Punished Miku
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I think the plan is to keep updating the app. If they get it as polished as a console experience, any windows handheld would be the "xbox handheld."
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Jez Corden: Microsoft handheld will be a high-end, Steam deck like console
Crayon
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Lmao.
I asked because everything that is in the OP was said by SneakerSO in post - https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...ccording-to-jez-corden.1678510/post-269916140
Dam just realized this is verbatim copy and paste.
edit: my god turd in the punch bowl jfc I love it.
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Burger King
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High end = High Price
But the most interesting question is: will it be an Xbox Series P (portable) or will it run on Windows (and therefore will it also be able to run Steam)?
But the most interesting question is: will it be an Xbox Series P (portable) or will it run on Windows (and therefore will it also be able to run Steam)?
newtypepilot
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Draugoth is getting baited again. Bro needs a better bs filter.
DAHGAMING
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My sources tell me Phil will be dealing them out from hes house personaly, il be there day 1 
. Im sat here laughing at the balls Microsoft have, they just wont stop, they have won the console wars with power and games, now there gunning for all round gaming power by taking down steam. I hope theres a way for you all to move your Steam library to the Xbox store as I can see Valve shutting Steam down after the battering coming there way, I wonder if they will even bother with Steam Deck 2 now ? The team green war machine marches on, from mud, through blood, to the green fields beyond .
. Im sat here laughing at the balls Microsoft have, they just wont stop, they have won the console wars with power and games, now there gunning for all round gaming power by taking down steam. I hope theres a way for you all to move your Steam library to the Xbox store as I can see Valve shutting Steam down after the battering coming there way, I wonder if they will even bother with Steam Deck 2 now ? The team green war machine marches on, from mud, through blood, to the green fields beyond .
GHG
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My sources tell me Phil will be dealing them out from hes house personaly, il be there day 1
I love you man.
Thank you for everything you do.
Dr.Morris79
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If I didn't have a steam deck at airports I'd die.
ByWatterson
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So it's a ROG Ally
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
it will flop
Optimus Lime
(L3) + (R3) | Spartan rage activated
No Steam? No thanks.
HeisenbergFX4
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GHG
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Always was:
Meet Xbox: The Best Gaming Devices | Xbox
Discover all the ways you can play with Xbox. Learn how to play Xbox games on PC, phone, handheld systems, or smart TVs to find the best gaming device for you.
www.xbox.com
The handheld section:
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Why were you expecting otherwise? Xbox as a console platform is dead. MS is pivoting back to PC while possibly sticking with the Xbox brand name.
Kacho
Gold Member
Obviously Microsoft needs to be worried about SteamOS, but like... what happened to Google/Amazon being competition? Is their dreams of cloud gaming dominance kaput after Stadia failed?Lmao.
I asked because everything that is in the OP was said by SneakerSO in post - https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...ccording-to-jez-corden.1678510/post-269916140
GHG
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They will only go after that once the TAM is attractive enough and someone else is dominating so that they can copy their homework.
It's the Microsoft way.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
ByWatterson
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gooner4life_uk
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It won't be a PC handheld or desktop, I'm pretty sure of that, it cannibalises windows OEM sales, if Microsoft make a 1000 usd console that is also a windows PC that's good enough for high end console games why would Dell or HP or the rest of the PC Market bother? they will all ship with Linux because Microsoft will be eating into their sales.
ShadyAcshuns
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Just what the world needs: a Xbox Deck.
hououinkyouma00
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High end doesn’t have to mean it has a 4090 in it… high end could also be in reference to the design and build.
This was never going to be a REAL Xbox and was always going to be a handheld pc with a half baked “gaming front end” like the rest of the handheld Windows pcs.
DanielG165
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So will it be a beefier ROG Ally, but with the Xbox logo on it?
TropicanaTwista
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I get this isn't officially announced and maybe somethings are off but this sounds completely DoA and a waste of time. Who is the market for this?
Release dates may differ, but we just got a steam deal (plus other PC handhelds), switch 2 is around the corner, and now the rumored new PS handheld. I don't see why anyone, outside of die hard Xbox fans (which seems few and far between nowadays), would be interested in this. MS just needs to embrace 3rd party. They have a shit ton of studios with high profile IP. Just be good at that.
Release dates may differ, but we just got a steam deal (plus other PC handhelds), switch 2 is around the corner, and now the rumored new PS handheld. I don't see why anyone, outside of die hard Xbox fans (which seems few and far between nowadays), would be interested in this. MS just needs to embrace 3rd party. They have a shit ton of studios with high profile IP. Just be good at that.
Humdinger
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Over $1000 for the high-end unit.
$600-700 for the handheld.
That's per Sneakers, in the same thread.
It's both. They're going to offer two different hardware options, a handheld and a higher-priced PC hybrid. That's been rumored for some time.
Fwiw, Sneakers estimated 10-15 million - with the pricing being over $1000 (talking about sales of the high-end unit here, btw, not the handheld). It's all guesswork at this point, of course.
No. According to Sneakers, including Steam would not make sense. See the original thread for his explanation. And other people have chimed in with additional reasons why Steam wouldn't be on it.
Personally, that Steam integration was the only reason I had to even potentially be interested in it. That's a dead duck.
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Schmendrick
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so it will be one among dozens with the only difference being the xbox logo on the case...
