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Independence Day:Resurgence|SPOILER THREAD|Today we celebrate our idenpendendneys day
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Didn't stop Star Trek 2009.
markofhavoc
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It's a movie
But that boat was totally cool being right next to it, but all others got hid with monster sized waves, just a tiny thing that drove me crazy
The big ship was dumb. First it was creating its own gravity. But why did that catch out the tug: doesn't that thing fly by generating some "anti-gravity" field? Also, when it landed on earth; the gravity it has just... stopped? When Jeff said "what goes up must come down" all I could think was "why?".
Gentleman Jack
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Something that size could have just bumped into the earth and killed everything at once. The strange need to attach to it like a facehugger and then 'oops gg' when the queen died is typical Emmerich garbo plotting.
ATOMICJORGE
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Hopefully they will be able to get enough money for a sequel to end the trilogy
legacyzero
Banned
Ok, finally saw it today. I might come across as a bit bias because I'm such a die hard over the original- so here goes.
+People bitching about "too many cast member" are being hyperbolic. They weren't unecessary, but we just didn't get enough of the ones it introduced.
+The harvester size is just fine. The "It's too big!" complaint makes no sense. The movie does a decent enough job of communicating the scale.
+Special effects were fantastic (Although some of the ending shots looked like lazy green screen work after the Queen dies)
+Including Robert Loggia in the celebration was a nice touch.
+The "Fast approach" scene was pretty damn good.
+Sneaking around inside the Harvester was pretty awesome. I would have loved to seen a bit more of that, and less Okun Lazer junk.
+Even though I would have loved IDR to open the same way ID4 opened, it closed the same way, which I can be happy with.
Ok, to the areas of opportunity-
-There was a lack of meaningful exposition. It tries, but in seemingly such a rushed fashion.
-Why even bother having Jasmine come back for the sequel?
-President Whitmore could have died a little more ceremoniously.
-The current lady President sort of felt minimally impactful to the story after knowing that she was supposed to be abducted by the Queen. They even seemed to have filmed it (going by the trailers) but I guess they cut it? I can kinda see why, though. The aliens probably couldn't care less about having the President as hostage.
-I barely felt the movie communicate the true threat the invasion posed, even after continents were leveled. Just a sense of "oh darn..."
Otherwise, I had a blast. Bring on the third film!!!
It doesn't have it's own gravity. It was 'generating' It's own. Remember when it's first arriving to Earth and they see those green pads light up, and one of the people on the tug asked "What are those pads doing?" They were deliberately using those pads as a weapon to pull the soil up.
+People bitching about "too many cast member" are being hyperbolic. They weren't unecessary, but we just didn't get enough of the ones it introduced.
+The harvester size is just fine. The "It's too big!" complaint makes no sense. The movie does a decent enough job of communicating the scale.
+Special effects were fantastic (Although some of the ending shots looked like lazy green screen work after the Queen dies)
+Including Robert Loggia in the celebration was a nice touch.
+The "Fast approach" scene was pretty damn good.
+Sneaking around inside the Harvester was pretty awesome. I would have loved to seen a bit more of that, and less Okun Lazer junk.
+Even though I would have loved IDR to open the same way ID4 opened, it closed the same way, which I can be happy with.
Ok, to the areas of opportunity-
-There was a lack of meaningful exposition. It tries, but in seemingly such a rushed fashion.
-Why even bother having Jasmine come back for the sequel?
-President Whitmore could have died a little more ceremoniously.
-The current lady President sort of felt minimally impactful to the story after knowing that she was supposed to be abducted by the Queen. They even seemed to have filmed it (going by the trailers) but I guess they cut it? I can kinda see why, though. The aliens probably couldn't care less about having the President as hostage.
-I barely felt the movie communicate the true threat the invasion posed, even after continents were leveled. Just a sense of "oh darn..."
Otherwise, I had a blast. Bring on the third film!!!
It doesn't have it's own gravity. It was 'generating' It's own. Remember when it's first arriving to Earth and they see those green pads light up, and one of the people on the tug asked "What are those pads doing?" They were deliberately using those pads as a weapon to pull the soil up.
Not trying to defend the film at all.. since i loathed it more than any film I've ever seen. But just to answer a few questions.
