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[MrGerbils]

Funny, I said nothing about either. Only specific thing I mentioned was the fixed batteries which make Apple devices noticeably inferior after 12-16 months and worthless after 24.

But it's interesting that you mention the CPU and GPU as if they're insignificant components. Same argument iPhone6 users use, but it's funny because those aren't the first things I would mock.

I could point out that their pixel density is a third less, resolution always a tier lower, two thirds less RAM, for years lacked a gorilla glass equivalent, have proprietary and inferior chargers, and late by two years on a whole host of secondary and tertiary features in comparison to Android flagships.

But, to back it all up - I'll throw out this caveat. If it's 2015, you're using Windows "8", and still don't have Classic Shell or any other equivalent then stop, get up, and go to the Apple store. You're life will be so much easier without these incredible complexities in your life.

Christ man, and people say Apple fans are aloof hipster fanboys. This is some needlessly condescending arrogant shit right here.. and half of it is a rant about phones, which has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[TekGryphon]

Apple started using GG with the iPhone 4, now i don't remember when the original GG started to be featured in other phones but i'm sure it wasn't much earlier.

If you're ever unsure when Google flagships had a feature an iPhone model came out with, just guess "2 years". You'll almost always be right.

 

[Junior Mint]

Christ man, and people say Apple fans are aloof hipster fanboys. This is some needlessly condescending arrogant shit right here.. and half of it is a rant about phones, which has nothing to do with this thread.

Lol, I'm reading that post and just shaking my head.

 

[Earthanoid]

Got it, thanks for the explanation. Come to think of it, the people I know who need spreadsheets and word processors usually don't go back and forth between Office and gDocs, they just pick one, so the import will never pose an issue. I'll keep that in mind.

It really depends on what you're going to do. If you're just doing basic word processing and spreadsheet work gDocs is great, it has all the basic functions. If you have to share your docs with other people, it works great if they're also using gDocs. In fact this is where gDocs is probably superior, the collaboration features built into gDocs is much better (although Office 365 is quickly catching up). If the other person is using Office and the docs require a lot of heavy formatting, switching back and forth will be terrible. Word is much better with the formatting and the gDocs spreadsheet program is also much less robust than Excel so you'll have issues switching back and forth.

I use Office at work and can't imagine using gDocs, as I need to share my documents with other people and I never know what they'll be using. I also need some of the formatting features of Word that gDocs doesn't have. At home, I use gDocs for my personal stuff, because it's much easier to access via my phone or tablet, and I don't need any of the more advanced formatting or spreadsheet functions. Plus it's much easier to share with friends and family.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

. So don't be one of those idiots saying you can abuse your macbook for the past 5 years and it still works.

Yeah, a buddy of mine go ta hand me down 2009 Mac Book and couldn't figure out why it was choking when streaming movies with Popcorn Time.

 

[C00kie M0nster]

You know you could just download Classic Shell for your current laptop and all your problems will most likely be solved. It seems you're set on Apple though. Apple is acceptable for almost everything but gaming

Spoiler

which is why I don't recommend it personally.

 

[McLovin]

Boy oh boy have I got a thread you need to look at.

lol
On topic I would downgrade to windows 7 and wait for windows 9. Macbooks are cost way too much for what you actually get.

 

[AlteredBeast]

My friend is looking for a new laptop and I was incredibly impressed with a Toshiba of all things.

It was $899 at Best Buy and the specs and fit/finish were incredible.

12 GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 1920x1080 monitor, touchscreen, folds all the back onto itself, 802.11ac wireless, 11 hour battery life, awesome and large trackpad, sleek and flat aluminum construction .75 inches thick, core i7, backlit keyboard, etc, etc, etc.

If you want to go the Apple route, you will definitely enjoy it, but you haven't quite thought through your various scenarios. At all...

 

[golem]

If you want to go the Apple route, you will definitely enjoy it, but you haven't quite thought through your various scenarios. At all...

I think his main scenario is not using Windows 8.

 

[AlteredBeast]

I think his main scenario is not using Windows 8.

Which he 100% does not have to. If that is his excuse, he is clearly not thinking things through. Classic Shell, etc. are extremely good fixes for what might otherwise be a jarring transition for some to Windows 8. If his computer is still slow or noticeably degraded, there are about a billion things he could do to improve performance, unless he initially bought a shit computer to begin with, in which case he can't blame anyone but himself for his poor experience. In which case, my prior post applies, in which he could buy a machine 1/3 to 1/2 the price of a comparable Mac for similar/better specs, without the compromises of a traditional "cheap" PC.

 

[xxracerxx]

lol
On topic I would downgrade to windows 7 and wait for windows 9. Macbooks are cost way too much for what you actually get.

Oh Windows 9......you nevah comin because 7 ate 9.

