brandonh83
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Naw man this is a theater movie.
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Independence Day:Resurgence|SPOILER THREAD|Today we celebrate our idenpendendneys day
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Naw man this is a theater movie.
GameAddict411
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A giant orb that sort of has a stare like this
appears from some space warp on the moon base, making them think it's with the evil aliens, but is actually from a race of good aliens that the evil aliens harvested, but as an advanced technology they survived and relocated to a "refugee" planet, and now the good aliens sent the orb to warn the earthlings and to work with them to combat the evil aliens, so the giant queen evil alien is after it so that can't happen as it would pose a legitimate threat, so the queen herself (really big) goes after it at Area 51, which is where they're hiding it, and lesser Hemsworth along with not Will Smith and the ex-POTUS's daughter in a stolen alien fighter attack the giant queen as it's stomping around Area 51 after a school bus full of kids being driven by Jeff Goldblum's dad
They kill the queen which is being shielded by many small alien fighters flying in a tornado-like manner around the queen because lesser Hemsworth gets the idea to... something about the eye of the tornado, giving them a window to blow away the queen before she can kill more earthlings, and Brackish Okun who wasn't dead just in a coma has figured out everything and decides they're going to team up with the good aliens for an intergalactic war with the bad aliens, saying "it's time to kick some alien ass"
and it ends
What a lovely summary!
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
The giant orb thing was creepy as fuck, especially the framing to show how massive it was to the moon station. There were genuinely cool sci fi shots throughout.
brandonh83
Banned
That was legitimately scary I was kind of bummed that it was good.
Seriously that orb was more frightening than the 3,000 mile wide ship lol
Just a big mysterious space eyeball that shows up with a SUBTLE BUT SCRUTINIZING STARE that almost looked like it was something from the bad aliens that has been travelling there for 20 years just to give us the ultimate staredown before blowing our shit to hell.
In IMAX 3D I was like, the back of my head was pushing into the head rest, I was like damn
The Elite
BOSS
I keep accidentally typing in Indepen-dance. I kind of want Will Smith to make a song to go with it.
That scene and the scene when the Queen first stepped out onto Area 51 had my eyeballs wide as hell and head back into the head rest.
sixteen-bit
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gotta work idenpendendneys into my vernacular
Aggelos
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I don't know.... I was hoping that the film would feature equal destruction to 2012 in terms of quantity. I really don't know why Emmerich toned down the the calamity scenes. I may as well start hoping for an Extended version when this film hits the Blu-Rays.....
Even back in 1996, there were companies that could do the first film (ID4) in full CGI. Technically it was possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Light_&_Magic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Domain
But financially?... Probably not... Totally unfeasible.....It would have skyrocketed the budget to unimaginable proportions, meaning that 20th Century FOX would have never footed the bill just for the sake of having everything in state-of-the-art CGI for a film that was a new IP.
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12023166/independence-day-2-review-resurgence-spoilers
bangbang i'm a timpani
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eh i'm never gonna see this thing anybody want to spoil it for me?
brandonh83
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I thought I did a pretty good job.
Also Vivica Fox falls from a chopper into a collapsing building and dies, Bill Pullman runs a suicide flight into the mothership to smoke out the queen so other people can kill it (they originally thought his suicide bomb would kill it but it HAS ITS OWN SHIELD), before dying he says something like "happy fourth of July"
bangbang i'm a timpani
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hah just read your rundown i'm kinda caught btw lol thats awesome and wtf thats riduclous
brandonh83
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That completely sums it up.
MisterHero
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How's the soundtrack? Does it resemble the original? Is it uplifting?
brandonh83
Banned
It has a new theme that it mostly uses that is pretty uplifting. The original theme is there but used more sparingly, and to pretty good effect when it does crop up. I'd say it's a mostly forgettable soundtrack relative to the first, but it's fine and the new theme is alright.
The end credits is the same as the original end credits, up to a point.
Shouta
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Kinda retreading my thoughts in the review thread but the movie is pretty enjoyable despite obvious flaws. Fewer threads to follow so there would be more time to build up the important and emotional ones would have made the film films stronger, I think.
However, looking at it from the same perspective as I did the original movie, I'd say it's pretty solid sequel. Not as good as the original but solid. Both films are fun from a sort of experience standpoint where you're there to see how it all plays out rather than try to get invested in any individual element. For me, that's sort of how I feel about Godzilla films in general. That's sort of ironic considering Emmerich's failure with that... Anyway, it just so happens that the original ID4 managed to get some really good moments that really helped it resonate for viewers. That's the key difference between the two.
