Eiknarf
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People are most likely asking “where are new games from Sony First Party Developers such as Naughty Dog…etc”
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[IGN] Where Are All the PS5 Games?
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People are most likely asking “where are new games from Sony First Party Developers such as Naughty Dog…etc”
Topher
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Just looking at the twitter profiles of some of the people replying to that post you can see where the nonsense is coming from.
They want to create this "first party" narrative now even as their first party has become multiplatform. some would like to agree because they're left in the dark about certain first party studios projects but the fact of the matter is that PS has got a lot of first party and third party exclusive games this year and xbox has got very little. Even during the 360 early years people were lambasting PS3 and praising 360 for not having Bioshock or Mass effect when MS first party studios were near nonexistent, even Gears was "2nd party" by their own definition they use now.
Now though they want to pretend that the studio creating the game is what's important because MS has gone shopping, even though there are plenty and more exclusive games to play on PS than xbox and those MS "first party" games are releasing on PS. It's all just twitter nonsense instead of playing the games.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
They’re being worked on. Thats the answer.
diffusionx
Gold Member
This is a great point. Nobody bought a PS4 after GTA5 was ported to PC.
saintjules
Gold Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Sony first party was awesome the second half of the PS4 gen. What "GAF experts" have said that PS5 Pro was going to fix first party studio output?
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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I’m just sittin here waiting on Astrobot to blow minds and win GOTY. Don’t mind me.
vivftp
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This is post only demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation. SIEs first party production pipeline is in no way fucked and the only disruption to it was due to the pandemic, which affected everyone, and which they are now past. The live service initiative ADDED to their pipeline, not disrupted it.
Hudo
Member
GAF experts told me that the power of the PS5 Pro would help Sony to develop games faster. Don't ask me how. But it must be true.
They have the weakest first-party setup out of the three and it's been made worse by the focus on big cinematic experiences and their recent live-service game push. The very recent Astro Bot is a very needed exception to that.
For a company that sees itself as a dominant platform, it's quite a depressing situation. But I hope that the recent push of big third-parties to go multiplatform (which is good) will cause Sony to invest and divest their fist-party. We need more diverse games and also smaller, cool shit like Tokyo Jungle again. Maybe a new Motorstorm and Wipeout. Or a new Resistance. Maybe more Japanese devs that do some experimental stuff. Or resurrect some old IP like Ape Escape. Maybe have a new Studio that makes gameplay-focused God of War spin-off that takes ideas from God of War 3's combat and progression system. Maybe have a Studio work on a (J)RPG? Or at least tell Bungie to make a proper Marathon game instead of the blatant abuse of the IP they're comitting right now.
Topher
Identifies as young
Sounds like a bizarre one off take that someone made suddenly being attributed to "GAF".
vivftp
Member
That's not a pipeline issue, that's a "they're not making the sort of games I want" issue. Beyond the disruptions caused by the pandemic, their pipeline is very strong and they're set to have an extremely stacked second half of the gen.
As for the sort of games they're making, their lineup is diverse when you look at their overall strategy and how they're investing in external studios to bring content to their platform. PlayStation has ALWAYS been about being more than just their first party studios, so only looking a that narrow slice doesn't give you the full picture. In addition to the first party studios you have the multitude of XDEV partners making SIE published games, you have the indie initiative to bring unique smaller games to their platform, you have the China and India Hero projects to bring in a variety of games from different parts of the world, you have partnerships like the one with NCSoft and Shift Up and you have exclusive deals they've signed (timed or otherwise) to bring content to their console like the miHoYo games, the various Final Fantasy games or Silent Hill 2 remake.
killatopak
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Retired with Jim.
Tokyo Jungle and Resistance weren't games because they "weren't first party". Just like Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade and Final Fantasy Rebirth these past few months. Atrocious first party setup back then too. /s
Shake Your Rump
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Is the author of this an autistic billionaire who has literally played every good game and is just twiddling his thumbs waiting for games to release?
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diffusionx
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This is ridiculous. They’re the only ones who have been consistently putting out AAA games at a high quality level. Compare Gran Turismo 7 to Forza, and GT7 came out way earlier.
The reality is that you have N studios, they need 4-5 years to make a game, if something goes wrong you are kind of screwed for a full cycle. Look at Microsoft the past 10 years, or even Nintendo with Metroid Prime 4. Naughty Dog fucked up bad with Factions and can’t get that time back.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Basic business sense is not cannibalizing third-party exclusives by putting them up against first-party exclusives and vice-versa!
Games cost too much money and especially take way too long to make to piss them away with ill-considered release timings. Its about having a steady cadence of releases more than sheer quantity within a certain time-frame. Xbox utter inability to manage this is a major reason for their decline over the past few years.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Nobody cares about Motorstorm or WipeOut. The arcade racing genre is dead and has been for years now. They are making platformers, they made Sackboy, nobody cared, Astro Bot will hopefully be a hit and has better brand recognition than Ape Escape. The Marathon thing is stupid but let’s not pretend that an actual Marathon game based on the series that 80 people played on the Mac 30 years ago is going to move the needle. Why should they invest in $200 million to make a brand new JRPG when they can pay Square a fraction of that and get an exclusive? These are the decisions you need to make when games cost $200 million. Resources aren’t infinite.
I have said before that I wish they brought back stuff like Warhawk especially since they are trying to push into MP and I still believe that, but they thought, you know, let’s make something new. So, we will see.
