Impressions of Paper Mario 2: The Thousand Year Door (Or: the official thread)
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I haven't posted in this thread yet, but I'm board + at work + really tired from very little sleep due to marathoning 25 hours of PM2 this past weekend (chapter 6 currently).
Anyhow as a big rpg buff, I gotta say I like PM2 very much but at the same time the game makes me hate it.
+Battle system is great
+Dungeon are really really good. If I start a dungeon at 2am, I'm not sleeping until 4-5am when I finish it. I haven't had as much fun in dungeons since Zelda.
+art is nice though the slowdown does suck and happens to often
+for once collecting is fun. Trying to find all the shines and star pieces and badges actually feels rewarding and it's usually fun looking for them. Feels like a Zelda game in this regard.
-PAPER BACKTRACKING TWO. My god, I don't think I've ever played an rpg with as much pointless running back and forth in my entire life and I play A LOT of rpgs >.< Running back and forth 2-6 times a chapter through entire levels is so fucking lame and is total padding IMO which doesn't seem necessary considering that the game is actually a very good length.
--So much dialouge. Now don't get me wrong. I like what they're actually saying, I just don't like the fact that everytime someone opens their mouth it results in 10+ bubbles of text. This is coming from a major Xenogears/Xenosaga fan. I don't mind people talking for 10 pages but it has to be interesting, not just "Go to the next town and buy a peach for us!" explained over 10 pages. The Liugi stories are an exception because they are long on purpose (ie mario falling asleep in them). But like my god the pre-chapter 6 scene at the room with the guy in bed jeezus, that was like 15 mins of talking.
--Pacing is crap crap crap. Like I said, I LOVE the dungeons and the battles. So it kinda irks me that going by my save data times, from when I get stage clear on one stage to when I get the actual dungeon with enemies of the next stage it's usually around 2 hours. TWO HOURS of talking to people and finding shit and backtracking before I can get an attack in. Seriously this just ticks me off because it feels like padding and I just find it boring.
So yea, I still need to finish it today or tomorrow. But so far it's about an 8/10 to me. It just bugs me that the fun parts make up a 9.5/10 game but the few annoyances are so in your face all the time that it seriously brings the game down a few points. The game reminds me of Star Ocean 3 in that they were both padded to hell when they didn't need it, and that both had strong points but tons of annoyances hurt them. But at least PM2 has a kickass battle system that's not broken.
PS. I think dungeon crawler (SMT3 style) Paper Mario would be an awesome game.
Anyhow as a big rpg buff, I gotta say I like PM2 very much but at the same time the game makes me hate it.
+Battle system is great
+Dungeon are really really good. If I start a dungeon at 2am, I'm not sleeping until 4-5am when I finish it. I haven't had as much fun in dungeons since Zelda.
+art is nice though the slowdown does suck and happens to often
+for once collecting is fun. Trying to find all the shines and star pieces and badges actually feels rewarding and it's usually fun looking for them. Feels like a Zelda game in this regard.
-PAPER BACKTRACKING TWO. My god, I don't think I've ever played an rpg with as much pointless running back and forth in my entire life and I play A LOT of rpgs >.< Running back and forth 2-6 times a chapter through entire levels is so fucking lame and is total padding IMO which doesn't seem necessary considering that the game is actually a very good length.
--So much dialouge. Now don't get me wrong. I like what they're actually saying, I just don't like the fact that everytime someone opens their mouth it results in 10+ bubbles of text. This is coming from a major Xenogears/Xenosaga fan. I don't mind people talking for 10 pages but it has to be interesting, not just "Go to the next town and buy a peach for us!" explained over 10 pages. The Liugi stories are an exception because they are long on purpose (ie mario falling asleep in them). But like my god the pre-chapter 6 scene at the room with the guy in bed jeezus, that was like 15 mins of talking.
--Pacing is crap crap crap. Like I said, I LOVE the dungeons and the battles. So it kinda irks me that going by my save data times, from when I get stage clear on one stage to when I get the actual dungeon with enemies of the next stage it's usually around 2 hours. TWO HOURS of talking to people and finding shit and backtracking before I can get an attack in. Seriously this just ticks me off because it feels like padding and I just find it boring.
So yea, I still need to finish it today or tomorrow. But so far it's about an 8/10 to me. It just bugs me that the fun parts make up a 9.5/10 game but the few annoyances are so in your face all the time that it seriously brings the game down a few points. The game reminds me of Star Ocean 3 in that they were both padded to hell when they didn't need it, and that both had strong points but tons of annoyances hurt them. But at least PM2 has a kickass battle system that's not broken.
