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[Baemono]

and cramps my pinkies after a little while

You need potassium

 

[Zathalus]

Eh, this is not really what I saw, it's pretty neck and neck. It's like PS5 to Series X comparisons where there are like 1-2 fps difference.

While true, the Switch is upscaling with DLSS from quite a bit lower resolution, while the Steam Deck is native 720p. And while DLSS is impressive, native generally offers better image quality at resolutions this low.

 

[Topher]

Same pricepoint and most popular handheld

DF has done PC comparisons to PS5 in the past. No different than what I'm talking about.

 

[FireFly]

So all the talk about Switch 2 needing lower than low crowd density was complete rubbish.

 

[Buggy Loop]

The weight difference is a mere 80g.

Magnets, mechanical interface and batteries for joycons add up.

 

[Baemono]

While true, the Switch is upscaling with DLSS from quite a bit lower resolution, while the Steam Deck is native 720p. And while DLSS is impressive, native generally offers better image quality at resolutions this low.

I understand your point, but it looks to me you're saying « yes but DLSS », which can be argued against « yes but 9w vs 24w ».

Anyway, I think I've seen all the opinions on the matter (most of them are correct)

 

[Kilau]

Steam Deck is not that heavy and is way more comfortable to hold. Switch 2 is too thin in the back and cramps my pinkies after a little while. I need to get some grips for the joy cons.

Switch 2 is definitely not what I would call comfortable for long stretches in portable mode, it's just a little awkward because of the nature of the joycons.

 

[Baemono]

DF has done PC comparisons to PS5 in the past. No different than what I'm talking about.

Or maybe they're reading us

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Honestly I would have loved to see against ps4/ps4pro comparisons to get a good benchmark against last gen consoles instead of ps5.

 

[Topher]

Switch 2 is definitely not what I would call comfortable for long stretches in portable mode, it's just a little awkward because of the nature of the joycons.

That's why grips are so popular

 

[Kilau]

That's why grips are so popular

Yeah didn't you post some in the OT? I've been thinking about getting some.

 

[Topher]

Yeah didn't you post some in the OT? I've been thinking about getting some.

Yeah. Satisfye and Savage Raven seem to be the best right now. Amazon no names are shit. dbrand apparently has problems

 

[tr1p1ex]

Test also depends on how optimized S2 version is in comparison. S2 version just came out.

 

[bender]

rodrigolfp in shambles.

 

[Romulus]

Isn't Switch 2 the only existing handheld with DLSS?

I think so. So yeah you could pretty much throw anything out there in a modern form and it would outdo the older platforms without DLSS.

 

[LordOcidax]

Ah shit, here we go again

Video 65 from DF about Cyberpunk

 

[rodrigolfp]

rodrigolfp in shambles.

Why? Look at the handheld mode test.

 

[FalconPunch]

It benefits the user from the get go because the device is cheaper to manufacture across the board and the architecture is more easily scalable, meaning that we can actually get a Switch 2 OLED with the chip running on all cylinders later at a decent price. I do think going with TSMC 6nm or lower would have been better, but this speaks wonders of Nvidia's cook.

The problem is that the Switch 2 is not cheaper though. The Mario kart bundle costs more than the steam deck Oled in my country. A cool $700 dollars so if valve can get the steam deck Oled on tsmc 6nm out cheaper than what Nintendo is charging, I go back to my original question. How does it benefit me?

Now if we factor in ecosystem costs, the switch 2 is way way more expensive than the steam deck Oled due to overpriced games, paying for online, overpriced accessories, etc. Theoretically, your point is correct. In practice however, we can see that it's not the case.

As for Nvidia, they did a good job but they mostly also do a good job. They he switch 2 also doesn't have to deal with x86 so that's where a majority of its power savings come from.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Disagree on the Steam Deck, sold mine because it was such a cumbersome, lugubrious beast to use.

I haven't used a Switch 2 yet.

While the Switch 2 is the best Nintendo handheld for comfort to date for normal sized adulted humans. Although bigger the SteamDeck is just easier to hold for longer durations, ie not as cramped. Its a tradeoff being svelte vs comfort.

Edit: lol forgot to add important word Nintendo

 

[LordOcidax]

- When Deck is set to run at a similar power draw (9.1w) the Deck's performance drops to 9.2fps. On the Kabuki test the average fps is 13 while Switch 2 runs this sequence at mostly locked 30fps with a big resolution advantage.