However, looking at it from the same perspective as I did the original movie, I'd say it's pretty solid sequel. Not as good as the original but solid. Both films are fun from a sort of experience standpoint where you're there to see how it all plays out rather than try to get invested in any individual element. For me, that's sort of how I feel about Godzilla films in general. That's sort of ironic considering Emmerich's failure with that... Anyway, it just so happens that the original ID4 managed to get some really good moments that really helped it resonate for viewers. That's the key difference between the two.
Just saw it.
It was....ok. it wasn't offensive but it didn't really stand out. The new characters are given very little character building before the action starts so when stuff happens to them you don't really give a shit.
I'd actually say the Rotten Tomato score is fairly accurate. Middle of the road with some good eye candy to look at.
It was....ok. it wasn't offensive but it didn't really stand out. The new characters are given very little character building before the action starts so when stuff happens to them you don't really give a shit.
I'd actually say the Rotten Tomato score is fairly accurate. Middle of the road with some good eye candy to look at.
Aggelos
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You mean they use the ID4 Reprise during the end credits?
The IDR score reminds me somehow Hans Zimmer and his associates/disciples at the Remote Control Productions.
The "What goes up" cue is my favorite and has an undertone of the action-packed pulse-pounding music that you hear in Peacemaker.
http://lalalandrecords.com/Site/Peacemaker.html
http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1225
brandonh83
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Yeah. End credits music is the same as the original's end credits at least for a few minutes.
MisterHero
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Thanks for sharing. I was worried because the original composer wasn't involved. (?)
brandonh83
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He wasn't. The soundtrack is a lot like the movie itself. Not as good as the first, but passable for a sequel
I do like the soundtrack though, it works. New theme is fine.
edit: LOL holy shit that What Goes Up track goes full on James Newton Howard's SIGNS theme around 30 seconds in haha
MisterGrey3000
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When the humans capture the eyeball orb ship thing do we get to see what the orb's species looks like?
Like a hologram or something? Also do we get to see the other civilizations the bad aliens destroyed??
I'd be kind of down to see ID3 if there are cool alien designs.
Also, I know this is a pretty ridiculous franchise and I really shouldn't expect any better but the alien queen (a seemingly important figure who controls the ships and whatnot) fighting humans on the ground to chase a MacGuffin on foot seems particularly dumb. lol
Like does she have powers or weapons??
Like a hologram or something? Also do we get to see the other civilizations the bad aliens destroyed??
I'd be kind of down to see ID3 if there are cool alien designs.
Also, I know this is a pretty ridiculous franchise and I really shouldn't expect any better but the alien queen (a seemingly important figure who controls the ships and whatnot) fighting humans on the ground to chase a MacGuffin on foot seems particularly dumb. lol
Like does she have powers or weapons??
brandonh83
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It's ridiculous but in an awesome 90's last action setpiece sort of way, and when the alien queen falls the ball rolls out of her hand lol
Shouta
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No, the orb ship's species transitioned to a virtual existence a long time ago but were pretty much wiped out beside the lone orb that came to them. The other civilizations aren't shown but I'd assume they'll show up if the movie gets a sequel lol.
The queen herself was massive and her own shielding. She had her own large spacecraft as well and was only forced onto the ground after the baited her so while ridiculous, it's not too bad. She carried a giant blaster that could shoot down fighters in a shot lol.
brandonh83
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The queen was pretty awesome I must say. Very cool final boss.
NealMcCauley
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What did everyone think of Robert Loggia's cameo? I honestly didn't think it was him until the credits. He looked awful and it saddened me to see him like that. RIP.
brandonh83
Banned
Oh shit, he only recently died. At least he got to be in it.
Dash_Riprock
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I didn't even recognize him at first. Holy crap.
Saw it today. I know it's a summer blockbuster and it's supposed to be fun, but the tone was so light that it made the whole thing even more ridiculous. The first one had its comic relief moments, but it was still fairly dramatic. In this one, they're all in such good mood and having so much fun in this apocalyptic scenario. Both the comedic and dramatic moments fell flat.
First one was a crapy movie but a 10/10 blockbuster.
This one is a crappy movie and a crappy blockbuster.
5/10
First one was a crapy movie but a 10/10 blockbuster.
This one is a crappy movie and a crappy blockbuster.
5/10
Aggelos
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What does Robert Loggia say in his cameo?
Independence Day: Resurgence | Liam & Jeff Get Nostalgic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a14g5lz7c_M
Independence Day: Resurgence - Roland Emmerich Interview - blowing up business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bGgP1y-K94
Independence Day: Resurgence | Liam & Jeff Get Nostalgic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a14g5lz7c_M
Independence Day: Resurgence - Roland Emmerich Interview - blowing up business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bGgP1y-K94
NealMcCauley
Member
Nothing. I'd be surprised if he was capable of speaking. That's how bad he looked.
