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The focus of research and development must be on software, he said, adding: “The most important thing is that, to improve organisational strength in the areas of development, purchasing and marketing, it will be necessary to further concentrate power in the hands of [Sir Howard] and unless this is achieved we believe [Sony] will be unable to close the gap with competitors such as Apple and Nintendo.”
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makes it sound more like they are trying to streamline their business strategies between their different divisions. I dunno know how anyone could think they are considering cutting their game division when they specifically mention Nintendo as their competition. :lol
 
Forsete said:
They are counted as Sony/KM sales obviously, not the stuff they make for Nikon (sensors for D300, D90, D3x).

They are far behind Canikon, but they have only owned KM for about 2 years and just released their 35mm FF 5-6 months ago. In that time the growth has been strong.
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I didn't know they did the D3x sensor too, ace (I stopped following where chips were coming from and the # of megapixels on them a couple of years ago after deciding it was a stupid argument by-and-large). I like their stuff - I had a 35mm Minolta and think their chips and the collaboration with Zeiss is great, it just wouldn't surprise me that *if* "sacred cow cuts" come they'd take a good look at the operation. Moreso than anything tied to 'content'.
 
Blah, all this recession bs and doom and gloom articles are making me sick. Yeah, companies are having a tough time right now but the Playstation division will be fine.
 
Nafai1123 said:
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makes it sound more like they are trying to streamline their business strategies between their different divisions. I dunno know how anyone could think they are considering cutting their game division when they specifically mention Nintendo as their competition. :lol
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Shut up! With the power of wishful thinking anything could happen! We just have to pray really hard!
 
Nafai1123 said:
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makes it sound more like they are trying to streamline their business strategies between their different divisions. I dunno know how anyone could think they are considering cutting their game division when they specifically mention Nintendo as their competition. :lol
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Pronouns are tricky, aren't they? The first "they" I bolded refers to Sony and the second "they" refers to a Credit Suisse analyst quoted in the article. Credit Suisse obviously sees Nintendo as Sony's competition at the moment, which might inform us about what Credit Suisse thinks Sony should do but tells us nothing whatsoever about Sony's internal deliberations.
 
Nafai1123 said:
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makes it sound more like they are trying to streamline their business strategies between their different divisions. I dunno know how anyone could think they are considering cutting their game division when they specifically mention Nintendo as their competition. :lol
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because people who dont own a ps3 and want to see it go under see what they want to see
 
They should go to town on their first party studios. Too many insane projects.

That being said they'd be crazy to let go of SCEI, doesn't make much sense at all.

Good chance of several of the semiconductor subsidiaries being closed down. Shiroshi Semiconductor would be a prime candidate, Nichia hold the market.

Anyway all of this will eventually lead to the Sony-Matsushita marriage. Sony and Panasonic will end up as one company sooner or later. Pioneer will eventually be absorbed into Panasonic too. Only way to compete with Samsung's dirt cheap labour.
 
wiid said:
http://kotaku.com/5123292/sony-to-close-major-divisions-next-month?skyline=true&s=x
http://uk.reuters.com/article/techn...edType=RSS&feedName=technology-media-telco-SP



interesting, could this really happen?
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Yes. The writing is on the wall as far as I'm concerned. The more interesting question is what happens to the Playstation branding, assets, and IP when this happens.
Scenario 1:
Microsoft would love to call their systems Playstation in some markets and would also love to have PS2 and PS1 backwards compatibility as a selling point in future systems. Hell, they could probably add PS1 to the 360 in software in as little as a few months. They could probably convince a few publishers to port some more PS3 properties (example: MGS4) to the 360. Additionally, I could see them getting a lot of the more unique PSP games ported as XBLA experiences.

Scenario 2:
Some other company that would like to make a profit out of the PS2 and PS1 businesses.

Scenario 3:
SCE drops the majority of their activities and refocuses on the PS2 - possibly releasing a beefed up PS2 as a direct competitor to the Wii. The biggest problem with this is that they have contracts with a lot of other publishers and development houses relating to the PS3 that might be defaulted upon by this type of action.

Scenario 4:
Nintendo. Grudge-fucking. More layers to the Virtual Console in future iterations.

Is it a requirement at Kotaku to fail at basic English grammar?
 
actually whats more important to sony? selling TV or selling Playstation brand?
and i thought sony was making tons of money from movies like spiderman and something
 
avaya said:
They should go to town on their first party studios. Too many insane projects.

That being said they'd be crazy to let go of SCEI, doesn't make much sense at all.

Good chance of several of the semiconductor subsidiaries being closed down. Shiroshi Semiconductor would be a prime candidate, Nichia hold the market.

Anyway all of this will eventually lead to the Sony-Matsushita marriage. Sony and Panasonic will end up as one company sooner or later. Pioneer will eventually be absorbed into Panasonic too. Only way to compete with Samsung's dirt cheap labour.
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Matsushita have probably been eyeing up Pioneer for a while now to compliment their Technics brand.
 
I'll just say what I said in the OP thread - Whatever happens, I hope their software devs won't be hit too hard. I love many of their games, and love the kind of budget and attention they're getting.