 

[FalconPunch]

While the Switch 2 is the best Nintendo handheld for comfort to date for normal sized adulted humans. Although bigger the SteamDeck is just easier to hold for longer durations, ie not as cramped. Its a tradeoff being svelte vs comfort.

Edit: lol forgot to add important word Nintendo

Yea, the switch 2 looks sleek but it's not comfortable at all. It's an improvement from the og switch but I'd argue that the 3ds xl might be Nintendos most comfortable handheld. FPS, racing games and sports games just bad to play on the switch 2 just as it was on the og switch.

 

[Onironauta]

I also have a handheld PC and no plan to buy a Switch 2

But let's be real, as a handheld device Switch 2 is much better than Steam Deck

Steam Deck had a tiny screen compared to its overall size and is a lot thicker

Of course, PC library and emulators make it a better machine overall, but that's another topic

 

[rodrigolfp]

Of course, PC library and emulators make it a better machine overall, but that's another topic

Do you buy a gaming machine only to admire the size of the screen and the thickness???

 

[Dampf]

Lower geometry than PS4.. That's bad. Very bad.

 

[El Muerto]

A new arm processor is faster and more power efficient than an x86 apu from 6 years ago???

 

[Guardian Monkey]

I also have a handheld PC and no plan to buy a Switch 2

But let's be real, as a handheld device Switch 2 is much better than Steam Deck

Steam Deck had a tiny screen compared to its overall size and is a lot thicker

Of course, PC library and emulators make it a better machine overall, but that's another topic

The switch/2 is for travel is the easier one to cope with no doubt, home use though steam deck size is non issue for me.

 

[Dacvak]

Wow, the Switch 2 version performs way better than I expected. Blows the Steam Deck out of the water, even at a much lower power draw. That T239 really is a little beast. DLSS is a huge boon, too.

I still don't really want to play Cyberpunk at 30fps, but color me surprised. It's way more viable on Switch 2 than I thought.

 

[Dacvak]

Maybe when Rog Ally has "Xbox" in its name then DF will use newer PC hardware in their comparisons. I have no problem with these results, but knowing there is more powerful hardware available and ignored doesn't make sense

Same. I'm hoping the Xbox Ally X shows a significant jump compared to the Steam Deck, but the standard Xbox Ally has an almost-identical SoC as the Steam Deck, so it'll be pretty similar I'd guess. It really shows how ahead of its time the Steam Deck was at that price point.

I'm way more interested in a Steam Deck 2, but I don't think we'll see that for a few years. More than likely, the next iteration of the Steam Deck would be a Zen 4 with RDNA 3, and that SoC won't be viable for Valve for at least another 2 years at best, but it would be a true "generational" leap at probably 30-50% CPU gains and like double GPU gains.

We'll see that hardware come sooner with other PC handhelds, I'm sure, but it won't be at that Steam-subsidized pricing Valve offered for the OG Deck. But who knows, maybe Microsoft will surprise us with wildly low pricing on the Ally X.

 

[Kurt]

Good to see even more proof that switch 2 completly destroy the steamdeck in docked mode. Not even close. Its also crunch the ps4 pro with this game.


Lets see what games we can have after 2y. As these are still launch games and dlss keep improving + the extra free core and mem nintendo is going to push.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Good to see even more proof that switch 2 completly destroy the steamdeck in docked mode.

Worse graphics settings.

Completely destroy.

Pick one.

 

[Kataploom]

Worse graphics settings.

Completely destroy.

Pick one.

Hmmm I'd get handheld mode being similar between each other, but docked? There's no way Steam Deck is ever comparable, don't be delusional, we already know specs and what devs say about it, not to mention we have tons of tests

 

[rodrigolfp]

Hmmm I'd get handheld mode being between each other, but docked? There's no way Steam Deck is ever comparable, don't be delusional, we already know specs and what devs say about it, not to mention we have tons of tests

Delusional? We have videos and even in this thread showing the worse graphic assets. You blind??

 

[kevboard]

really, the main takeaway here is that Nvidia shits all over AMD.

older architecture, worse outdated production node, yet still a more than a league above AMD's RDNA2

 

[Jesb]

One of the advantages deck has is you could play this over GFN and have the far superior experience. I get that we're comparing raw power of each system but this is one of the selling points on why I bought a deck.