1. Why Queen Leave ship? The Queen wants to absorb the information inside the Sphere to learn the location of the Alien refugee planet. She doesn't want to destroy the Sphere, she wants to read it.
2. Why Drill... drill? The purpose of the drill wasn't to destroy the Earth, it was to collect the energy of the Molten Core and deliver it back to their homeworld to use as a power source. Destroying the whole planet by crashing into it would have been counter productive to that goal.
3. Why a School Bus filled with Children? Because the writers fucking suck.
1. Why Queen Leave ship? The Queen wants to absorb the information inside the Sphere to learn the location of the Alien refugee planet. She doesn't want to destroy the Sphere, she wants to read it.
2. Why Drill... drill? The purpose of the drill wasn't to destroy the Earth, it was to collect the energy of the Molten Core and deliver it back to their homeworld to use as a power source. Destroying the whole planet by crashing into it would have been counter productive to that goal.
3. Why a School Bus filled with Children? Because the writers fucking suck.
Chiggs
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Well, the movie is flopping. Goodbye sequel.
http://deadline.com/2016/06/indepen...nes-neon-demon-weekend-box-office-1201778773/
http://deadline.com/2016/06/indepen...nes-neon-demon-weekend-box-office-1201778773/
Aggelos
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Independence Day: Resurgence | Roland Emmerich Plays Would You Rather
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o9UHWccpTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o9UHWccpTc
brandonh83
Banned
Liked it more the second time. Movie's a ton of fun.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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I mean the school bus of kids and the guys dad served no part in the plot, except maybe to let whats his face, Levinson, get away when it turns out the queen has her own shield.
Elitist1945
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Yup. I thought, at the very least, it'd have cool destruction scenes but nope. Not even that.
Slurpy2k20
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Sad to say, but it deserves to bomb, even though I really want a sequel, as the premise might actually be more interesting (ie. going to the alien homeworld).
Yep. My expectations were low. I just wanted a half-decent script, and sick destruction scenes. Literally every good scene was shown in the 3 min trailer.
Yep. Disappointing as fuck. Not even sure how half the shit in the movie was greenlit.
Just got back from it. It was....OK. The visual effects were amazing, but the sound effects (like the lasers and the aliens stomping around) were absolute crap. Sounded so cheap and lazy. Another thing: throughout, I kept thinking, "This is the Halo movie."
The Africa map....I mean "scene" reminded me of Vortex:
The Africa map....I mean "scene" reminded me of Vortex:
The white ball thing totally threw me off for the rest of the movie lol.
With aliens attacking there will obviously be other planets and things like that but, something about knowing there is an intergalatic war or whatever just kinda killed the excitement for some reason.
Also if they were drilling a hole in the middle of the ocean and were basically a minute from cracking the core shouldn't the Earth be fucked?
With aliens attacking there will obviously be other planets and things like that but, something about knowing there is an intergalatic war or whatever just kinda killed the excitement for some reason.
Also if they were drilling a hole in the middle of the ocean and were basically a minute from cracking the core shouldn't the Earth be fucked?
I'm so mad they dropped the ball with Jeff Goldbloom on this. His Dad comes out of nowhere with a school bus filled with children as their killing an Alien Queen and he doesn't even comment on it?
I was expecting a "We're in the middle of a Galactic War and you bring a school bus filled with Children!?"
I really enjoyed the movie. I mean it's peak Emmerich. Probably my second favorite movie of his.
I hope it gets the finale for the trilogy but I'm not holding my breath on that.
Really would have loved to see Will Smith in it, but since they killed off almost everyone from the first then there's no real point to having him come back. Except you could have done the cheesy father/son flight alongside the father/daughter one already there.
I hope it gets the finale for the trilogy but I'm not holding my breath on that.
Really would have loved to see Will Smith in it, but since they killed off almost everyone from the first then there's no real point to having him come back. Except you could have done the cheesy father/son flight alongside the father/daughter one already there.
enjoyed it, more fascinated by the lore though.
Would love a tvshow/movie/book to be based on the africa conflict.
Anyone else notice how while the military industry got insane benefits with the alien tech, 'middle america' still driving busted ass CO2 gas guzzlers?
Goldblum must have signed a contract that requires him to be in every scene lol. he's on the moon, at the white house, in africa, in nevada. everywhere!
