Variahunter
Member
As a non buyer of anything MS, I'm loving it.
It fucks with the shills right where they need it.
I hope prices increase even more !
It fucks with the shills right where they need it.
I hope prices increase even more !
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[IGN] This Xbox Generation Will Be Remembered for One Thing: Greed
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
On video, he was pissed a week ago when the price of the Xbox consoles went up.
Timestampped
And Astro Bot, Saros, Wolverine, Yotei, Intergalactic; footed the bill for Death Stranding 2, Marvel Tokon, Helldivers 2, Stellar Blade; acquired Insomniac for $229 million ...
There's no success without failure in a creative business.
Top 20 best selling games in the US (PS5 era)
2021 #6 Spider-Man: Miles Morales, #9 MLB: The Show 21 (GaaS)
2022 #4 God of War Ragnarok, #9 Horizon Forbidden West, #10 MLB: The Show 22 (GaaS), #13 Gran Turismo 7 (GaaS)
2023 #4 Spider-Man 2, #14 MLB: The Show 23 (GaaS)
2024 #3 Helldivers 2 (GaaS), #14 MLB: The Show 24 (GaaS), #19 Spider-Man 2
Top 20 best selling games in the US (PS4 era)
2014 *********************
2015 *********************
2016 #12 Uncharted 4: A Thief End
2017 #15 Horizon Zero Dawn
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PurePlatinum
Member
Xbox should have probably waited to drop this news until Sony wasn't having the best PR week of the year (Wolverine re-reveal + Yotei release). They always time this stuff so poorly.
And with this text and title, the author of the article, Rayan Macarão, truly proves himself to be a cultist with dogmatic beliefs.
No, it's not Microsoft being greedy; it's the price that GamePass should always be to make a profit.
But Ryan Macarão doesn't want to admit that HE WAS ALWAYS WRONG about the viability of GamePass.
The service was never viable at being "cheap" and never would be, but he doesn't want to admit that HE was wrong.
No, it's not Microsoft being greedy; it's the price that GamePass should always be to make a profit.
But Ryan Macarão doesn't want to admit that HE WAS ALWAYS WRONG about the viability of GamePass.
The service was never viable at being "cheap" and never would be, but he doesn't want to admit that HE was wrong.
Nelly_Nel_7.1.3
Member
Man, I wish Sega can make a comeback and take Microsoft spot so it can be the original 3 gaming companies that everyone grew up playing.
Nintendo, Sega, and Sony.
Microsoft is a trillion dollars company and yet they are still price gouging for more money from us gamers. When will this madness stop? The sad thing is this will be a plague amongst other gaming companies to do the same if they see Microsoft making profit from it.
You can say tariffs and that may hold so truth to it, but I believe Microsoft is taking advantage of this situation, because they know that they can get away with it. Just like Nintendo can get away with charging $80 for certain Switch 2 games like Mario Kart World, Kirby and the Forgotten Land and Super Mario Party Jamboree.
At the end of the day Microsoft is a business and their goal to make the Xbox brand and game pass as profitable for the shareholders. And if it mean to price hike and price gouge it fans just to please the shareholders or whoever then they will do not giving a care in the world that the loyal Xbox fans made them who they are today.
Vote with your wallet because that the only way these companies will listen to us. I'm glad that I got more then one gaming systems that I play on. Besides all of Microsoft first party games are coming to other gaming platforms anyway. So if have more then one gaming consoles (and PC) then that a win for you.
Nintendo, Sega, and Sony.
Microsoft is a trillion dollars company and yet they are still price gouging for more money from us gamers. When will this madness stop? The sad thing is this will be a plague amongst other gaming companies to do the same if they see Microsoft making profit from it.
You can say tariffs and that may hold so truth to it, but I believe Microsoft is taking advantage of this situation, because they know that they can get away with it. Just like Nintendo can get away with charging $80 for certain Switch 2 games like Mario Kart World, Kirby and the Forgotten Land and Super Mario Party Jamboree.
At the end of the day Microsoft is a business and their goal to make the Xbox brand and game pass as profitable for the shareholders. And if it mean to price hike and price gouge it fans just to please the shareholders or whoever then they will do not giving a care in the world that the loyal Xbox fans made them who they are today.
Vote with your wallet because that the only way these companies will listen to us. I'm glad that I got more then one gaming systems that I play on. Besides all of Microsoft first party games are coming to other gaming platforms anyway. So if have more then one gaming consoles (and PC) then that a win for you.