As for the hardware divisions, those are just vessels in which software is delivered, so at the end of the day, it doesn't matter much what happens to them. If the times are tough for hardware, they should consider some kind of joint venture with MS or making some kind of open chipset with other CE manufacturers for the future console.
 
mintylurb said:
So, you're satisfied with MS's denial regarding their rumored layoff but you're not satisfied with Sony's denial? Jebus, talk about being transparent..
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:lol Some fans are so biased they can't even see the contradictions in their own post history
 
bmf said:
Is it a requirement at Kotaku to fail at basic English grammar?
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Yes, it's kotaku. Failing is what they do.

mintylurb said:
So, you're satisfied with MS's denial regarding their rumored layoff but you're not satisfied with Sony's denial? Jebus, talk about being transparent..
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satisfied? nope, it just might not be as bad as that rumor suggest.
 
another week another PlayStation is doomed/ to be discontinued thread:lol

with how their lineup is looking compared to the competition this year do you really think they would fold?
 
wiid said:
Yes, it's kotaku. Failing is what they do.



satisfied? nope, it just might not be as bad as that rumor suggest.
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Is that why you wrote /thread in the Microsoft thread? Because you weren't satisfied with Microsoft's PR?
 
But Sony won the HD format war, and the PS3 is a big player in holding that market and keeping it moving. I can't really see why Sony would shut down a division that basically created a different division, thanks to PS3 initially moving as the main Blu-Ray player.
 
Andronicus said:
another week another PlayStation is doomed/ to be discontinued thread:lol

with how their lineup is looking compared to the competition this year do you really think they would fold?
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Why do you keep bumping the thread then?

It's a discussion about Sony itself that has been going on for quite some time. NO it's not necessarily centered on the gaming division, just inefficiencies in general.

YES it will most likely postpone any drastic price cuts to the PS3.
 
Tartarus said:
Is that why you wrote /thread in the Microsoft thread? Because you weren't satisfied with Microsoft's PR?
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/thread can be a joke. Also, workforce reduction by attrition and non-renewal of contracts has been speculated as the form that a majority of those layoffs might take. That's different than pink-slipping a bunch of employees.
 
cilonen said:
Matsushita have probably been eyeing up Pioneer for a while now to compliment their Technics brand.
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Yep, the crossovers are everywhere,

As has been mentioned Sharp took a controlling stake in Pioneer, however Sharp will sell up if Matsushita come, it's just the way things work amongst the Japanese CEs.

A lot of the newer restructuring might involve carve-out's and spin-off's. Sony Corporation would keep majority ownership. Several divisions are prime candidates for spin-off's Sony Pictures chief amongst them, this one has been rumoured as a possibility for years.

They could possibly spin-off SCEI too. That would be a drastic measure.
 
One of the things to top off last years start would be a major publisher selling off some Ip, houses and assets to another. I doubt it will happen at this stage though. At least I hope anyway, Sony has some of the best dev houses etc and they work well under them.
 
Evlar said:
Pronouns are tricky, aren't they? The first "they" I bolded refers to Sony and the second "they" refers to a Credit Suisse analyst quoted in the article. Credit Suisse obviously sees Nintendo as Sony's competition at the moment, which might inform us about what Credit Suisse thinks Sony should do but tells us nothing whatsoever about Sony's internal deliberations.
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Ah, my bad. Guess I didn't read it closely enough. One analyst predicts they might cut some divisions and people jump to the conclusion that the gaming division is doomed. Then another analyst predicts that Sony needs to restructure in order to compete with Nintendo and everyone ignores it?

Sounds like selective interpretation to me...
 
bmf said:
/thread can be a joke. Also, workforce reduction by attrition and non-renewal of contracts has been speculated as the form that a majority of those layoffs might take. That's different than pink-slipping a bunch of employees.
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A lot of people loosing their jobs versus a lot of people loosing their jobs?

It all sucks so much.... bleh.
 
Andronicus said:
another week another PlayStation is doomed/ to be discontinued thread:lol

with how their lineup is looking compared to the competition this year do you really think they would fold?
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If a good looking person was stranded in the ocean without a safety vest do they automatically survive.?
 
1. I fucked up the numbers. Sorry. It was very late.

2. I don't believe most people are saying that Sony is going to cut video games completely. I I think everyone can agree that a change of strategy will occur. Nothing more.
 
with how their lineup is looking compared to the competition this year do you really think they would fold?
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What does this have to do with anything? It's an issue with the profitability of the company, not with a lack of games.
 
antiloop said:
A lot of people loosing their jobs versus a lot of people loosing their jobs?

It all sucks so much.... bleh.
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It's employees who work in a division that is considered redundant being made redundant vs. people who quit, who are fired, or who have a contract with an end date not getting renewed.

It's more than just semantics.
 
bmf said:
It's employees who work in a division that is considered redundant being made redundant vs. people who quit, who are fired, or who have a contract with an end date not getting renewed.

It's more than just semantics.
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Dear god. The stupid. It hurts.