 

[Brerlappin]

Anyone who actually thinks the price of the Macs is justified is an idiot. Im sorry, but youre paying for the name and that's it. A higher specced Windows laptop would cost you half what youd pay for a Mac, and youd probably still at least get an Ethernet port on it. But hey the Mac might look a bit fancier and sleeker, so I really hope that's worth the extra grand to you.

 

[Dougald]

Anyone who actually thinks the price of the Macs is justified is an idiot. Im sorry, but youre paying for the name and that's it. A higher specced Windows laptop would cost you half what youd pay for a Mac, and youd probably still at least get an Ethernet port on it. But hey the Mac might look a bit fancier and sleeker, so I really hope that's worth the extra grand to you.

Point me out a 13in lightweight laptop with at least 8hrs battery life, SSD, 8gb RAM and 1080p or better display for half the price I paid for my Retina Macbook Pro and I'll be shocked. Everything I could find in the Windows world was about the same price in the UK - a high res screen is the killer in the PC world, you can't really find anything more than 1440x900 on a 13" display for under £800.

Of course apples pricing is wildly inconsistent (£200 extra for the 256gb vs 128gb), but the idea that they're double the price for an equivalent unit is way off base. I dislike Apple and was looking for a PC, but in the end I went for the mac as I just could not find anything else with a decent enough screen for less.. plenty for the same price, but as I was going to install Linux over Windows anyway, that wasn't a factor.

 

[panzone]

Funny, I said nothing about either. Only specific thing I mentioned was the fixed batteries which make Apple devices noticeably inferior after 12-16 months and worthless after 24.

But it's interesting that you mention the CPU and GPU as if they're insignificant components. Same argument iPhone6 users use, but it's funny because those aren't the first things I would mock.

I could point out that their pixel density is a third less, resolution always a tier lower, two thirds less RAM, for years lacked a gorilla glass equivalent, have proprietary and inferior chargers, and late by two years on a whole host of secondary and tertiary features in comparison to Android flagships.

They are not insignificant component, but they aren't the most important thing in a laptop, that's all. In a laptop I value more battery life, weight and dimensions. This means that cpu power is useless or unimportant ? No, simply I prefer a little weaker CPU if that means to increase the other points.

 

[n64coder]

One thing I was impressed when I got my new Surface Pro was the ability of my Windows Live account to remember my wifi hotspots passwords from connections I made with my previous laptop. I also like the OneDrive integration built into Windows 8. Does the Mac offer something similar?

Are you able to have multiple people logged in and using the computer at the same time?

I understand why Microsoft did the Metro interface and it really shines when you have a touch screen. I wonder if Apple will be doing touch screens in their laptops at some point? I'll be curious how they integrate touch with keyboard/mouse.

 

[kiguel182]

A recent experience at a new job has confirmed to me that Mac fans are collectively delusional, and it requires a certain amount of cognitive dissonance in their part to maintain their collective delusion.

Yeah I know, you wouldn't expect me to say anything else, right? But in reality, I was fairly neutral about prospect of using Macs as long as it didn't cost me extra money. I have taught for years on Macs at Otis (local art college) and I can deal with it no problem. Or so I thought.

Then I got this new job at a major Hollywood studio in their licensing department. They told me I have to use a Mac. I said fine. for how much they are paying me, I will suffer through Linux if I had to.

So I show up at work first day and I find a 27" 2013 iMac on my desk. And it wasn't the base model either. It had 32GB of RAM and 1TB SSD in it. This config was probably $4000 easy. Out of habit though, having worked in many consultant positions, I always carry my Tablet PC to work the first day. Some jobs didn't provide a computer for several days even though it is onsite work, in the past.

It turns out that the computers at this place is used for 3 main things: Preparing high resolution multi page PDF files for the film-makers to do their final approval (I and others serve as first line of filter of all the licensee submissions), accessing online for web based database/submission system to catalog all the products being produced under license, and use a Wacom tablet to do draw overs when you need to clarify changes you are demanding to the licensees when necessary.

So let me get to why I think Mac users are collectively delusional: The majority of the creative crew for this job was assembled, along with a new creative director in the last 4 months prior to my arrival. Before that was just 2 people working on PCs with the web based app, which was written for Internet Explorer. This system goes back a few years it turns out, before Firefox really took off. Anyways, when the new creative director came in, she ordered all the gear for the new crew that was about to be hired. Being a "creative", she demanded Macs. Even though the job required interaction with Internet Explorer based web application, Macs were bought. Expensive Macs. $4000 per station. paired with $70 Wacom tablets. Yeesh....