They no longer have infinite funds to spend time and money fighting the "competition."
Even the Xbox trained fanboy program, Xbox Ambassadors, has ended, even though it's existed since the Xbox was born.
We have AI to thank. If it weren't for it, MS would have bought EA today and would be close to truly monopolizing the industry... They've already killed physical media.
The plan that didn't work was:
Buy the entire third-party industry.
Dumping (pricing policy).
Bankrupt PlayStation, STEAM, and Nintendo.
Buy the semi-bankrupt Nintendo and Valve.
Monopolize game distribution.
Force remaining independent developers to release their games "day one" on GamePass.
For example, what's happening today with the Xbox and its games was what Microsoft wanted to force Sony to do.
Bankrupt the PlayStation so much that Sony would have to start releasing its games on Xbox GamePass.
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ryan mccaffery
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Strange.
In the past, Microsoft were often criticized for "devaluing" their games via cheap subscription. Now that they are finally starting to take care of properly conveying the "value" of their works, it doesn't seem right either?
If I hear "greed", I immediately think of Sony and Nintendo instead.
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hououinkyouma00
Member
It's not even that.
It's simply they have a certain group of shills, and then a certain group that they don't control as well. Say what you will about Ryan, but despite being a Xbox fanboy he's not afraid to call them out and never really has been as far as I remember.
Now those two British cunts would never pull something like this.
Durin
Member
Please, I know what the thread is trying to be about...I even agreed with it where Microsoft is stupid in their greed. I'm just also viewing it as an overarching industry problem with nearly every platform holder pushing costs past the muh tariffs/inflation excuse.
I can expand on whatever I feel like.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Poorly conceived, poorly timed, poorly executed. That's Xbox in a nutshell from 2010 onwards.
CentralScrutinizer
Member
Not just Xbox. Call them all out in the title, cowards.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Obviously, but some bleeding is worse than others.
The price thing of games is irrelvant, and if you want to go there, then blame nintendo for first taking games from $30 to $50 back in the 90s. Prices will go up... inflation, rising dev costs. Unless you really think that games that cost $1M to make and are sold for $50 should maintain that price even when game dev costs spiral to $100M?
This is a non issue, because the only sub cost you need to pay for as a console owner is the online stuff. If you aree paying for PS extra, you do that because you want free games. You do not "HAVE" to pay for it. But MSA createds an envoriment wher you have to be stupid to not pay for their service and to go and buy games because of their whole day 1 stuff. And that is what ja really damaging. Because of what they had to do to feed that monster.
We have seen what influence Sony being the market leader has had. PS1/PS2...etc. PS4. Were those bad gens? What industry-breaking thing/initiative has Sony done? You want me to list out all the shit MS has done or even tried to do?
There is nothing wrong with a game rental service; PS+ does that too. The problem is day one games on a rental service. It cannibalizes the market. Especially within your own ecosystem. What happens is that people just stop buying games. And thats exactly what happened with Xbox. If its not on gamepass, then sales are shit poor. How are devs supposed to make money? Look at the PS+ model, that MS is just now trying to adopt, you dont get games day one, it can take as much as 2-4 years for some games to ever make it to the service. By that time, the devs have made whatever they need to make from it. Gamers will go out and actually buy games. Which is what sustains the industry.
If you dont undertsnd this concept, then I dont know how else I can say it.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
So you're not interested in the subject of the thread, which again is xbox this generation, but you do want to ignore that and talk about the entire generation.
In other words you dont want to discuss the subject of the thread, you just want to deflect criticism away.
Yes, you can "expand" (lmfao!) to your little hearts content.
I and others can see the deflection from you and others and we're free to discuss and analyze that as well.
The more you know!
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ShadowkillXNA
Member
bighugeguns
Member
But they didn't, they went for Xbox and they greatly helped do pretty much permanent brand damage to them. It's kind of sad.
I highly doubt Sony would be happy with this article either, it has an alienation effect on all Western console-based gaming IMO.
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CentralScrutinizer
Member
All three companies are being greedy right now.Why? The article is specifically about the xbox.
Oh, right.
Bernardougf
Member
Retards are who thought MS was spending 80+ billion dollars in studios/publishers to still "give away" games for cheap. Including the press.Microsoft is back to being Micro$oft again.