Would love a tvshow/movie/book to be based on the africa conflict.
Anyone else notice how while the military industry got insane benefits with the alien tech, 'middle america' still driving busted ass CO2 gas guzzlers?
Goldblum must have signed a contract that requires him to be in every scene lol. he's on the moon, at the white house, in africa, in nevada. everywhere!
Yep. Also, the President is all psyched about how humanity has been united in peace for twenty years but then everyone's nervous about / afraid of this African warlord dude who's clearly not been participating in the international Space Defence effort. Plus that whole Legacy force is just a Big Ole Nepotism Party. In another world, this movie is a Starship Troopers-caliber examination of manipulative propaganda.
Aggelos
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Independence Day: Resurgence | On-set with Vivica A. Fox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXdNcykndEk
Independence Day: Resurgence | On-set with William Fichtner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpk1pfbZfn4
Independence Day: Resurgence | On-set with Sela Ward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5I-FSvSH-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXdNcykndEk
Independence Day: Resurgence | On-set with William Fichtner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpk1pfbZfn4
Independence Day: Resurgence | On-set with Sela Ward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5I-FSvSH-g
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Why bother with our molten core if they needed a source of energy? What about all the gadrillion stars along the way? Why did they need to land to start drilling? Why not orbital bombardment? Where were the human capital ships? How come Cheyenne mountain and other key areas like like the moon base didn't have shields? Why were people evacuating in vehicles with conventional combustion engines? Why are they all still dependent on a vulnerable satellite system? Why the they take so long to fire anything? Why do they insist committing all their forces on one do or die assault? If the shields of the mothership were down, why not launch wave after wave of long range ordinance to soften the approach of your strike force? Why was the defence of Area 51 consisted of one heavy cannon and the rest were small arms. Why does Roland and Devlin hate hiring decent writers?Etc. Etc. Whhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
Starts and stops right here.
Lol
Yeah
He made some comment about whose this blind idiot but it definitely could have been better
I felt like they made up for it with goldbloom driving the bus through the warzone himself though
Priceless
Elitist1945
Member
Stay behind the yellow line!
brandonh83
Banned
My dad says it was a conspiracy and your son never went to space
Your dad's a putz
Your dad's a putz
brandonh83
Banned
I just saw The Shallows right after Independence Day 2, it has a much higher RT but wasn't anywhere near as enjoyable for me. Is it a better movie? Technically, if you want to get down to what has better filmmaking/performances, but for me that doesn't always cover all the bases. Let's just say I doubt I'd rewatch The Shallows anytime soon. I just simply don't think "oh well that had a good script and performances, great movie!" It also has to resonate on some levels, and "bad" movies can sometimes resonate more than technically better ones.
And honestly while Independence Day is very silly, the climax of The Shallows is silly but it's worse because the entire movie strives for gritty realism until the very end, but Independence Day never pretends to be anything that it is. Not that these two movies are really comparable, but they're two movies playing this weekend with really good and bad reviews.
GruntOfAction
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Donno if it was our movie theater but the audio was really fucked up. All of the sound effects were overlaying the speech and we could barely understand anyone during scenes with music/effects.
Also when the first sphere ship appeared on the moon I thought of Destiny. Then later on when it started speaking and floating I was like "Yeah this is Destiny"
Also when the first sphere ship appeared on the moon I thought of Destiny. Then later on when it started speaking and floating I was like "Yeah this is Destiny"
brandonh83
Banned
We don't know the extent of the destruction there, could have been cleared out and redone in the last 20 years. Not really enough movie context to call that one out IMO.
I was thinking that as well. It's a hole a mile wide, that got very close to core of the planet. Shouldn't that be an instant, if not eventual, giant volcano?
Also, how did that pirate boat have sensors that could scan all the way down to the core of the planet?
I read this with Mike from RLM's voice going along with the music they used in the Prometheus video. It worked really well.
Lots of stuff like that. I mean, why did the alien queen bait us into flying into the ship to blow up big bombs, when they had shields our most powerful weapons (such as the new giant cannon on the moon) could not dent? If the things that put shields around the bombs were attached to the bombs themselves, wouldn't they be destroyed when the bomb blew up, since the shields that formed around them were pretty large? They were inside the blast, so how did they still generate shields outside of it? From a story standpoint, what did having humans fall to the ground inside the capital ship accomplish? They swapped into different ships and used them at the end, the same as if they had kept their regular ships. A lot of time was spent on that subplot that did not advance the story one iota. Why could the alien queen shoot fighter jets out of the sky with her gun with pinpoint accuracy, but she missed a dozen times when shooting at a school bus directly under her feet?