So my first week with the Mac, I quickly find the workflow EXCRUCIATING. I had Safari, Firefox, and Chrome preloaded in my iMac. ALL OF THEM crashed every third or so links I clicked on their web based submission system. My coworkers were all like "Yep, that's 'X (name of the web based system which will remain anonymous in this post)' for ya. It is just GARBAGE. It's terrible. But what can we do? We have to use it. You'll get use to it." they said. So I grinned and soldiered on. But one of the consultants that's been there for years was on a PC. She's the one who later told me that the web system was written for IE. And that's why she insisted on keeping her PC when the new director came in, and that's why she doesn't complain like others about 'X' because it doesn't crash on her all the time. Amazing...

And what about dealing with PDF files? You'd think 27" iMac with 32GB of RAM super fast SSD and 2560x1440 resolution would be more than up to the task right? Well no. because they only had Adobe Acrobat Pro for me to process the PDF files. I don't know how many of you have to deal with this vile POS program, but it is a work of the devil. Simple things like mark ups and text annotation is a fucking pain in the ass since something basic like text size options are limited to certain number, so it you have a really high res image, you will make tiny ass text mark ups that you have to zoom way the hell in just to read! Fucking INSANE. And draw overs on those files? Fucking hell, just to do a simple draw over, you have to disassemble the stupid PDF by using Photoshop to import images one page at a time, use a shitty $70 Intuos Basic tablet to mark over it like it's 1995 by staring away from your hand while you draw, then use Acrobat again to assemble all the pages back into a single binder. That's like 5 steps just to draw over a single image. I couldn't bear the pace. Even though I'm a consultant paid by the hour, the shitty workflow was killing me, ESPECIALLY since I knew I had PDF Annotator installed in my Tablet PC that I could do the draw over in ONE SINGLE STEP by DRAWING ON THE SCREEN on my Tablet PC.

So I decided to use the iMac to only check email and access the local network, and use my Tablet PC to do the web system access and PDF file preparation. And I breezed along on all draw overs. Others looked at me like I was performing some black magic and started to push all the draw overs on my inbox (which was fine with me since I enjoy that more than slogging through a database).

After couple of week of this, I just flat out demanded a PC to replace my iMac when they brought in another consultant, and she needed a Mac. I gladly have up my $4000 iMac and requested any old PC they had on hand so I can run Internet Explorer and DPF Annotator. Been much happier since.

So that's my story. For $4000, they could have equipped all the stations with a decent PC and a 22" Cintiq with a second high resolution monitor to do the work much more efficiency and much less pain. But these people NEED their fucking Macs, no matter how painful it makes their workflow. Now THAT'S definition of delusional, and cognitive dissonance if there ever was one.

This post makes no sense.

So because one person wanted to buy Macs when the programs used weren't compatible with them that makes Mac users delusional or makes them bad computers?

 

[Apt101]

This post makes no sense.

So because one person wanted to buy Macs when the programs used weren't compatible with them that makes Mac users delusional or makes them bad computers?

I get the gist of what they're suggesting, having supported Macs in corporate settings in the past (even fixed print drivers for native Mac OS apps in another life). They're hard to justify, as they don't do any work-related task better than a PC, are supported less by app vendors, and less flexible. Then there's the price premium per unit and added cost of support (which is layered and nuanced and changes with setting, so I won't bore you with the details).

For home users I'm ambivalent. If someone wants to pay more to do the same things and they can afford it, and simply prefer the OS experience, go for it. I wouldn't, even though I can go out and buy Macs to replace every computing device in my home right now without it straining my budget, if I wanted to.

 

[Pooya]

If I want to buy a laptop now again I probably choose a macbook again because of the display and I like the cold aluminum yeah, that's about it, I pay for that. The idea that they last forever and osx never slows down or have driver issues even is a load of crap (just look at yosemite's terrible launch, it's not exactly an isolated case). I mostly use Windows on it and like the flexibility of having two OSes (yeah, I'm not touching hackintoshes) I think they worth the money until the latest refresh that they removed dedicated GPU from base 15" model, that's crap. MBP13 is a good deal still imo.

Windows alternative would be Lenovo laptops which I hate how ugly they are, yeah it matters to me how a product is designed not just if it works or not, not just thinkpads, yogas aren't all that appealing either. Only Surface line looks good right now. Dell XPS aren't too shabby looking either but that's about it. They're not exactly much cheaper than a macbook pro, I'd just rather buy that. I'm not buying $400 laptops either way, those are for kids. looking how awful TFT 1366x768 resolution is used on 15" screens in 2015 now on mid range laptops, yikes. I swear 5 years ago it was the same deal by the likes of Dell and HP.

now OP...

*scratches head* used to buying a laptop every year? really?
your PC doesn't slowdown in a year, the CPU operates at the same speed you bought it with (unless it's choked with dust in your house). Sounds like whenever a HDD fails you just throw the whole thing out? lol

 

[CrudeDiatribe]

Anyone who actually thinks the price of the Macs is justified is an idiot. Im sorry, but youre paying for the name and that's it. A higher specced Windows laptop would cost you half what youd pay for a Mac...

