs, since I know what you'll probably write. Still, I would be interested in this huge TLDR post on why Chrome is more secure than IE11.

The fact that there are more and easier bugs found in the IE code base than Chrome is somewhat debatable but the TLDR version of my point would be the difficulty to write a working exploit for IE11 vs. Chrome is easier. It always comes down to where the bug exists, but from an attacking standpoint it was easier to bypass IE11's security (and sandbox) vs Chrome's in every case I've experienced.
 

GavinGT

Banned
I really didn't expect Flash support for the browser. That's huge for me. Now I just need an option to zoom in and out of webpages.
 

Prologue

Member
No matter what platform you're buying this year neither are going to make you exactly happy with the paywalls.

I'm actually fine with most of Sony's features. I've been a live member for 5 years. I just don't like that they think they could be as important as my cable subscription. If the TV function wasn't behind a paywall, I would feel more encourage to make xbox my central media hub in the living room, even if I was going to pay for it anyway.

I know that might not make a lot of sense, I guess its just the principal that bothers me.
 

SPDIF

Member
The fact that there are more and easier bugs found in IE codebase than Chrome is somewhat debatable but the TLDR version of my point would be the difficulty to write a working exploit for IE11 vs. Chrome is easier. It always comes down to where the bug exists, but from an attacking standpoint it was easier to bypass IE11's security (and sandbox) vs Chrome's in every case I've experienced.

Well I was expecting a much more in depth post than that. You didn't even provide a POC ;)

I don't think we're ever going to agree, so we might as well just agree to disagree. One thing I think we can agree on though is that they're both very secure browsers, and the average user would be very well protected using either one. Right?
 
Can you please explain to me how do you play site to xbox 360 from smartglass or tablet?

I'm using a Windows 8 tablet. If you don't have one, you could use a laptop.

Its actually pretty easy tbh, the smartglass method I posted was pretty convoluted.

The simple method is:

-Open metro version of internet explorer.

-Go to whatever site you want to go to and start playing the video.

-Open the charms menu (top/bottom right coners or press Windows+C)

-Click "Devices".

-Click "Play"

-Click on "Xbox 360"

And it will start playing whatever media you are playing (youtube vide/BBC iPlayer video etc) on the 360.


The smart glass method I explained was a workaround for if you're browsing on the XB1 and come across a page that requires flash to view a video for instance.

While using smartglass as a mouse/keyboard for 360 internet explorer, you can swipe up from the botton of the screen/right click to bring up a menu.

One of the options in the menu is the "play here" option, which snaps smartglass to the side and opens up the current web page your 360 is showing in metro Internet Explorer. You can then use the same method as above to start streaming the content from that site onto your 360.


Its a bit long winded, especially to explain, but it seems to be a fix for a problem that hopefully doesn't exist now Major Nelson has said XB1 supports flash.

We'll see.

Edit: I got it :D

FFFFUUUUUUUUUU GIVE ME MY FIVE MINUTES OF MY LIFE BACK!!!!!!!!!
 
This is pretty comprehensive integration. I like.

The more I see stuff like this, the more I think including Kinect was a really smart move. They've really done a good job integrating it throughout the whole system, and we'll be benefitting from some of that on day one. Who knows how it improves games, but it most definitely appears to vastly improve the experience with an Xbox One.
 

M3d10n

Member
But... can it run Salty Belt? Oh God, the idea of running Salty Belt snapped while playing a game is... terrifying.
 

IRQ

Banned
I'm using a Windows 8 tablet. If you don't have one, you could use a laptop.

Its actually pretty easy tbh, the smartglass method I posted was pretty convoluted.

The simple method is:

-Open metro version of internet explorer.

-Go to whatever site you want to go to and start playing the video.

-Open the charms menu (top/bottom right coners or press Windows+C)

-Click "Devices".

-Click "Play"

-Click on "Xbox 360"

And it will start playing whatever media you are playing (youtube vide/BBC iPlayer video etc) on the 360.


The smart glass method I explained was a workaround for if you're browsing on the XB1 and come across a page that requires flash to view a video for instance.

While using smartglass as a mouse/keyboard for 360 internet explorer, you can swipe up from the botton of the screen/right click to bring up a menu.

One of the options in the menu is the "play here" option, which snaps smartglass to the side and opens up the current web page your 360 is showing in metro Internet Explorer. You can then use the same method as above to start streaming the content from that site onto your 360.


Its a bit long winded, especially to explain, but it seems to be a fix for a problem that hopefully doesn't exist now Major Nelson has said XB1 supports flash.

We'll see.



FFFFUUUUUUUUUU GIVE ME MY FIVE MINUTES OF MY LIFE BACK!!!!!!!!!

Sorry man. I actually did not get it :( I thought I did so I was browsing the nett for answers and Your replay came along :)

Still, I have one problem. When I click on Devices the 360 is not there :(

But I can find it under Devices if I play local videos on my Laptop. Never knew it was this easy. I appreciate your help :) You taught me something today :p
 

Except that it actually is secure, and the only people up in arms about that are a) looking for perceived security, and not real security, and b) continue to ignore that every other browser is just as, if not less "secure" than Chrome with regards to the same feature.

That's a report from 2011. If you do a few searches you may be shocked to discover that IE11 is actually just as, if not more, secure than Chrome.

I would definitely be shocked to learn that, since it's not true. IE 11 may very well beat Chrome on many things, but security is not one of them.
 

SPDIF

Member
I would definitely be shocked to learn that, since it's not true. IE 11 may very well beat Chrome on many things, but security is not one of them.

I've already discussed this up above. Read my posts there, and if you have anything to add that can convince me that IE11 is less secure than Chrome, then please post it.
 

bryehn

Member
This.

By ignoring touch on Windows 8, Google have literally allowed MS to convert me into a full time IE user.

I've never used Win8 on a touch device, but I think Chrome is fine on Android and sufficient enough on iOS, what is missing from the Win8 version?
 

FordGTGuy

Banned
I'm actually fine with most of Sony's features. I've been a live member for 5 years. I just don't like that they think they could be as important as my cable subscription. If the TV function wasn't behind a paywall, I would feel more encourage to make xbox my central media hub in the living room, even if I was going to pay for it anyway.

I know that might not make a lot of sense, I guess its just the principal that bothers me.

Music and Video streaming paywall?

I'm not trying to start anything but I'm not fine with that at all.

Except that it actually is secure, and the only people up in arms about that are a) looking for perceived security, and not real security, and b) continue to ignore that every other browser is just as, if not less "secure" than Chrome with regards to the same feature.

Pretty sure I read Chrome is the only browser that does this.
 
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