Movie was super dumb, but I had fun with it. Some cringeworthy dialogue and jokes that didn't land, and the cast of young pilots is awful and I hope they all die within the first 10 minutes of the sequel, but it delivered on the blowing-up-aliens stuff.
The ending left me pretty pumped for the sequel. Humans leading an intergalactic force to take the war to the alien invaders homeworld? Yes please.
The ending left me pretty pumped for the sequel. Humans leading an intergalactic force to take the war to the alien invaders homeworld? Yes please.
for a series about using brains to beat the aliens, kinda disappointed that taking out the shields of the alien was just with enough dps.
expected some goldblum improv.
Oh yeah, anyone else thought he was going to do anything when he started heading towards the base in the schoolbus?
expected some goldblum improv.
Oh yeah, anyone else thought he was going to do anything when he started heading towards the base in the schoolbus?
The Elite
BOSS
I didn't mind it at all. It was a lot of fun but it definitely had some glaring problems.
My one big gripe with the film is that everything is condensed into an incredibly short period of time. The narrative, as flimsy as it is, never has time breath with character moments that would actually allow us to give a damn about what is happening in the last act. Besides the legacy characters, I really didn't care about the new class at all.
The film feels like it's on fast forward the entire time. It's almost like it was on 1.5 speed or something in order to fit it into a two hour running time. Everything is so rushed. I think this movie would have felt a lot better with the pacing of the original. A three act structure built around three days worked well. Resurgence takes place over what seems like a 12 to 20 our period.
For all the complains, I really didn't mind Liam Hemsworth. I thought he was good. A lot better than Usher.
My one big gripe with the film is that everything is condensed into an incredibly short period of time. The narrative, as flimsy as it is, never has time breath with character moments that would actually allow us to give a damn about what is happening in the last act. Besides the legacy characters, I really didn't care about the new class at all.
The film feels like it's on fast forward the entire time. It's almost like it was on 1.5 speed or something in order to fit it into a two hour running time. Everything is so rushed. I think this movie would have felt a lot better with the pacing of the original. A three act structure built around three days worked well. Resurgence takes place over what seems like a 12 to 20 our period.
For all the complains, I really didn't mind Liam Hemsworth. I thought he was good. A lot better than Usher.
I watched it in China last night?
I have some questions, was this co-financed b a Chinese production company.
I know iron man 3 added extra scenes
Also did you get weird bit where they order milk in Chinese, and the whole guy trying to chat up angelababy's pilot and practising mandarin?
I have some questions, was this co-financed b a Chinese production company.
I know iron man 3 added extra scenes
Also did you get weird bit where they order milk in Chinese, and the whole guy trying to chat up angelababy's pilot and practising mandarin?
Yup. It's all there.
Not confirmed. But Roland is already making plans.
http://movieweb.com/independence-day-3-intergalactic-journey/
Whole lotta booing in my theater at the end. Couldn't say I blame them. They had me in the first 15 minutes but the complete lack of characterization killed my liking. I felt no weight of the events taking place. The serious tone with some humor of the first one is lost. The first one showed multiple cities and nukes being tested on the ships. This one was so little destruction on top of just watching our new stars somehow go so far into the depths of alien territory unscathed. Then having us watch goldblum stand around. Oh and a schoolbus with clapping kids! But oh boy can soldiers not shoot their guns but a scientist in a coma for 20 years can kill 3 aliens in quick succesion.
Ugh I'm salty.
Ugh I'm salty.
m_shortpants
Member
Movie was bad.
I was disappointed.
I was disappointed.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
This movie was REALLY REALLY BAD....
Did I emphasis Really enough?
Where to begin? I don't feel like typing alot because this movie literally does not deserve the effort or energy.
-It felt like a movie from the past but with today's technology/effects/green screen.
Primarily the script. It's as if it's a movie that ignored the evolution of what movies have become today and instead....decided to be a real BY THE NUMBERS with every hollywood trope you can think of.