Phil Spencer has been the head of Xbox (now officially the CEO of Microsoft Gaming) for over a decade now. And up until very recently, I'd argue that under his watch, the brand really did put players first, even if Xbox has continued to lose market share to PlayStation. As a reminder: Phil immediately unbundled the Kinect from the Xbox One, removing the $100 albatross weighing the console down. His first big initiative as boss was championing backwards compatibility, which is inarguably a huge success. FPS Boost on Xbox Series later made many of those old games run even better. He dragged Sony kicking and screaming into normalizing cross-play. The Xbox One X one-upped the PS4 Pro by offering true, native 4K. And Xbox gaming has undeniably become more inclusive in the Phil Spencer Era thanks to the Xbox Adaptive Controller as well as laudable ASL features in multiple first-party games. Finally, there's Xbox Game Pass, whose mystery economics continue to make it controversial amongst both gamers and developers alike, but has nevertheless been a tremendous value for subscribers.
Until now, at least. On IGN's Unlocked podcast, I (far too) often make reference to that Simpsons gif where Sideshow Bob keeps stepping on the rakes he's surrounded by. And the reason I do that is because Xbox always seems to find a way to ruin any momentum it builds up, typically through no fault of anyone but itself. Take the month of October, for instance. Microsoft is shipping not one or two but three really exciting new games in the next 30 days: the very-awesome-so-far Ninja Gaiden 4, which revives the beloved fast-action franchise after a dormant decade; Double Fine's promising Keeper, the studio's next project after its Game Awards Game of the Year-nominated Psychonauts 2; and ever-reliable Obsidian Entertainment's RPG/shooter sequel The Outer Worlds 2, which we've loved every time we've seen or played it. That's a potentially huge month for Xbox – particularly when so many Xbox fans remember how it wasn't long ago when we'd be lucky to get three ultra-promising first-party releases in an entire year, let alone a single month.
All three will drop onto Xbox Game Pass on day one – but this is the part where Xbox starts stepping on all those rakes. Effective immediately, you'll need to pay a whopping 50% more for that privilege. Microsoft has raised Game Pass prices for the third year in a row, with the give-me-all-the-day-one-releases tier now setting players back $30 per month. Fourteen months ago, by the way, Game Pass Ultimate was $17. That's how high and how fast the price has risen.
Fourteen months ago, Game Pass Ultimate was $17. Now it's $30. That's how high and how fast the price has risen.
In fairness to Microsoft, the company has added more to Ultimate: Ubisoft+ Classics, Fortnite Crew, and higher-resolution cloud gaming. It's also worth mentioning that multiple likely Game of the Year candidates hit Game Pass Ultimate on day one this year: Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, Hollow Knight: Silksong, and Blue Prince. But we all know that the biggest appeal of Game Pass are those day-one benefits for Xbox-published games, and this price increase feels directly targeted at that. (For the record, PC Game Pass is going from $12 to $16.49 per month.)
This comes immediately on the heels of the company jacking up Xbox console prices for the second time in the past four months, with the top-end Xbox Series X now carrying an eye-watering price tag of $800. But that $800 almost sounds like a damn bargain next to the much-hyped ROG Xbox Ally X handheld gaming PC, which weighs in at NINE-HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE U.S. DOLLARS. Sure, there's a less powerful, more affordable version for $599, but nobody knows if that one's worth a damn, because Microsoft has only ever let media and influencers get their hands on the more powerful Ally X. Hopefully it proves useful, as the Series S has for the non-hardcore gamer part of the market.
Heck, the only thing the Xbox folks haven't raised prices on are first-party games. Oh, they tried with The Outer Worlds 2, to be clear – and they inevitably will next year when Fable, Gears of War: E-Day, Forza Horizon 6, etc. drop – but the Xbox community wasn't having any of that, and Microsoft relented.
I realize we live in crazy times, and that Sony and Nintendo are not exactly blameless here either after each of them raised prices on their own aging hardware in the past year (with Nintendo also aggressively raising software prices for the Switch 2 generation as well). Blame the Trump tariffs if you want to (heck, Microsoft does), but I'm sorry: at the end of the day, the buck stops with Microsoft. This is a company with a market cap of nearly $4 trillion, who has done layoff after layoff, after spending upwards of $80 million on studio and publisher acquisitions. And it's fair to wonder if those naysayers who question the sustainability of Game Pass and its business model are being proven right with this latest, deepest round of price hikes.