Edit: He might have been battling Alzheimers since 2010.
MisterGrey3000
Member
Ah okay, I should have figured considering that they've downloaded themselves into the technology.
It also makes sense that they'd save the other aliens for a sequel- considering that it's a good hook, and a nice way to transition the series into a space-opera type series with a recognizable brand after basically losing the distribution rights to Star Wars-, but I was hoping we'd dive into the mind of someone experiencing psychic flashbacks like the president.
Oh man, she sounds like something that would be a final boss in a video game.
That giant blaster seems like ludicrous fun. lol
My thoughts exactly as I was watching it.
Probably would've been a better game than movie.
Elitist1945
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Just saw it. Was kind of disappointing. Wasn't a whole lot of destruction, and there was just soooo much pointless 'character development'. The humor didn't work once on me, and I found myself bored a few times watching it.
A solid 6/10 movie. Its fun at times, and thats about all I can give it.
A solid 6/10 movie. Its fun at times, and thats about all I can give it.
lazybones18
Banned
As expected, movie was shit. I think I'll be the only person who laughed like hell when Vivica A Fox's character died
edit: I stand corrected ^^^^^^
edit: I stand corrected ^^^^^^
ATOMICJORGE
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Saw the movie with my mom so no I was not laughing when Vivica died (I was crying) hehe
mechashiva
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To me it represented one of the strengths of the movie. They did an amazing job moving this world 20 years forward. Trotting out war heroes is something we do and their age reminds you of their sacrifice. I really thought it was a good but sad move.
As far as the movie on a whole very average movie that had plenty of components to make it great. There really was some neat stuff here. Some others have mentioned the China elements and they were not subtle. Also the bit where they tag along with the big ship and see all the different cities was silly.
The boat outrunning the wave scene was terrible. Who are these scenes for?
Terrible backgrounds and cgi, avatar level dialogue, and bad character interactions really brought down a neat world.
Dash_Riprock
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Sphere said another queen would automatically recall it, so autopilot I guess.
There were some great ideas in this movie, to a greater extent that I thought going into it. The way technology would have advanced after the invasion; the notion of an extended ground war against surviving aliens; The Traveler, Jr. trying to intervene in another Harvester extinction event. Fantastic stuff.
The movie butchers those ideas to hell and back, but they are at least out there, which was nice.
The new cast is 100% duds. Meanwhile, all of the returning cast was great. Bill Pullman chews scenery like a motherfucker, even if he's given one hell of a watered down version of his ID4 speech. Judd Hirsch was given noting to do, but made it fun anyways. Goldblum was Goldblum, and the world is a better place for having more Goldblum in it.
And then there's Brent Spiner who out of fucking nowhere steals every scene he's in. He alone justifies the existence of this hulking wreak of wasted potential.
Because holy hell is this script bad. It went south in the first 30 seconds, when it felt the need to replay bits of the best part of ID4 (the Speech) as a reminder of the best part of ID4, because sequel. It's the kind of movie where characters introduce themselves to the audience by reading their bio.
"I was valedictorian at flight school, but I have an edgy side so I'm stuck here on the moon, just waiting to get back into the action. I seethe with a distinct lack of charisma."
"I know what you mean, Chris Hemsworth's brother. I'm your feeble sidekick who can't wait to step out from under your shadow and have some great moments of my own."
I'm paraphrasing, but only a little.
The script has no confidence in itself. We get that there's some beef between Not Will Smith and Not Chris Hemsworth, but it's okay that it's not spelled out. Then they describe it some detail. Then in extended detail. Then Not Chris Hemsworth watches it on video, just in case we didn't get it the first three times. We get it already! Stop wasting screen time! The movie does this like, twenty times.
The plot makes no sense at all, and it fails to walk the line between self aware schlock and compelling action. I was almost in awe at how perfunctory and tension free Hemsworth's introductory goof up/saving the day episode was.
Goddamn there was potential here. I'd actually like to see a sequel go the direction the shamelessly sequel-establishing ending pointed, but with a non-shit writer and director.
I had enough fun to give it a solid C, but that's averaging in some great material with some downright painful exposition and direction.
I liked how it knew what would happen, despite saying they never actually manged to kill a queen. I was like, um. How do you know that?
The movie butchers those ideas to hell and back, but they are at least out there, which was nice.
The new cast is 100% duds. Meanwhile, all of the returning cast was great. Bill Pullman chews scenery like a motherfucker, even if he's given one hell of a watered down version of his ID4 speech. Judd Hirsch was given noting to do, but made it fun anyways. Goldblum was Goldblum, and the world is a better place for having more Goldblum in it.