-Literally 90% of the jokes fall flat because they are predictable, corny, bad timing, or just plain stupid.
-The acting was ATROCIOUS except for Jeff Goldbloom. He is literally the only actor in this movie worth a damn. Everyone else is either bad, or laughably bad.
-geezus the dialogue in this script.......it's literally the worst thing ever.
-a shit ton of plot holes but you know, I'm willing to give plot holes a pass with anything futuristic/sci-fi/aliens/summer blockbuster.....but....They couldn't get anything else right so this doesn't get a pass.
I'd say the Only positives of this movie is the "spectacle" of some of the action and destruction, and Jeff Goldbloom, and the fact there are 3 acts. I mean, with how bad the movie is, the fact that it actually has a start a middle and an end is an achievement.
This movie literally makes Batman vs Superman seem like a masterpeice.
Do not waste your time or money on this turd. if you haven't seen it and are lurking in this thread.
I hope this movie dies a fast but horrible death at the box offices so that Hollywood knows that we won't accept shit shows like this.
Did I emphasis Really enough?
Where to begin? I don't feel like typing alot because this movie literally does not deserve the effort or energy.
-It felt like a movie from the past but with today's technology/effects/green screen.
Primarily the script. It's as if it's a movie that ignored the evolution of what movies have become today and instead....decided to be a real BY THE NUMBERS with every hollywood trope you can think of.
-Literally 90% of the jokes fall flat because they are predictable, corny, bad timing, or just plain stupid.
-The acting was ATROCIOUS except for Jeff Goldbloom. He is literally the only actor in this movie worth a damn. Everyone else is either bad, or laughably bad.
-geezus the dialogue in this script.......it's literally the worst thing ever.
-a shit ton of plot holes but you know, I'm willing to give plot holes a pass with anything futuristic/sci-fi/aliens/summer blockbuster.....but....They couldn't get anything else right so this doesn't get a pass.
I'd say the Only positives of this movie is the "spectacle" of some of the action and destruction, and Jeff Goldbloom, and the fact there are 3 acts. I mean, with how bad the movie is, the fact that it actually has a start a middle and an end is an achievement.
This movie literally makes Batman vs Superman seem like a masterpeice.
Do not waste your time or money on this turd. if you haven't seen it and are lurking in this thread.
I hope this movie dies a fast but horrible death at the box offices so that Hollywood knows that we won't accept shit shows like this.
Come on, came in with a huge ass mothership with shields that can withstand nukes, and command a huge fleet of alien fighters, and with less than 10 minutes to Earth's destruction...
No matter how scientifically advanced and battle-hardened your race is, it seems that none of that advanced knowledge is imbued into the single most important alien, who decided to leave her mothership, and her shield malfunctions in her most critical moment. (A nuke couldn't take out that shield yet a couple of alien spaceship bullets could, okay...)
All for a ball which contributed NOTHING to the film, not the advanced alien tech.
The humans didn't beat the aliens, the aliens killed themselves over a ball.
And the Chinese girl didn't even do anything!
No matter how scientifically advanced and battle-hardened your race is, it seems that none of that advanced knowledge is imbued into the single most important alien, who decided to leave her mothership, and her shield malfunctions in her most critical moment. (A nuke couldn't take out that shield yet a couple of alien spaceship bullets could, okay...)
All for a ball which contributed NOTHING to the film, not the advanced alien tech.
The humans didn't beat the aliens, the aliens killed themselves over a ball.
And the Chinese girl didn't even do anything!
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
oh the chinese girl did do something. she was the sexualized asian character for the dorky white guy. she literally was a prop for the dorky white side character. That was the reason for her sole existence.
Rhomega Beta
Member
Which is a shame, because...actually she doesn't do much in Cruicible except study hard and be a great pilot. Speaking of which, here's my write-up of that.
She was there along with the accountant from Batman to pander to the Chinese market, along with the few Chinese spoken lines.
Also, what the fuck was Charlotte Gainsbourg doing in this?
brandonh83
Banned
I was going "alright, fair enough" through your post until this
The movie has problems yeah but I was at least entertained, which is something BVS failed to do in every which way.
legacyzero
Banned
Jesus Christ, the hyperbole in this thread.
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