 

[kevboard]

One of the advantages deck has is you could play this over GFN and have the far superior experience. I get that we're comparing raw power of each system but this is one of the selling points on why I bought a deck.

uh... you're aware that GeForce Now also works on basically any mobile device right?
that's a bit of a weird usecase for the Steam Deck. I'd just get a clipon controller for my phone if that was what I wanted to use

 

[Cyberpunkd]

So long story short if you don't try to be an edge lord and compare docked with SD handheld:

It's fairly the same.

But the SD came out 3 years before + infinite better customization options.

 

[Sebastian1295]

The switch 2 should be compared to the ps5, series s, and x. Stop comparing it to anything else at this juncture. We should see the cutbacks that the switch 2 has to deal with in regards to other machines that are mainstream. That would be a fair comparison.

 

[rodrigolfp]

uh... you're aware that GeForce Now also works on basically any mobile device right?

That includes the Switch 2?

 

[Raven77]

B-b-b-bu-but the Switch 2 sucks! It's underpowered!

Nobody enjoying it should be! Did you see the ghosting on the screen!!!

 

[Kataploom]

The switch 2 should be compared to the ps5, series s, and x. Stop comparing it to anything else at this juncture. We should see the cutbacks that the switch 2 has to deal with in regards to other machines that are mainstream. That would be a fair comparison.

OP has a comparison table between Switch 2 and PS5 graphical settings, it's from the video

 

[Sebastian1295]

OP has a comparison table between Switch 2 and PS5 graphical settings, it's from the video

Not going to lie. I kinda skipped past it lol. In all honesty though the switch 2 is good enough for what it is and when you're playing these games on the switch 2, you're not going to be trying to notice every little detail imaginable. As long as performance is stable then that's all that matters for the majority of folks.

 

[Kataploom]

Not going to lie. I kinda skipped past it lol. In all honesty though the switch 2 is good enough for what it is and when you're playing these games on the switch 2, you're not going to be trying to notice every little detail imaginable.

Switch 2 version issues aren't even graphical, it's clearly how the CPU bottlenecks the performance, even on Docked it dips lower than SD mostly because of it, it doesn't have to do with its graphical capabilities which, colour me surprised, there are like a couple higher than PS5 Perf mode and several others the same.

I think if people is ok with 30 fps (I'm not) then this version can suite them well.

 

[Kurt]

Worse graphics settings.

Completely destroy.

Pick one.

Lol, people like you should let it go. We will get eventually a steamdeck 2.

 

[Sebastian1295]

Switch 2 version issues aren't even graphical, it's clearly how the CPU bottlenecks the performance, even on Docked it dips lower than SD mostly because of it, it doesn't have to do with its graphical capabilities which, colour me surprised, there are like a couple higher than PS5 Perf mode and several others the same.

I think if people is ok with 30 fps (I'm not) then this version can suite them well.

30fps is playable too me 'grew up on snes, 64, and gamecube games lol' but it's definitely not preferable. I always want a game to be 60fps locked cause it feels wayyyyyy better playing a game that way. However i do feel like the majority of switch 2 1st party games will be 60fps which is what matters most.

 

[Baemono]

Switch 2 version issues aren't even graphical, it's clearly how the CPU bottlenecks the performance, even on Docked it dips lower than SD mostly because of it, it doesn't have to do with its graphical capabilities which, colour me surprised, there are like a couple higher than PS5 Perf mode and several others the same.

I think if people is ok with 30 fps (I'm not) then this version can suite them well.

I'll play with 40fps mode, way nicer than 30

 

[rodrigolfp]

Lol, people like you should let it go. We will get eventually a Switch 3.

Ftfy.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Not going to lie. I kinda skipped past it lol. In all honesty though the switch 2 is good enough for what it is and when you're playing these games on the switch 2, you're not going to be trying to notice every little detail imaginable. As long as performance is stable then that's all that matters for the majority of folks.

So unlike so many on here this isn't you?

 

[kevboard]

That includes the Switch 2?

once it's softmodded, yes lol.

 

[bender]

Look at the handheld mode test.

I'm just here for you, huckleberry.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

I found it interesting to put the Steam Deck at 9 watt as the Switch, to see the framerate crashing completely

Utterly irrelevant, as thanks to the cheapskates that Nintendo are, the cheap ass, low capacity battery in the S2 lasts as long as the Steam Deck in spite of the 3 fold reduction in power consumption.