What about specs such as size, weight, rigidity, durability, battery life, keyboard and trackpad quality? Similar Windows laptops cost similar amounts of money. Just because those specs don't matter to you doesn't mean they don't matter to anyone.

 

[Cro-Magnon]

Man, OS wars are ludicrous.

What about specs such as size, weight, rigidity, durability, battery life, keyboard and trackpad quality? Similar Windows laptops cost similar amounts of money. Just because those specs don't matter to you doesn't mean they don't matter to anyone.

Apple makes their money on the hardware. Microsoft makes their money from license fees. You also get the best customer service and product support in the industry. If you do have an issue you can just take it in to the Apple store. In over 20 years I've only had a problem once with their products. I got a new one without any questions.

Expensive? No, I don't think so. I find them reasonably priced, you get what you pay for. Quality.

I concur with these posters.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Funny, I said nothing about either. Only specific thing I mentioned was the fixed batteries which make Apple devices noticeably inferior after 12-16 months and worthless after 24.

I've been using my laptop for 4/5+ hours every single day since mid-2011 and it'll still last me the entire fucking day. At least 5 hours of non-stop use, and that's a crazy conservative estimate.

So what exactly are you basing this on?

 

[Dougald]

The irreplaceable batteries on the unibody macs are kind of a double edged sword. On the one hand, because the cells are placed wherever there's space internally, the battery life is cavernous, but on the other, its nowhere near as cheap to replace the battery

Apple allows for 1000 cycles before it's classed as consumed these days anyway (compared to 300 on the early unibodies). With a cycle count of 14 in 2 months of ownership, I think I probably won't have to worry too much.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

I don't regret my Retina Macbook Pro 15, but I have realized that gaming on it (native cider ports on OSX, and Mac OSX steam) is not good. I tried firing up guild wars. Holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck. It nearly burned. It's not its fault. when people port games to mac, it's like two emulated games running on top of each other. you have the windows game - and then in real time it translate everything over to a mac language based on OpenGL. Its fucking bananas. Apple and Valve are some of the few that have native good running ports.


Bootcamp works, but you need to dual boot and it will take up your harddrive, driver support is also problematic. It's not that you cant have great gaming experiences. It's just that bootcamp is not good with controlling the fans. I've decided that my rMBP is just not for play. I hope to get a dedicated gaming notebook at some point in the future.

Besides that I am super happy with my RMBP. The keyboard, trackpad, even the speakers are amazing. It's the ultimate desktop replacement product while being super mobile at the same time. Only omission is gaming.
And even then, it only depends on the games. If you stick to many of the most popular titles like Dota 2, CS:GO, TF2, Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, WoW, then its completely fine. All those games run terrific.

 

[Coreda]

I've been using my laptop for 4/5+ hours every single day since mid-2011 and it'll still last me the entire fucking day. At least 5 hours of non-stop use, and that's a crazy conservative estimate.

So what exactly are you basing this on?

Very much depends on the type of usage, but I disagree with the parent comment that it's some intentional planned obsolescence. MacBook batteries are rated for a certain number of full charges (from 100% to 0%). If the battery is kept within the 50-100% range when used it will last far longer than if being depleted to 0% on a regular basis. I've replaced my battery once already in a couple years due to this and the current battery requires servicing and holds a charge of about 2 hours.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Anyone who actually thinks the price of the Macs is justified is an idiot. Im sorry, but youre paying for the name and that's it. A higher specced Windows laptop would cost you half what youd pay for a Mac, and youd probably still at least get an Ethernet port on it. But hey the Mac might look a bit fancier and sleeker, so I really hope that's worth the extra grand to you.

This defense is the weakest and oldest defense amongst people who hate on Apple products.

 

[AlteredBeast]

What about specs such as size, weight, rigidity, durability, battery life, keyboard and trackpad quality? Similar Windows laptops cost similar amounts of money. Just because those specs don't matter to you doesn't mean they don't matter to anyone.

This is only valid when speaking about the 13" MBP. You pay a huge premium for the 15 and 17 inch MBPs that you can find similar and sometimes much better specs elsewhere for much cheaper. My example above matches most of the 15" mbp specs, with a couple of things better (touchscreen, battery life, keyboard) and a couple of things worse (lower resolution, less ram, no superdrive), but for 900 dollars instead of 2000.

 

[Arcteryx]

A recent experience at a new job has confirmed to me that Mac fans are collectively delusional, and it requires a certain amount of cognitive dissonance in their part to maintain their collective delusion.

Yeah I know, you wouldn't expect me to say anything else, right? But in reality, I was fairly neutral about prospect of using Macs as long as it didn't cost me extra money. I have taught for years on Macs at Otis (local art college) and I can deal with it no problem. Or so I thought.