What's worse is that, in the bigger picture, we've reached a sad point where gaming is becoming less accessible to new players rather than more. Historically, console prices go down and the size and quality of the game library goes up over the course of a generation, leading to more units sold and a healthier ecosystem for everyone inside it. And while again, the blame for the absence of that this generation does not rest squarely on Microsoft's shoulders, the actions of Team Xbox are of a company that isn't showing a lot of empathy towards its customers as the cost of groceries, gas, and other bare essentials keeps going up. Again, these larger economic issues aren't Microsoft's fault, and it has to contend with rising development costs too, but they are choosing profit over players.
As such, while I recognize that this Xbox console generation isn't over yet, it's almost certainly going to be remembered first and foremost for Microsoft's greed: two hardware price increases (and counting), three Xbox Game Pass price increases (and counting), one software price increase (so far), and tens of thousands of layoffs as well as multiple studio closures.
It's kind of a monkey's paw situation, really: all Xbox gamers have wanted since the start of the catastrophic Xbox One generation was a steady supply of great first-party games. Well, in 2025 we're finally getting that – and as I've already mentioned, 2026 is shaping up to be a banger too – but it's coming at the cost of, well…practically everything else. But it's not our fault. Instead, Microsoft's greed is to blame.
This Xbox Generation Will Be Remembered for One Thing: Greed - IGN
IGN Senior Executive Editor and Unlocked podcast host Ryan McCaffrey reacts to Microsoft's recent price increases on consoles, software, and Xbox Game Pass and how they fly in the face of the player-first decisions that Xbox had continually made since Phil Spencer took over the Xbox business.www.ign.com
There are probably hundreds of posts on the ABK thread saying this is exactly what was going to happen ...
Lightbreak
Member
I guess Microsoft got tired of feeding its child with infinite money and decided to kill It
Klayzer
Member
Way more hits than misses. Now do Phil's resume.And Astro Bot, Saros, Wolverine, Yotei, Intergalactic; footed the bill for Death Stranding 2, Marvel Tokon, Helldivers 2, Stellar Blade; acquired Insomniac for $229 million ...
There's no success without failure in a creative business.
Top 20 best selling games in the US (PS5 era)
2021 #6 Spider-Man: Miles Morales, #9 MLB: The Show 21 (GaaS)
2022 #4 God of War Ragnarok, #9 Horizon Forbidden West, #10 MLB: The Show 22 (GaaS), #13 Gran Turismo 7 (GaaS)
2023 #4 Spider-Man 2, #14 MLB: The Show 23 (GaaS)
2024 #3 Helldivers 2 (GaaS), #14 MLB: The Show 24 (GaaS), #19 Spider-Man 2
Top 20 best selling games in the US (PS4 era)
2014 *********************
2015 *********************
2016 #12 Uncharted 4: A Thief End
2017 #15 Horizon Zero Dawn
MisterXDTV
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Dr Bass
Gold Member
I don't know how it can be greed when they are losing money. There is no way they have recouped what they have put into the business, and the point of a business is to make money, and at the very least, break even. Microsoft stupidly thought they could just buy their way into the industry, which is what they have been trying to do for 20 years, and it seems the leadership has finally had enough and now wants to charge prices that would actually support the product.
And now the gamers are pissed.
I guess when you've been constantly wooed with heavily subsidized goods, realistic pricing looks like "greed" to idiots.
And now the gamers are pissed.
I guess when you've been constantly wooed with heavily subsidized goods, realistic pricing looks like "greed" to idiots.
Durin
Member
I was interested enough to say I agree. Pointing out we're seeing greed throughout this generation doesn't deflect Microsoft from criticism...I'm just saying it's another link in the chain to a pattern of abuse to the consumer in these last 5 years. Microsoft is the dumbest because they're in the weakest position to try to push this, but following threads this year I've seen within 1-2 months of each other back to back Sony (late august), Nintendo (july) and Nvidia (late may) all raised prices.
It's fair and on topic to point that out, because these companies often raise based on what they see others try to get away with. IGN even pointed out in this thread's subject, that Microsoft tried to increase first-party game prices to $80 with The Outer Worlds 2, conveniently within a month of the Switch 2's launch. Not shocking they'd try to replicate another company to set some new garbage standard, but backlash in their weak position shot that down. I'm hoping enough of a backlash knocks this back down, as I'm already letting my Gamepass sub lapse at the end of the year.