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SneakersSO
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Its not an impossibility, but its really about 'what are the goals of this thing'. If you're Microsoft, the main reason you have on creating such a handheld would be to give users remote/handheld access to the Xbox ecosystem, but the Xbox ecosystem has 2 fronts - PC and console. The PC front is the Xbox/Microsoft Gaming store on Desktop windows, and the console front is the Xbox hardware itself. Steam is a 3rd, separate ecosystem. What muddies this is that Steam, although with more team the two will increasingly diverge, but Steam relies on Windows for the lionshare of its userbase. As mentioned, that is changing with the growth and maturation of SteamOS, and how SteamOS and the Steam eco is being further offered through new entry points, Steam Decks and other PC handhelds chief among them.
What makes this difficult is that, if MS were to make a handheld, the OS on it either has to dual-boot the Xbox console OS to allow you access to the Xbox eco, and give you a wrapper for Desktop Windows OS, which allows you to easily install Steam, and thus gives you access to the Steam library. This is how Asus Rog Ally currently allows you to install Steam via a version of Windows OS that gets installed on the machine. To every license holder on Earth, the Steam version of a title, the Windows Store version of a title (the one used for PC Game Pass titles), and the Xbox version of a title are 3 separate SKUs.
Say Microsoft were to offer you a handheld device that is a version of Desktop Windows, allowing you to install team, and it perfectly runs win32 executables, which would allow you to run your entire Steam library and access the Steam store, while *also* allowing you to access your entire Xbox library and let you run them natively on said device. In order for that last part, the native running, you would need some sort of emulation layer, which again - not impossible to do, especially if you're Microsoft. The emulation solutions they've come up with that enables Backwards Compatibility are solid. The problem becomes navigate the legal complications such a product would inevitably create. And considering that, even with such a product they'll likely be competing unfavorably against the Steam Deck line itself, why would Steam or other license holders caught in the middle of this not want to get paid?
That always sounded like the perfect excuse for the Acti purchase while trying to paint themselves as protectors of "real/hardcore gaming" or something like
But now I'm confused, people want an xbox handheld or windows-lite handheld?
Because I could see MS subsidize an X-handheld so it'd be a walled garden and every penny goes to them, but a handheld with some lite version of windows that lets you install whatever store you like, it's not something I think they'd release unless it's at a high price
Kacho
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I don’t know if “want” is the right word but it would be interesting. Them entering the space would benefit the experience on all windows handhelds.
But this ultimately boils down to Windows vs SteamOS. Because as SteamOS matures and people’s dependency on Windows decreases, this puts an incredible amount of pressure on Microsoft. They do not want to risk losing their OS dominance.
Ok, but that would be more like a windows thing, like MS feeling pressure then getting a windows-themed handheld to try to combat Steam, the thing is, where does this approach position Xbox as a brand in general and going fordward?
Maybe the answer is what S SneakersSO said and they will try to fight in two different planes, one with a windows-lite handheld to target the general PCMR target audince and then an Xbox-Uber-Console with high specs and high price for those who are in the ecosystem to not get left behind
Punished Miku
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Pay off the publishers. The last big expense to exit traditional consoles and spend the rest of their life in gaming with a store that works everywhere and cloud. Worth it to maybe keep 20 million players invested. People need their library.
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onnextflix5
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windows 
, it will be dead on arrival they if they try to compete with steam deck rog allay etc, it needs to be a Xbox handheld with it own with a custom os like steam os to have a chance,
, it will be dead on arrival they if they try to compete with steam deck rog allay etc, it needs to be a Xbox handheld with it own with a custom os like steam os to have a chance,
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Kacho
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Xbox is all but dead.
ZehDon
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App updates can't fix Windows OS bloat. If they ship a dedicated gaming mode that let's my games actually use all of my hardware while gaming on Windows, their handheld might actually differentiate itself as something worth owning. I had kinda of presumed that's what they were shipping. Otherwise, they're just going to compete with Valve's Steam Deck. They couldn't beat Nintendo, or PlayStation - they sure as shit ain't gonna beat Valve head on.
namenotfound
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That dream has been shaky to ever since I first tried GamePass Cloud in 2020 and it was trash and then again in 2023. Stadia was good but I didn't trust Google to not kill it. Then tried Geforce Now in 2023 and that was great. Got a PS5 and tried PS+ Cloud, and that was pretty great too. Then I tried Luna and while it has the worst library and doesn't support ultrawide resolutions like Geforce Now, nice for playing on your phone, it performs really well and at least with Prime they give you games for your EGS, GoG, and Amazon library. GamePass Cloud is publisher optional opt-in like Geforce Now so it doesn't have a leg up on Geforce Now in terms of library or PS+ Cloud and Amazon can someday possibly partner with Steam add those games to their streaming library. Amazon still a threat. Google no. PlayStation cloud gaming, already better. Geforce Now already better. GamePass Ultimate cloud streaming has at least since I tried in 2020 been a low tier option for cloud gaming. Geforce Now, PS+ Cloud, Luna, Xbox GamePass is how I rank them from my experience
DaleinCalgary
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The D pad will suck
Lionel Richie
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windows
To have a chance of what? The Steam Deck sold at best like 6 million units, Microsoft is on another level despite the Xbox brand being currently a joke. I don't understand how people have redpilled themselves to believe that PC handhelds are even remotely as popular as the three console holders.