Then I got this new job at a major Hollywood studio in their licensing department. They told me I have to use a Mac. I said fine. for how much they are paying me, I will suffer through Linux if I had to.

So I show up at work first day and I find a 27" 2013 iMac on my desk. And it wasn't the base model either. It had 32GB of RAM and 1TB SSD in it. This config was probably $4000 easy. Out of habit though, having worked in many consultant positions, I always carry my Tablet PC to work the first day. Some jobs didn't provide a computer for several days even though it is onsite work, in the past.

It turns out that the computers at this place is used for 3 main things: Preparing high resolution multi page PDF files for the film-makers to do their final approval (I and others serve as first line of filter of all the licensee submissions), accessing online for web based database/submission system to catalog all the products being produced under license, and use a Wacom tablet to do draw overs when you need to clarify changes you are demanding to the licensees when necessary.

So let me get to why I think Mac users are collectively delusional: The majority of the creative crew for this job was assembled, along with a new creative director in the last 4 months prior to my arrival. Before that was just 2 people working on PCs with the web based app, which was written for Internet Explorer. This system goes back a few years it turns out, before Firefox really took off. Anyways, when the new creative director came in, she ordered all the gear for the new crew that was about to be hired. Being a "creative", she demanded Macs. Even though the job required interaction with Internet Explorer based web application, Macs were bought. Expensive Macs. $4000 per station. paired with $70 Wacom tablets. Yeesh....

So my first week with the Mac, I quickly find the workflow EXCRUCIATING. I had Safari, Firefox, and Chrome preloaded in my iMac. ALL OF THEM crashed every third or so links I clicked on their web based submission system. My coworkers were all like "Yep, that's 'X (name of the web based system which will remain anonymous in this post)' for ya. It is just GARBAGE. It's terrible. But what can we do? We have to use it. You'll get use to it." they said. So I grinned and soldiered on. But one of the consultants that's been there for years was on a PC. She's the one who later told me that the web system was written for IE. And that's why she insisted on keeping her PC when the new director came in, and that's why she doesn't complain like others about 'X' because it doesn't crash on her all the time. Amazing...

And what about dealing with PDF files? You'd think 27" iMac with 32GB of RAM super fast SSD and 2560x1440 resolution would be more than up to the task right? Well no. because they only had Adobe Acrobat Pro for me to process the PDF files. I don't know how many of you have to deal with this vile POS program, but it is a work of the devil. Simple things like mark ups and text annotation is a fucking pain in the ass since something basic like text size options are limited to certain number, so it you have a really high res image, you will make tiny ass text mark ups that you have to zoom way the hell in just to read! Fucking INSANE. And draw overs on those files? Fucking hell, just to do a simple draw over, you have to disassemble the stupid PDF by using Photoshop to import images one page at a time, use a shitty $70 Intuos Basic tablet to mark over it like it's 1995 by staring away from your hand while you draw, then use Acrobat again to assemble all the pages back into a single binder. That's like 5 steps just to draw over a single image. I couldn't bear the pace. Even though I'm a consultant paid by the hour, the shitty workflow was killing me, ESPECIALLY since I knew I had PDF Annotator installed in my Tablet PC that I could do the draw over in ONE SINGLE STEP by DRAWING ON THE SCREEN on my Tablet PC.

So I decided to use the iMac to only check email and access the local network, and use my Tablet PC to do the web system access and PDF file preparation. And I breezed along on all draw overs. Others looked at me like I was performing some black magic and started to push all the draw overs on my inbox (which was fine with me since I enjoy that more than slogging through a database).

After couple of week of this, I just flat out demanded a PC to replace my iMac when they brought in another consultant, and she needed a Mac. I gladly have up my $4000 iMac and requested any old PC they had on hand so I can run Internet Explorer and DPF Annotator. Been much happier since.

So that's my story. For $4000, they could have equipped all the stations with a decent PC and a 22" Cintiq with a second high resolution monitor to do the work much more efficiency and much less pain. But these people NEED their fucking Macs, no matter how painful it makes their workflow. Now THAT'S definition of delusional, and cognitive dissonance if there ever was one.

First off, this post is straight comedy gold. Not only does it demonstrate the fanaticism

Spoiler

stupidity

of the anti-Mac trolls, but it really boggles my mind that people still give a shit what others spend their money on(in this case it's a company, but it works for consumers as well).

Lets get to the nitty-gritty:

You got a new job and somehow came to the conclusion that, because your employer has Macs, that somehow ALL Mac users are "delusional"(your words, not mine).

I'll "drill-down" into your "argument" in a minute, but overall, I can't even begin to understand how you can explain your argument for ALL Mac users. Your beef seems to be with your employer.

