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[lh032]

umm ... the BIG difference is that SONY, MS, NINTENDO will make certain (most of the time lol) That the games release will run decently on the hardware. The Steam Deck just gives you the hardware without any real assurance if the game you want will run or not.

yea this is what I thought as well.
Since its basically a PC, its very hard to know which games will run well under which settings. Unless Steam decided to add a Steamdeck settings for every single games on steam library lol

 

[cireza]

Portable PS4 with a SSD called PS4go would be so cool. I would buy it ASAP.

Somebody explain to these people that they need to stop vertically aligning the buttons and sticks. This is not how the thumb moves.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Number 10.
this is the 10th Steam Deck thread I've ignored.
let me mention gamepass maybe that will force it into its own thread.

 

[SirTerry-T]

I agree. It would have been if god's themselves answered the call and put it in player's hands. There would have been music and festivities around the world. Elation and euphoria would have filled the streets...

... but then the console fanboy wakes up to Gabe sleeping right beside them... naked... with his Steam Deck on top of them... offering free online, regional pricing, the most popular storefront in the world with MS and Sony games already on them... say what? Emulate everything? Oh lord...

... the screams would have been harrowing and bloodcurdling because the rabid fanboy can't see past Phil's or Jim's fingers rammed down their anal cavity... that brand loyalty... a Nintendo fan is already having seizures on the floor looking at the Gabe Gear with the old rival flame of Sega and Nintendo becoming a nightmare through sheer aesthetics... he died that night.

I completely understand you OP.

Rammed up, surely?

 

[IDKFA]

Nope. I wouldn't be excited for a new portable console from Sony or MS.

However, I'm hyped for the steam deck. It'll allow me to access my full steam library and play some of my all time classic games (Dawn of War, Med 2 Total War etc) on the go, plus new games as well. Also, since it's an open platform, I won't be locked to Steam and can buy from GOG or Epic.

Oh, and the added bonus of plugging it into a monitor and using it like a PC is just amazing.

 

[M.W.]

We are going wild though? There's multiple threads about this everyday.

 

[mxbison]

Yes, if Microsoft anncouned this thing as a mobile Gamepass machine people here would go absolutely nuts calling it a new age of gaming etc. etc.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Remember the Vita?

Anyway the Steamdeck is just a GPD win but gamers gonna hype.

 

[vkbest]

I disagree part of the appeal of Steam Deck is massive steam library and emulation. If Sony made something similar it wouldn't work as developers would have to port games so the lineup games would be a few not 1000s like Steam.

According to Proton DB not even the half of steam library is working, and many games need modifications to get working. Steam Deck is running on Linux, so the games are running with Proton (Wine)

Second, that hardware could emulate PS4 and working better. So, if Sony would want to release a portable system could have PS4 full library.

 

[GuinGuin]

If it was made by them then every game would have specific optimizations for the hardware so it would punch above its weight. The only interesting thing about it however is how it is compatible with many PC games which gives it decades of games to play from day one.

 

[FranXico]

For Sony: you'd get people petrified that the system would cannibalize their strong first parties.

If it was a device from Sony, how would it cannibalize their first party?

 

[TheGodfather07]

Excitement from hardcore gaming forums means jack shit anyway. People were hyped for vita yet it completely tanked.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

People are forgetting there have been quite a few of these pc hybrid handhelds. Sure Valve's looks better but just 3 months ago Linus reviewed another one of these. They are out there but price point or build quality arent reaching mainstream market.

 

[UnNamed]

Portable device with Gamepass or Playstation exclusives? Yes if course.

 

[Fafalada]

Second, that hardware could emulate PS4 and working better. So, if Sony would want to release a portable system could have PS4 full library.

You'll have to explain this a bit better - how exactly would PS4 emulation work better on hw this underpowered?
Also compatibility of emulating complete hw-stack being 'easier' than OS virtualization isn't really how it works either.

 

[martino]

There is plenty of hype around the Steam Deck, but there are enough unknowns that people are a little skeptical about it.

This.

 

[Yoshi]

Would it also be a console then or just a PC?

 

[FranXico]

Portable device with Gamepass or Playstation exclusives? Yes if course.

This one will have both

 

[Haggard]

The steam Deck is just a low end budget PC and there have been other portable PCs with this form factor already. A gaming laptop with a BT controller can do everything the deck can, just better.
Nothing about it is exciting.... It is an answer to a question nobody asked.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

No. The PSP and PSVita didn't fare so wel. PSP did solidly at first, but ended up getting smashed by the DS, I think. I can't remember which Nintendo handheld was out at the time, but it got murdered. I had a PSP, and loved it. However, the handheld market is a different beats. Games should be easy to hop in and out of. Not sure that works for the narrative-driven first party Sony games. Also, the kind of games that PS gamers enjoy don't necessarily lend themselves that well to handhelds. I imagine the FPS-heavy Xbox lineup isn't going to be all that great on handheld either.