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MacReady13
Member
Funnily enough, for all the "good" Phil has done (I'd argue backwards compatibility was the best and ONLY good thing he's done and even now that means nothing with these games not moving across to PC) there is not 1 mention of 1st party games. He only achieved that after spending a record sum of money to acquire studios. Games is ALL that counts and in that regard, he failed miserably and that is the main reason why Xbox failed. And by Xbox I mean consoles, cause that is solely what Xbox is- a console.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
MacReady13
Member
What is there to complain about though? If you want all these 1st party games, BUY THEM! Why sook about a fucking rental service? Just unsubscribe and buy the damn games! That's a very simple solution and instead of crying about raising the price on a terrible service, give that service up and buy the fucking games!
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
It is sad what happened to Xbox.
I was one of the early Xbox Live members on the original xbox. I even went through 5 xbox 360's. To me the Xbox 360 is by far their epitome and now they are falling off the map. Phil Spencer has killed the Xbox brand. It started with the horrible Xbone but it has gotten worse since then. I still remember that Halo they had to rebuild from the ground up. They purchased Activision and still do not have any games unless you are the typical zombie who buys the Call of Duty and Madden shit every year.
I was one of the early Xbox Live members on the original xbox. I even went through 5 xbox 360's. To me the Xbox 360 is by far their epitome and now they are falling off the map. Phil Spencer has killed the Xbox brand. It started with the horrible Xbone but it has gotten worse since then. I still remember that Halo they had to rebuild from the ground up. They purchased Activision and still do not have any games unless you are the typical zombie who buys the Call of Duty and Madden shit every year.
RobertJCross
Neo Member
I have been paying for XBOX Live/Gamepass for over a decade. I just cancelled my sub for the first time. This is too much. RIP MSXB
KenaiPhoenix
Member
I think it will be remembered as the last one: next one will be full third party + a Windows 11 machine with an Xbox overlay
newtypepilot
Member
not greed, but utter incompetence. Every company is greedy. Sony and Nintendo are greedy too with the price jacks, but they can get away with it because they have leverage. xbox has none.
Games are the only things that matter. Without a strong first party lineup, they are nothing. And they focused on everything BUT games. Look at Nintendo. Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda are what drive sales. MS has been chasing trends for the past 2 generations, and then they are dumb enough to put all their eggs on gamepass because they thought they could replicate netflix's success, except they failed to realize not only games are consumed differently than tv, but also that a subscription service requires constant release of new content. It's partly why netflix tends to not renew shows as they care more about quantity over quality. Furthermore, for gamepass to be successful it has to cannibalize its own hardware and software sales, and this is what is happening.
Games are the only things that matter. Without a strong first party lineup, they are nothing. And they focused on everything BUT games. Look at Nintendo. Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda are what drive sales. MS has been chasing trends for the past 2 generations, and then they are dumb enough to put all their eggs on gamepass because they thought they could replicate netflix's success, except they failed to realize not only games are consumed differently than tv, but also that a subscription service requires constant release of new content. It's partly why netflix tends to not renew shows as they care more about quantity over quality. Furthermore, for gamepass to be successful it has to cannibalize its own hardware and software sales, and this is what is happening.
SoraNoKuni
Member
I remember posting how unsustainable it is, how it will gimp most first party games due to lowering the development costs as it doesn't make sense or raise the price, but people said it's the second coming, that it ia sustainable and that I shouldn't criticize.
Figures, they did both, gimp and raise the price.
Noice.
Figures, they did both, gimp and raise the price.
Noice.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Here's a previous post I had with some edits to include this new information.
2024 Q1:
2025 Q1:
2025 Q4:
To break this down further:
Remember, they bragged about being profitable in Q1 of 2025 one quarter after they increased their prices. Now they have increased their prices again. Either this is greed, or they were lying. We all know they were lying, while they're going to stick to their lie we can at least tell them they're greedy scumbags.
2024 Q1:
- Xbox Game Pass Core - $5.00/month (cheapest option with annual cost of $59.99)
- Xbox Game Pass Ultimate - $16.99/month
- PC Game Pass - $9.99/month
2025 Q1:
- Xbox Game Pass Core - $8.33/month (cheapest option with quarterly cost of $24.99, which comes out to $99.96/year)
- Xbox Game Pass Standard - $14.99/month
- Xbox Game Pass Ultimate - $19.99/month
- PC Game Pass - $11.99/month
2025 Q4:
- Xbox Game Pass Essential - $8.33/month (cheapest option with quarterly cost of $24.99, which comes out to $99.96/year)
- Xbox Game Pass Premium - $14.99/month
- Xbox Game Pass Ultimate - $29.99/month
To break this down further:
- Xbox Game Pass Core/Essential - 66.6% price increase, stopped including first party titles on release date, and massively restricted the amount of playable titles.