Before that was just 2 people working on PCs with the web based app, which was written for Internet Explorer. This system goes back a few years it turns out, before Firefox really took off. Anyways, when the new creative director came in, she ordered all the gear for the new crew that was about to be hired. Being a "creative", she demanded Macs. Even though the job required interaction with Internet Explorer based web application, Macs were bought. Expensive Macs. $4000 per station. paired with $70 Wacom tablets.

So let me get this straight: your employer has a web-app that was originally written for IE(hahahahaha), they get a new creative, the creative wants to switch to Macs, etc.

Again: this is an employer issue. Why are you blaming this on Apple? Apple didn't write the shitty IE web-app that your employer is using. How hard is that to understand? or are you willfully ignoring that fact? The creative director decided that and your employer decided to keep using a shitty IE app.

But one of the consultants that's been there for years was on a PC. She's the one who later told me that the web system was written for IE. And that's why she insisted on keeping her PC when the new director came in, and that's why she doesn't complain like others about 'X' because it doesn't crash on her all the time.

Wow, you don't say. I bet Apple designed that app, amirite? You seem to think the reason it crashed on Safari, Firefox and Chrome was due to it simply being a Mac, rather than the fact that it was designed for IE. Go test it in Firefox/Chrome on a PC and I bet it fucks up just as much there as well.

Well no. because they only had Adobe Acrobat Pro for me to process the PDF files.

Wow, I bet Apple locked them into that app too right? Oh wait, you can install applications on Macs... hmmm maybe you should bring this up to your employer?

ESPECIALLY since I knew I had PDF Annotator installed in my Tablet PC that I could do the draw over in ONE SINGLE STEP by DRAWING ON THE SCREEN on my Tablet PC.

Congrats, you're used to a specific workflow. Either get with the program or ask for a PC/different app to use on your Mac. Again, how is this the fault of Apple?

But these people NEED their fucking Macs, no matter how painful it makes their workflow. Now THAT'S definition of delusional, and cognitive dissonance if there ever was one.

Again, you said the creative director ordered it. It's up to them/the employees to decide workflow. If shit sucks...speak up. Use another app. Get a PC. Do whatever you need to get your shit done.
And no, no, it isn't the definition of delusional. The fact that you apply this to ALL Mac users, when in reality, it's the fault of your employer, THAT is delusional.

 

[mmazurkiewicz]

OP don't you drive a GTR?

why you struggling with this decision then?

 

[Dougald]

I think once you get past the 13" MBP, Apple kind of know that anyone looking at these either doesn't care about price, or is entrenched in the ecosystem and *needs* a mac

While the Airs and MBP13 are pretty good value, the 15MBP is a little overpriced (it still compares reasonably well with something like a Thinkpad X1 carbon, but this is also very pricey), and the Mac Pro is hilariously overpriced.

 

[Doominated]

Good lord

Every page of this thread was like a new strand of AIDS being released to the entire world's population.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I think once you get past the 13" MBP, Apple kind of know that anyone looking at these either doesn't care about price, or is entrenched in the ecosystem and *needs* a mac

While the Airs and MBP13 are pretty good value, the 15MBP is a little overpriced (it still compares reasonably well with something like a Thinkpad X1 carbon, but this is also very pricey), and the Mac Pro is hilariously overpriced.

I got the mid-range rMBP 13-inch from the refurbished store for around the same price as the X1 Carbon.

 

[Bill S. Preston. Esq.]

Got me one of dem late 2013 15" retina macbook pros in March. It is the shit!
Just a joy to use. Way too powerful for my needs but fuck it! Can't see me needing another machine for years. It all just works so well! Love it. Expensive but again, fuck it!

 

[ShadiWulf]

Both OS X and Windows 8.1 are good OS. Both can likely do what you need to get done. Really just a matter of what you prefer and what applications you want to use. Some are only on Windows, some are only on Mac and some applications are on both OS. I use both OS X and Windows on a daily basis, neither OS is perfect. If you are picky you will never find an OS that makes you 100% happy. They all have their issues. Go with whatever makes you feel better, chances are you'll be happy either way. It sorta sounds like you already made up your mind. If you want to fully switch to Apple and have the money for their high priced devices, then go for it. Apple devices work really nicely with eachother. Certainly a benefit to locking yourself in the Apple ecosystem.

In the end, its your choice. Everyone has their own opinion though, as you can see.

I will say though that Apple laptops are really nice. Very premium high quality devices. If you haven't, go to an Apple store and try using a macbook. You'll see how much better they are then the average Windows laptop. Of course there is good Windows based laptops too, but sadly the big majority of them are low cost budget laptops, which gives people the wrong impression of the Windows OS.