Nintendo has etched their name on the sector. It's going to be hard to wrest control away from them, or even compete with them. So while Sony and MS might garner more enthusiastic responses on forums like this one, the mainstream gamer will dictate their failure or success. I just don't think the appeal is there.

 

[Shmunter]

I'd be pretty pissed if Sony brought out a PS4 powered device needing support for years. We want to put underpowered tech behind us for the better part.

If Sony is to do a portable, it needs to be a around the home handheld streaming device complementing the PS5. That wifi6 chip in there is twiddling it's thumbs.

 

[Esppiral]

Absolutely agree with you OP, people don't buy things based on features theiy do based on logos.

 

[M1chl]

But it's kind of is portable Xbox machine, since you can install GamePass app...

 

[Ritsumei2020]

Wouldn't it better to first wait and see how it actually plays before going crazy?

 

[Graciaus]

That's because Gaf is a console dominated site.

Now it is huge for what it can do. But I wouldn't use it so I personally don't care.

 

[Fess]

Yup. And it would still be a worse product since you wouldn't have PC games and an open platform for other stores, mods and emulators.

 

[MrFunSocks]

No. The PSP and PSVita didn't fare so wel. PSP did solidly at first, but ended up getting smashed by the DS, I think. I can't remember which Nintendo handheld was out at the time, but it got murdered. I had a PSP, and loved it. However, the handheld market is a different beats. Games should be easy to hop in and out of. Not sure that works for the narrative-driven first party Sony games. Also, the kind of games that PS gamers enjoy don't necessarily lend themselves that well to handhelds. I imagine the FPS-heavy Xbox lineup isn't going to be all that great on handheld either.

Nintendo has etched their name on the sector. It's going to be hard to wrest control away from them, or even compete with them. So while Sony and MS might garner more enthusiastic responses on forums like this one, the mainstream gamer will dictate their failure or success. I just don't think the appeal is there.

Agree, but just wanted to pull you up on one point - Xbox first party isn't "FPS-heavy". Before they bought zenimax im pretty sure the only FPS on their books was halo.

 

[sunnysideup]

I would buy an playstation portable, if it allowed me to play my ps4/5 games on it

To me thats what makes the deck so appealing.. I dont have to buy the games twice. And i dont have to buy crappy handheld games.


Honestly im hyped as fuck for the deck. I think its going to be the greatest handheld ever made.

 

[STARSBarry]

The main issue people are missing here is that Sony and Microsoft would develop exclusive titles just for steam deck based on it's exact specs.

However what your effectively getting is a platform that plays PC games which of course due to the multiple hardware configurations are no where near as well optimised. This means while it could be argued to have more power per pixel than an Xbox Series X targeting 4k it won't reach that because of the limitations of it essentially being a handheld PC without its own exclusively optimised titles built from the ground up for it.

And while this sucks, I have a PC and a laptop already so the want for this sort of device is very limited.

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

I wholeheartedly believe if the Steam Deck had a PS logo or Xbox logo on it instead, I bet there would be considerably less naysayers.

How many freaking people have asked for a portable Xbox. Well guess what, that's essentially what the Steam Deck is, but it's better as it isn't just confined to Xbox games but all PC games throughout the ages.

What's not to love. Oh besides, it not having Nintendo games (obviously, but we still get those stupid comments).

I wouldn't say wild….more cautiously excited, do you not remember the price of vita cards?

 

[acm2000]

not with that battery life they wouldnt, also the $399 base model is next to useless with eMMC memory.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Agreed.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Didn't Animal Crossing sold like 20 million copies? MUH POWER MUH GRAPHICS

 

[Ritsumei2020]

If one wanted to be nasty, you could argue that the steam Deck lets you play your existing steam collection for an additional $500 but at 720p.

I am not that guy, but if Sony and MS did the same they would be criticised for it.

 

[DenchDeckard]

it looks like there is quite a bit of hype around it to be honest?

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

If Sony made something similar it wouldn't work as developers would have to port games so the lineup games would be a few not 1000s like Steam.

GAF's Sony zealots have made it pretty clear that they don't care for PlayStation having thousands of games as long as they have the exclusives.

 

[kyliethicc]

Portable PS4 with a SSD called PS4go would be so cool. I would buy it ASAP.

But So? Why do you feel so insecure about this? Steam Deck is just a gaming laptop. Instead of a keyboard its a controller. Why do you care that Playstation or Xbox(Nintendo) are more popular? Why, how does that effect your purchase?