- Xbox Game Pass Standard/Premium - New tier priced much higher than the base tier and initially had first-party titles on release date, but Microsoft has now changed this to a 1-year wait time for new titles. Greatly restricted the amount of playable titles. Basically a 199.8% price increase from the previous quarter if you're comparing Xbox Game Pass Core in 2024 to Xbox Game Pass Standard in 2025 (which makes the most sense as these plans are identical in all but name and price).
- Xbox Game Pass Ultimate - 76.52% price increase, and anyone who wants full access to game library and day-and-date titles must subscribe to this plan.
- PC Game Pass - Defunct. Because fuck 'em, that's why.
Remember, they bragged about being profitable in Q1 of 2025 one quarter after they increased their prices. Now they have increased their prices again. Either this is greed, or they were lying. We all know they were lying, while they're going to stick to their lie we can at least tell them they're greedy scumbags.
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Alebrije
Member
Next year I will spend far less money on gaming than ever. The industry is becoming expensive and specially less innovating, they ask more money for the same stories, graphics and services. And is not about just inflation, they never reduced prices on digital games or cheap physical copies without manuals. The greed is eating the industry.
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cinnamonandgravy
Member
already cant remember it
controllers or something. maybe a fridge.
controllers or something. maybe a fridge.
Dr Bass
Gold Member
This is not a response to you, because I know you get it.But they just bragged it was "profitable" a few days prior.
But even if they were making a billion dollars a year in profit (preeettty sure they aren't), how long is it going to take to recoup what they spent on Activision?
So many bad decisions ...
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rm082e
Gold Member
Let's be honest though: The previous leadership team committed brand suicide with the original plans for the Xbox One in early 2013. They crippled the brand, then they all bounced rather than having to deal with the consequences of their decisions. Phil got handed a bag of crap and tried to do the best he could with it.
I don't think anyone sitting in his seat could have made a major pivot to a bunch of great new IPs, which is what they really needed during the XO generation. It takes a whole team of creative people to do that. Just buying exclusives like Titanfall and Tomb Raider was never going to be enough. But even if they had managed to replace Gears and Halo with new bangers, they'd still probably be in the same position.
Game Pass was really a service they had to come up with to stay aligned with Microsoft's vision at the time. Back then, Nadella was talking in the press about how Microsoft was a "devices and services company" - that was before the AI gold rush. I'm sure Phil knew Game Pass probably wasn't going to become the Netflix of video games, but he also probably knew it was their only path forward given they're owned by Microsoft.
What we're seeing now is really just the failure of Game Pass to attract a big enough audience, combined with Microsoft looking to spend every dollar they can find on AI. They're not interested in investing in Xbox because they think they can get bigger returns investing that money into Copilot and OpenAI. So Xbox is going to do whatever it can to show a profit for as many quarters as it can, even if that means burning the place down. That's what businesses do when they reach the end of their lifecycle.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I mostly buy games in sale now.
PSN rotate their sales every two weeks. Always something to find for a dirt cheap price.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Starfield and Avowed weren't even made by Microsoft, they were made by Bethesda and Obsidian who MS simply acquired
MS has never created anything for the entire 25 years that Xbox has existed. Every single MS property was made by a company they acquired, going all the way back to Bungie making Halo
You can't succeed in a creative industry without ever creating anything
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's what you should have always been doing and they would have been in a far more competitive and better place for it.
But you fell into the honey-trap, and even shilled for them in the process.
Bozo
kpopSuperstar
Member
I am not defending anything, I am stating facts, unlike the left murder cult.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I originally thought he was a wind up merchant not knowing when to stop.
Yoboman
Member
The worst thing that happened to Xbox is they found a comfortable niche where they are making money (Gamepass and COD), where both Sony and Nintendo aren't really competing
A few years ago they were competing with exactly identical products and it was really abot best games, price and tech. Now Xbox may have failed at hardware but they have their own lane and will milk it for all it's worth
To be fair, Sony and Nintendo are milking their lanes for everything they are worth too. Nobody is really directly competing so they are all getting comfortable
A few years ago they were competing with exactly identical products and it was really abot best games, price and tech. Now Xbox may have failed at hardware but they have their own lane and will milk it for all it's worth
To be fair, Sony and Nintendo are milking their lanes for everything they are worth too. Nobody is really directly competing so they are all getting comfortable
Unknown?
Member
He's only mad because it means they won't sell more.