 

[TekGryphon]

Which he 100% does not have to. If that is his excuse, he is clearly not thinking things through. Classic Shell, etc. are extremely good fixes for what might otherwise be a jarring transition for some to Windows 8.

But that's the crux of the issue.

Apple devices do not lead in any category at their price point. In years past they would be competitive with other flagships, even if they did cost 25-50% more. Now? Forget it. Outdated hardware from top to bottom on top of the price premium.

But it all comes down to one thing:

It's 2015. If you're still struggling with the Windows "8" interface, then you are the one demographic that truly needs Apple. I will never dissuade someone from buying an Apple if it's clear they are utterly incapable of using anything else.

 

[AlteredBeast]

But that's the crux of the issue.

Apple devices do not lead in any category at their price point. In years past they would be competitive with other flagships, even if they did cost 25-50% more. Now? Forget it. Outdated hardware from top to bottom on top of the price premium.

But it all comes down to one thing:

It's 2015. If you're still struggling with the Windows "8" interface, then you are the one demographic that truly needs Apple. I will never dissuade someone from buying an Apple if it's clear they are utterly incapable of using anything else.

Excellent point.

 

[Dennis]

Don't think I will ever go back to PC for office-type work and laptops.

That leaves gaming as the only reason to have a souped-up PC.

 

[Druz]

The irony here is stronk.
I changed my 4 years old plastic MacBook because i wanted something shinier and it worked flawlessly until the last day i had it, i'm sure the fucker would still work if i still had it.

Apple started using GG with the iPhone 4, now i don't remember when the original GG started to be featured in other phones but i'm sure it wasn't much earlier.

Don't understand the point of you saying this. Laptops still work after four years all of the time. Only difference with Apple is that you feel justified in your purchase assuming no one else lasts that long.

Amazing. I don't know that there's a single accurate point in this post. I'd like to think the part about your own occupation would at least be correct, but even that doesn't make any sense given how off everything else is.

Thanks for the contribution. I can't disagree since you've offered nothing.

oh man, you fucked up for sure son:

Don't worry, I won't make you do all the math, so here's a hint:

Spoiler

it rhymes with seven

I didn't fuck up anywhere. You're taking my sentence like I'm saying laptops can't last 5 years. It was a statement that your arrogance over product life is pointless because your shiny aluminum shell still relies on traditional mechanical drives.

What Mac laptop has a HDD in it? Those have been gone for years across the lineup haven't they?

Year(s) is technically correct because that's anything more than 1 year.

Were you aiming for worst post in this thread? I think you got it, especially about the 5 year thing.

All of these quotes targeted the same sentence. 5 years was a randomly chosen number... X years would have worked

 

[jts]

Druz m8... a mechanical 2.5" HDD is easily and cheaply replaceable, weather by another mechanical one or by an SSD.

Do you throw away your computer if your HDD breaks? I don't see the issue tbh. I understand that the machine is useless for a while, but that's a shared flaw with any other computer using the same kind of HDD, which is a very breakable part, easily gone in case of a fall etc. But it's not why computers die or are less reliable. It is grasping at straws.

Besides, Apple have been pushing solid state storage like no other, and have pushed backup software for years like no other too.

 

[RayMaker]

Why dont you just get windows 7 or maybe wait for 10.

I don't see the point in spending loads of money on a new computer when you only wanna do word processing type things.

It seems like u just wanna buy a new toy.

Reinstalling your OS will make it seem like new.

 

[Phoenix]

You know you could just download Classic Shell for your current laptop and all your problems will most likely be solved. It seems you're set on Apple though. Apple is acceptable for almost everything but gaming

Spoiler

which is why I don't recommend it personally.

Actually they are fairly good gaming rigs in their own right as well. Just Bootcamp them over to Windows when you really need to run games. I do that when I need to test Oculus builds for Windows and it works just fine. They aren't "gaming" laptops, but they certainly don't have the "not for gaming" stigma that people try to associate with them.

 

[enzo_gt]

But that's the crux of the issue.

Apple devices do not lead in any category at their price point. In years past they would be competitive with other flagships, even if they did cost 25-50% more. Now? Forget it. Outdated hardware from top to bottom on top of the price premium.

But it all comes down to one thing:

It's 2015. If you're still struggling with the Windows "8" interface, then you are the one demographic that truly needs Apple. I will never dissuade someone from buying an Apple if it's clear they are utterly incapable of using anything else.

This is poetry if I've ever seen it in my life.

 

[NekoFever]

It's amazing how angry some people wanting to spend more for a nice laptop makes certain folks. Every time.

I appreciate your concern but spending a couple hundred extra isn't going to break me.

 

[Mr.Pig]

This is poetry if I've ever seen it in my life.

If you are struggling with the windows 8 interface, you will struggle with the osx interface. Everything is different and located in different places than windows. A change of OS will always require you getting used to its quirks.