I am personally am getting the steam deck for my sister. She plays PC centric games. Idk how useful it is with a mouse. I mainly play playstation exclusives.

I'd prefer Sony to build a PS4 inside a ~ 13" 1080p tablet and let us just a DualShock 4 to play. Basically a portable version of the home console experience. I don't want another PlayStation version of a GameBoy/Switch (like PSP, PS Vita). Doesn't fit the PS4 game library as well.

 

[brian0057]

You cannot get an entry-level gaming laptop that can compete with this for the price

You do know that laptops with Ryzen 3 APUs exist, don't you? They're like $450 on Amazon.
If you don't think dropping down in-game settings is heresy, there's an option.

 

[vkbest]

You'll have to explain this a bit better - how exactly would PS4 emulation work better on hw this underpowered?
Also compatibility of emulating complete hw-stack being 'easier' than OS virtualization isn't really how it works either.

I'm talking about official Sony portable with this hardware. CPU is better than Jaguar, and GPU its similar but more modern. They have working their emulating layer with PS5 already

Sony have easier to get PS4 (or MS with xbox) games working in this hardware than full Steam library, unless they get a license from MS Windows, instead using a wine layer.

 

[Griffon]

It's just NeoGAF being a console peasant forum, as usual.

I, for one, wouldn't be giving a flying shit about the handheld if it was a Sony or Xbox branded one. I like my OS open.

 

[Kokoloko85]

I havent seen any naysayers. Seems to have had a positive reaction.

Yeah an Xbox portable or PSP3 would be more hype if they have all the current library downgraded for portable

 

[Skifi28]

If it was an Xbox or Playstation platform, people would know games would just work. Being given a PC with Linux where we have no idea how well it'll work or how much tinkering will be required, it's very different.

Honestly, I'd rather stick with a laptop or switch for portable gaming.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Steam Deck may end like Steam Machines. Or may not.

 

[SLB1904]

Yep just like vita

 

[DustQueen]

I wholeheartedly believe if the Steam Deck had a PS logo or Xbox logo on it instead, I bet there would be considerably less naysayers.

How many freaking people have asked for a portable Xbox. Well guess what, that's essentially what the Steam Deck is, but it's better as it isn't just confined to Xbox games but all PC games throughout the ages.

What's not to love. Oh besides, it not having Nintendo games (obviously, but we still get those stupid comments).

I think being on forums too much melted your brain.
Cos there is no other explanation for this pointless opinion about the problem that does not exist.

 

[ReBurn]

If it was an Xbox or Playstation platform, people would know games would just work. Being given a PC with Linux where we have no idea how well it'll work or how much tinkering will be required, it's very different.

Honestly, I'd rather stick with a laptop or switch for portable gaming.

I don't think that Linux out of the box is a negative. There appears to be pretty ok Linux support on Steam and Proton is enabling more and more Windows games.

I agree that we need to wait and see how this is going to actually play games. But the resolution is going to make a lot of games way more possible at this spec. Hopefully a lot of the tinkering is reduced with the new OS. But tinkering is a way of life for PC gamers. They're not going to be put off by tinkering.

 

[FranXico]

The Deck is great news for Linux gaming.

I also recommend people keep an eye out for GamerOS, it's another nice fork.

 

[Fafalada]

I'm talking about official Sony portable with this hardware. CPU is better than Jaguar, and GPU its similar but more modern. They have working their emulating layer with PS5 already

That's assuming GPU subsystem capable of running games unmodified at original performance, I'm not convinced that's the case with Steam Deck hardware, though of course console makers could go with something stronger.

Still a smaller library to Steam's 10s of thousands of titles (and addition of other PC compatible SW) but I agree there's certain appeal to being able to carry the library with you no matter the platform. The real question is how many people actually want a (non-Switch) device like this outside of game forum enthusiasts like us. Sony probably isn't itching to have another go after the last 2 times...

 

[custardbun01]

Maybe cos I haven't trawled reactions around GAF long enough but I haven't seen a lot of negativity directed at it. Personally I really want one. The Switch has always been an attractive proposition to me as a somewhat powerful handheld with full console games on it but it's just been that little bit underpowered to me the play the games I wanna play. But this answers all those questions.

I actually hope it's really successful and spurs Sony to release a PSP/Vita successor with enough power to run proper games (namely Gran Turismo. I want a portable full blow Gran Turismo. I'd be happy with GT6 with updated graphics and a few extra cars).

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Yep, but this forum loves their walled gardens. I love how they are OK with running games at 360p on a Switch but they demand the Steam Deck to be able to handle next gen only games at high resolutions.

I want a full 32" of 4k OLED goodness on my portable console!