PS. I think dungeon crawler (SMT3 style) Paper Mario would be an awesome game.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
So about how long does this game take?
TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
25 - 40 hours? Shit I'm 48 hours in and I just started the last chapter.
Oh man I'm having a blast. I'm about to embark on Chapter 5, I have 20 HP, 20 FP and 24 BP. Been playing for about 17 hours so far.
Chapter 4 was short, but sweet. I've heard about
Where can I fight him and how hard is he?
Before beginning Chapter 5, I wanted to do some sidequests, so I did a couple of Trouble Missions, including the one where I get
Oh, and I'm so happy
joined my group 
Chapter 4 was short, but sweet. I've heard about
a secret boss in the Creepy Steeple. Atomic Boo?
Before beginning Chapter 5, I wanted to do some sidequests, so I did a couple of Trouble Missions, including the one where I get
Ms.Mowz
Oh, and I'm so happy
Vivian
I think I clocked in 38 hours when I completed the game... probably a little more, but I'm not sure.
Question/request time
1. Can someone get me a picture of
I saved before I thought of capturing a picture.
2. Where is
? I want to go battle it. Does it resemble
?
3. What is the "alternate" way to
that Mejilan alluded to?
Question/request time
1. Can someone get me a picture of
possessed Peach, with the witch outfit?
2. Where is
Atomic Boo
the giant ghosts from the other Mario games
3. What is the "alternate" way to
activate the 8-bit versions of yourself
Atomic Boo:
In the Creepy Steeple, if you hang out too long in the stained class main corridor, you get surrounded by all the itty Boos and get thrown out. If you let a bunch surround you, charge up your Hammer Spin, and whack enough of them, they cry out, morph into one, and attack. I don't know if your answer to the question that first Boo makes before it unleashes the mob will affect this sequence of events or not. And yes, Atomic Boo = Giant Boo.
8-Bit Sprites: In one of the rooms in the X-Naut Lunar Base (Sublevel 2?) you can Ultra Spin Jump through a loose panel in the ceiling to a walkway above. This walkway has a series of barred gratings that you can "thin yourself" through. One of them leads back to the room where you changed into an X-Naut costume as Peach, only you'll land on top one of the changing stalls. Jump into it, and if the drapes are closed when you jump into it, by the time you exit, you'll hear the classic SMB theme song and your crew will be 8-bit. Check out the rest of them in your party screen before leaving.
In the Creepy Steeple, if you hang out too long in the stained class main corridor, you get surrounded by all the itty Boos and get thrown out. If you let a bunch surround you, charge up your Hammer Spin, and whack enough of them, they cry out, morph into one, and attack. I don't know if your answer to the question that first Boo makes before it unleashes the mob will affect this sequence of events or not. And yes, Atomic Boo = Giant Boo.
8-Bit Sprites: In one of the rooms in the X-Naut Lunar Base (Sublevel 2?) you can Ultra Spin Jump through a loose panel in the ceiling to a walkway above. This walkway has a series of barred gratings that you can "thin yourself" through. One of them leads back to the room where you changed into an X-Naut costume as Peach, only you'll land on top one of the changing stalls. Jump into it, and if the drapes are closed when you jump into it, by the time you exit, you'll hear the classic SMB theme song and your crew will be 8-bit. Check out the rest of them in your party screen before leaving.
Crazymoogle
Member
mejilan's right about atomic boo; I was wondering what people were talking about until I checked my tattle log; I thought atomic boo was a mandatory boss battle!
For those not looking elsewhere: if you miss a tattle, don't sweat it. Tattles you absolutely can't get anymore show up in Professor's Frankley's trash can.
Also; just tested the W+L idea, and it does work: equip Wario and Luigi badges simultaneously to dress like Waluigi.
Time to prep for the dungeon again...
For those not looking elsewhere: if you miss a tattle, don't sweat it. Tattles you absolutely can't get anymore show up in Professor's Frankley's trash can.
Also; just tested the W+L idea, and it does work: equip Wario and Luigi badges simultaneously to dress like Waluigi.
Time to prep for the dungeon again...
About that 8-bit party thing...
I misread Mejilan's post... I thought he meant that there was ANOTHER method of getting the 8-bit party, other than "dropping in".
Bah. I need a giant image of ...that boss. I need to remember to copy my game save files before I battle the final bosses.
I misread Mejilan's post... I thought he meant that there was ANOTHER method of getting the 8-bit party, other than "dropping in".
Bah. I need a giant image of ...that boss. I need to remember to copy my game save files before I battle the final bosses.