 

[Brerlappin]

This defense is the weakest and oldest defense amongst people who hate on Apple products.

That might hold water if i wasnt forced to support/use apple products on a daily basis. Like the other poster with the $4000 iMac that was useless for his job, i have users here with expensive ass iMacs that cant do the job as well as a €500 windows laptop can do. The last girl who worked here practically begged me to buy her a Windows laptop to replace the iMac. Not to mention that every mac in the office had to be hardwired via Ethernet due to the Macs having such poor wifi poerformance they all kept constantly timing out to our wifi, while my windows laptop barely ever dropped the connection. Macbooks and their ilk belong in Starbucks, not in any kind of corporate environment.

 

[EmiPrime]

That might hold water if i wasnt forced to support/use apple products on a daily basis. Like the other poster with the $4000 iMac that was useless for his job, i have users here with expensive ass iMacs that cant do the job as well as a €500 windows laptop can do. The last girl who worked here practically begged me to buy her a Windows laptop to replace the iMac. Not to mention that every mac in the office had to be hardwired via Ethernet due to the Macs having such poor wifi poerformance they all kept constantly timing out to our wifi, while my windows laptop barely ever dropped the connection. Macbooks and their ilk belong in Starbucks, not in any kind of corporate environment.

My iMac has ridiculous wifi performance, especially to ac routers. Ethernet like performance even when the router is downstairs.

The problem in your office isn't the iMacs but whoever is doing your IT.

 

[NekoFever]

That might hold water if i wasnt forced to support/use apple products on a daily basis. Like the other poster with the $4000 iMac that was useless for his job, i have users here with expensive ass iMacs that cant do the job as well as a €500 windows laptop can do. The last girl who worked here practically begged me to buy her a Windows laptop to replace the iMac. Not to mention that every mac in the office had to be hardwired via Ethernet due to the Macs having such poor wifi poerformance they all kept constantly timing out to our wifi, while my windows laptop barely ever dropped the connection. Macbooks and their ilk belong in Starbucks, not in any kind of corporate environment.

Meanwhile, just before Christmas, I had to get my personal MBP to give a presentation because none of the HP laptops in the office could maintain a wireless signal in our meeting room. Anecdotes are fun.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Macbooks and their ilk belong in Starbucks, not in any kind of corporate environment.

People should be able to choose. Some people prefer to work on windows, some on macs. Whatever happened to the grand idea of IT as an enabler?

 

[jts]

That might hold water if i wasnt forced to support/use apple products on a daily basis. Like the other poster with the $4000 iMac that was useless for his job, i have users here with expensive ass iMacs that cant do the job as well as a €500 windows laptop can do. The last girl who worked here practically begged me to buy her a Windows laptop to replace the iMac. Not to mention that every mac in the office had to be hardwired via Ethernet due to the Macs having such poor wifi poerformance they all kept constantly timing out to our wifi, while my windows laptop barely ever dropped the connection. Macbooks and their ilk belong in Starbucks, not in any kind of corporate environment.

Macs poor wifi performance.

 

[LeleSocho]

Don't understand the point of you saying this. Laptops still work after four years all of the time. Only difference with Apple is that you feel justified in your purchase assuming no one else lasts that long.

I didn't fuck up anywhere. You're taking my sentence like I'm saying laptops can't last 5 years. It was a statement that your arrogance over product life is pointless because your shiny aluminum shell still relies on traditional mechanical drives.

All of these quotes targeted the same sentence. 5 years was a randomly chosen number... X years would have worked

There's a reason why everyone targeted the same sentence, it's because you said an insanely stupid thing.

While true that HDDs fail just like every other one in any other computer because of the nature of the hardware everything else on the machine is notoriously more durable, go look how many random pcs fail every 3 or so years because the screen goes kaput or the hinges break or even the mobo fails to work all of a sudden.
Your reasoning is flawed because you assume that people say that only Macs can last 4+ years while actually people say that any +900$ notebook does that and that MacBooks are the safest choice you can make because they are essentially 3-4 different models counting all the line up and are the same since forever hence making almost impossible to fall into the "per model" problems any other computer can have.

It's about averages, on average MacBooks are more prone to last 5 years or more than pcs because in the pc family you must also add the 300$ crap while MacBooks have a baseline quality waaaay higher than that.

If you really want to complain about something Apple related bash on those pieces of shit chargers they make.

 

[TekGryphon]

If you really want to complain about something Apple related bash on those pieces of shit chargers they make.

No reason to stop there. Shit chargers, shit battery system, shit resolution and pixel density, shit CPU, shit RAM, shit GPU, etc etc etc.

Another poster said he was surprised to see people upset at others paying huge price premiums for "something nice". It's not about that. It's disbelief at people paying huge premiums for 2 year out-of-date technology, just because of a logo.