The idea that they are the weakest first party is hilarious.
vivftp
Member
To note, the existence and subsequent cancellation of TLOU Online has not been a hinderance to Naughty Dog bringing out their next single player game. The new IP under Neil Druckmann would not have come out any sooner if TLOU had never existed. Why? Because we know with TLOU Part 2 that it was an all hands on deck situation and that Naughty Dog was not able to do the normal pre-production work on their next project like they historically have done. That means the new IP under Neil only began its pre-production phase around mid-2020. We know from a ND dev that in general a AAA game these days takes about 2-3 years of pre-production and about another 2 years of production to ship. So about 5 years give or take for a full AAA game from start to finish, give or take. We're currently sitting around the 4 year mark since that game would've begun development.
There's also very good reasons to believe ND has had a second single player game in dev since at least early 2021 and that the game is a new Uncharted. We know from Jason Schrier that early 2021 is when Bend asked to do their own thing instead of the collaborative Uncharted game with Naughty Dog. We also know that's about the time that Shaun Escayg (director of Uncharted Lost Legacy) returned to the studio. Shaun did help work on TLOU Part 1, but we have no clue what he's been working on since. There's a good chance that ND either brought Uncharted back in-house or that they're working with another group (maybe VASG) to make the game.
There's no real time for ND to get back because no other game would have released or released any sooner if TLOU Online had never existed.
diffusionx
Gold Member
i guess time will tell but i don't really buy this story that spending years and investing tons of resources into this massive factions game had absolutely no consequence to the studio when the game got axed. I know it's the story they've tried to tell us, but I don't believe them.
vivftp
Member
No one is trying to tell any story, it's simple common sense. There would be no possible way for a single player game to have come out by now as no pre production work was done prior to TLOU 2 launching
Danjin44
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This, in my opinion this gen most of mutiplatform games are just much better.
bender
What time is it?
digital_ghost
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Most likely sitting inside a disc case at a dying gamestop.
I paid my respects to blockbusters grave.
I paid my respects to blockbusters grave.
Gamerguy84
Member
So Is Tim dog still team blue? I thought he would've went back by now.
Anyway my situation is different but I'm PS+ highest tier member. If I didn't buy another game for 5 years I would still be playing the backlog. Some of it isn't first party like watch dogs but a lot of it is.
Anyway my situation is different but I'm PS+ highest tier member. If I didn't buy another game for 5 years I would still be playing the backlog. Some of it isn't first party like watch dogs but a lot of it is.
Hudo
Member
Wow. I really need to learn that SonyGAF has no chill.
Edit: I still think that Sony have the weakest first-party out of the three for reasons I have mentioned earlier. Good for you guys that it doesn't seem that way to you. We disagree on this, which is OK. The consequences are simple: I've stopped being a Sony customer while you guys (still) are Sony customers. And that's how it should be.
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Topher
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Why are you quoting me? I didn't say a thing about who had the "weakest first-party" and I've been quite critical of Sony's first party efforts of late.
You are too obsessed with haphazardly calling out "GAF experts" and "SonyGAF".
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fart town usa
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Concord.
Wastelander92
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More like Jim retired them, Herman will bring them out of their retirement home /cope
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Hudo
Member
I just quoted everyone because I am a lazy fuck. Apologies if you are collateral.
Also: There are only 2 things I am obsessed with: The Roman Empire (shoutout to
Roman Empire
) and Boobs.And Pizza.
Edit: And Command & Conquer, from time to time. Specifically Tiberian Sun.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
all the responses engaged with your diatribe and your response was "lmao fanboy." I didn't realize you were a troll but I'll remember it going forward.
Hudo
Member
I mean there was no reasonable response to give here. We won't change our opinions. So I take it with humor. Which is why I post on this board in the first place. If you interpret this as trolling, fair enough. I guess.
BUT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN MY FINAL FORM YET, BOY
nial
Gold Member
You only say that because of no Motorstorm, c'mon.
Except that it's never been the great focus, and you just fell for the current narrative. How is Astro Bot an exception when we previously got Sackboy: A Big Adventure and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart? LEGO Horizon Adventures? Returnal? Gran Turismo 7? Demon's Souls, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade? Helldivers 2 which is a GAAS, yes, but who cares when it's still great?
Seriously, name more than five SIE first-party AAA cinematic blockbusters released this gen thus far.
And I know you're a reasonable guy, so please try to address everything from my post.
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Hudo
Member
An no Wipeout. Those two in particular.
Otherwise, you are correct. But I have to admit I am also salty for what they did to God of War and that TLoU 2 turned out to be pretty disappointing. And no. I am no Druckmann hater, TLoU1 is one of my favorite games of all time.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
I don't care what people say, but at this point in time of the generation compared to PS4, PS5 fucking sucks. Back when they announced Ghost of Tsushima I really thought Sony fp would get back on track, but it seems they haven't recovered, and third party games have taken up the slack.
vivftp
Member
Well like I said earlier, this isn't so much of a "pipeline issue" it's a "they're not making the games I want" issue.
TLOU2 and GoW Ragnarok are highly critically acclaimed and beloved by fans and have sold very well. Objectively they've done amazing work on both games. The fact that the games didn't float your boat doesn't change that objective truth.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
This has to be a meme at this point that i don't know about. It simply has to be.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
At this point for the PS4 you has Bloodbource (not developed by Sony), Horizon and Uncharted 4 but okay.
PS4 second half was simply much stronger. This gen is going to be even stronger with literally every single studio working on PS5 games yet to release.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah.....second half of last gen was incredible. Hoping Sony replicates that output starting in 2025. Astro Bot will be a nice start.