And then there's Brent Spiner who out of fucking nowhere steals every scene he's in. He alone justifies the existence of this hulking wreak of wasted potential.
Because holy hell is this script bad. It went south in the first 30 seconds, when it felt the need to replay bits of the best part of ID4 (the Speech) as a reminder of the best part of ID4, because sequel. It's the kind of movie where characters introduce themselves to the audience by reading their bio.
"I was valedictorian at flight school, but I have an edgy side so I'm stuck here on the moon, just waiting to get back into the action. I seethe with a distinct lack of charisma."
"I know what you mean, Chris Hemsworth's brother. I'm your feeble sidekick who can't wait to step out from under your shadow and have some great moments of my own."
I'm paraphrasing, but only a little.
The script has no confidence in itself. We get that there's some beef between Not Will Smith and Not Chris Hemsworth, but it's okay that it's not spelled out. Then they describe it some detail. Then in extended detail. Then Not Chris Hemsworth watches it on video, just in case we didn't get it the first three times. We get it already! Stop wasting screen time! The movie does this like, twenty times.
The plot makes no sense at all, and it fails to walk the line between self aware schlock and compelling action. I was almost in awe at how perfunctory and tension free Hemsworth's introductory goof up/saving the day episode was.
Goddamn there was potential here. I'd actually like to see a sequel go the direction the shamelessly sequel-establishing ending pointed, but with a non-shit writer and director.
I had enough fun to give it a solid C, but that's averaging in some great material with some downright painful exposition and direction.
I liked how it knew what would happen, despite saying they never actually manged to kill a queen. I was like, um. How do you know that?
Gentleman Jack
Member
So, uh, what happened to Saturn?
Movie was straight garbage. Someone at the studio decided that the lowest common denominator wasn't low enough and decided everything needed explanation in triplicate, and have 4 characters basically doing the same thing at any given time, and fill a bus full of orphans, schoolchildren, puppies, nuns, etc just to make sure there's a sense of 'oh no not the puppies!' more than once in the film.
God what a waste of time and money for everyone involved.
Movie was straight garbage. Someone at the studio decided that the lowest common denominator wasn't low enough and decided everything needed explanation in triplicate, and have 4 characters basically doing the same thing at any given time, and fill a bus full of orphans, schoolchildren, puppies, nuns, etc just to make sure there's a sense of 'oh no not the puppies!' more than once in the film.
God what a waste of time and money for everyone involved.
Megalosaro
Banned
Man. I don't like the first movie, but I thought the first 2/3rd of this movie were great.
Got some strong Macross vibes off this.
Got some strong Macross vibes off this.
Shouta
Member
They obtained the information from their data banks or something maybe? As I recall, Pullman made the suggestion that it would occur based off what happened in the first movie The first drill stopped after they took out that ship. The Traveler probably got the information from smaller ships they killed, I guess?
ATOMICJORGE
Member
I'm the only one that really liked to see a United Earth? that is one of the reasons of why I was expecting the sequel a lot and also the reason of why I was crying in a lot of scenes haha
Movie was very bad, and I really wanted to like it. I basically liked the concept, Chef Goldblum was perfect, and they occasionally did something self-aware and clever. But there's this strong patina of shit over the whole project. Really conspicuously bad CGI, no practical effects (or locations? even the scenes of people talking outside felt green-screened), some terribly awkward editing, mostly wooden characters.
Tone was just really bad. Dude watching his mom fall to her death into a crumbling building got no time to breathe, had no weight at all. Everything felt perfunctory, obligatory.
Damn shame. There was a glimmer in there, of what it should've been. Just didn't happen tho.
Tone was just really bad. Dude watching his mom fall to her death into a crumbling building got no time to breathe, had no weight at all. Everything felt perfunctory, obligatory.
Damn shame. There was a glimmer in there, of what it should've been. Just didn't happen tho.
The film seemed to have two ideas about what would happen when the queen was killed, but wasn't sure which to use. Pullman said the drill stopped when the queen was killed in '96. And when this one died, all the ships around it started crashing like they turned off, too.
But Traveler, Jr. said the ship would be recalled / fly home when the queen was killed, despite never successfully killing a queen. And then the ship flies home, instead of turning off like the one from '96 and the ships that flew around the queen. Maybe the other Harvester queens put it the big ship on auto pilot or something? But they couldn't do that to the older ship for reasons I didn't catch.
Worst effect: the bus windshield wipers swiping the queen's digital slime. It looked like a bad screen saver.
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