So we've had people who will readily discount PR from companies they don't like, whilst pushing PR from companies they do...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14247054&postcount=223
Jtyettis said:
If the Times sources are correct (even in light of Sony's denial, aka "at this time"), "sacred cow slayings" does not sound very nice at all.
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vs.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14249191&postcount=5
Jtyettis said:
CNBC reporting massive layoffs unlikely. Some series of cost cutting measures likely.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28482589/
Probably a bit more reliable than the initial Fudzilla report. Although they did state the Xbox division is likley not to take a hit.
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And now we have people who want to see divisions named and shamed!!!1 as redundant to justify.. well, something. (I thought I had what that something was for a minute there but couldn't quite grasp the stupid).
 
cilonen said:
Dear god. The stupid. It hurts.

So we've had people who will readily discount PR from companies they don't like, whilst pushing PR from companies they do...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14247054&postcount=223


vs.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14249191&postcount=5



And now we have people who want to see divisions named and shamed!!!1 as redundant to justify.. well, something. (I thought I had what that something was for a minute there but couldn't quite grasp the stupid).
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Wow at that xbox fanboy. :lol This thread rocks.
 
Corrected numbers for the game division operating income/loss (per fiscal quarter):

Q2 2008 -$379 million

Q1 2008 +$51 million

Fiscal year 2007 -$1,245 million (1.2 Billion)

Q3 2007 +$113 million

Q2 2007 -$841 Million

Q1 2007 -$237 Million

Fiscal year 2006 -$1969 Million (1.9 Billion)

Q3 2006 -$455 Million

Q2 2006 -$369 Million (pre-PS3)


Total losses for this period (fiscal years plus first 2 quarters of the year) $3.542 Billion

Again, I apologize for the mistake.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/index.html

3.5 Billion, not 5.3 Billion.
 
Seriously, the 599 stigma is STRONG.

At least this article was some better meat than what Sony doom sayers are usually using.
 
cilonen said:
Dear god. The stupid. It hurts.

So we've had people who will readily discount PR from companies they don't like, whilst pushing PR from companies they do...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14247054&postcount=223


vs.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14249191&postcount=5



And now we have people who want to see divisions named and shamed!!!1 as redundant to justify.. well, something. (I thought I had what that something was for a minute there but couldn't quite grasp the stupid).
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The usual.:lol
 
cilonen said:
Dear god. The stupid. It hurts.

So we've had people who will readily discount PR from companies they don't like, whilst pushing PR from companies they do...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14247054&postcount=223


vs.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14249191&postcount=5



And now we have people who want to see divisions named and shamed!!!1 as redundant to justify.. well, something. (I thought I had what that something was for a minute there but couldn't quite grasp the stupid).
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Come on, it's Jtyettis. What did you expect. I figured most regular gaffers would be used to his shticks by now.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
Wow this thread's such a mess compared to the one in OT. :lol
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Ironically, this thread got the financial facts right, and the other one didn't. Gaming-side Gaffers know their sales.
 
The Playstation brands is as good as dead, I own a PS3. When I buy a console the company tends to die (I've owned TurboGraphix 16, Saturn, Dreamcast, Jaguar....)

RIP PS3

I have a 360 and Wii also, so those companies are fucked too :P
 
really, sony to kill off the gaming division just before ps3 enteres the profitable pahse of it's life cycle?

really some times i think people reporting these things are like 4 days new to console gaming or something.

playstation has been propping up sony since it's been in exsitance, after walkman lost it's cred it's been THE brand. PS3 has been the driver behind their tv's, blu-ray ... and now sony are supposdly going to cut the bottom out from under it.

people this isn't MS ahla xbox 1. playstation is sony's meat and potato's


this anti sony hype train lately has to stop, it's getting why out of hand, some of you are totally retarded.


PRICE CUT.
 
RubberJohnny said:
What does this have to do with anything? It's an issue with the profitability of the company, not with a lack of games.
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More good games = money. I seriously doubt any division will be cut or dramatically changed. It's probably just streamlining by merging studios and just getting rid of excess staff. Over the past years, companies could afford to have lots of uneeded staff (eg. too many secretaries, too many cleaners etc.) but not now.
 
sun-drop said:
really, sony to kill off the gaming division just before ps3 enteres the profitable pahse of it's life cycle?
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Many - myself included - doubt that the PS3 will have a profitable 'phase' anytime soon. If the current unprofitable 'phase' continues, it could be more trouble keeping it around than it's worth.
 
bmf said:
Many - myself included - doubt that the PS3 will have a profitable 'phase' anytime soon. If the current unprofitable 'phase' continues, it could be more trouble keeping it around than it's worth.
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Also, with confidence shaken in the PlayStation 3's future as a financially viable platform, isn't it possible that third-party publishers could begin to shift resources away from the PS3? Could we see more Xbox 360 exclusives as a byproduct of PS3 indifference?

If third-party support wanes, I don't believe that Sony's first-party development could make up for that shortfall and the PS3 would simply fade away. Sure, it's a "perfect storm" scenario, but I don't think it can be discounted as a ridiculous scenario.
 
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