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Every time I think I've read the weirdest takes, GAF always 1ups.

In temple of doom Indians die, but I don't know if a western dev would allow people to kill Indians with a white guy in their game so it severely limits what stories they could tell.

Eventually it can't be Nazi's because there are only so many years they were around.

 

[Ironbunny]

In temple of doom Indians die, but I don't know if a western dev would allow people to kill Indians with a white guy in their game so it severely limits what stories they could tell.

Eventually it can't be Nazi's because their are only so many years they were around.

Indy seems to always stay the same age so nazis can always be the enemy. Plus they _are_ the best enemy.

 

[Three]

This post?

I mean, that's my personal tastes, where am I saying that CCU matters. I'm stating the obvious, what do PC gamers want. For sure a Bloodborne would be atomic bomb levels compared to Horizon, the fanbase of Souls on PC has accumulated to ridiculous levels and the blue balling of the rumours of Bloodborne is just edging a whole community. There's no edging for Horizon.

You were using CCU and your opinion to form a general PC trend of lack of interest in those games and fighting to not prevent further PC releases due to poor sales, particularly in 2023. You used CCU as an indication of PC reception to those games. The CCU was good though and so were sales. Much better than Indy today.

 

[adamsapple]

In temple of doom Indians die, but I don't know if a western dev would allow people to kill Indians with a white guy in their game so it severely limits what stories they could tell.

Eventually it can't be Nazi's because there are only so many years they were around.

The entire first act of the game is Indy fighting Fascists, not Nazi's.

Also, in Temple of Doom, those Indians are actively trying to hunt and kill Indy. There's no scenario in the game where any of the locals, other than the fascists in Vatican, are fighting against Indy, so there's no reason for him to kill them.

 

[Buggy Loop]

You were using CCU and your opinion to form a general PC trend of lack of interest in those games

I didn't use CCU in Horizon forbidden west. You can't force something that doesn't exist even if you want to will it into existence.

I was in a discussion on why Forbidden west is performing lower than Zero Dawn. My personal opinion on it, why I haven't bought Forbidden west while I own Zero Dawn. Am I the fucking representation of STEAM with my opinions? Am I the first one to mention how Soul community wants Demon soul / Bloodborne? Surely not as EVERY fucking Sony PC announcements or just any video conferences by now, has the port begging in them.

Not once in my post I mention CCU.

and fighting to not prevent further PC releases due to poor sales, particularly in 2023. You used CCU as an indication of PC reception to those games. The CCU was good though and so were sales. Much better than Indy today.

"fighting to not prevent further PC releases due to poor sales. You used CCU as an indication of PC reception to those games"

I used CCU of 6,691 Returnal, & 8,757 Ratchet as a good indication of PC reception of those games? "The CCU was good though"? WTF I used CCU as an indicator that it doesn't matter. Oh, just like Indiana Jones.

You think you've got a gotcha but it's so fucking pathetic. I am saying how those numbers mean jack shit. Oh look! Seems I was right. Sony went from $35M → $80M → $250M → $450M, with those CCUs.

All those CCU doomers of Sony ports all those years are now facing Sony making $700M yearly on PC.

 

[Dick Jones]

I'd trust anon source before Jizz Condom. Linking that useless gimp to the quote weakens the overall story.

 

[Nydius]

Played it on gamepass
Stealth..

Uninstalled

That's your prerogative but... really? The stealth implementation in the game is pretty mediocre and certainly isn't on par with something like Dishonored. Most of the enemies are pretty braindead and once you unlock the enemy faction costumes stealth ceases to matter at all. It certainly wasn't as frustrating as launch Star Wars Outlaws with its insta-fail states.

And really, is there anything more satisfying than sneaking up on a fascist and shoving a shovel up his nuts then smacking his face while he's writhing in pain? I think not!

 

[Spukc]

That's your prerogative but... really? The stealth implementation in the game is pretty mediocre and certainly isn't on par with something like Dishonored. Most of the enemies are pretty braindead and once you unlock the enemy faction costumes stealth ceases to matter at all. It certainly wasn't as frustrating as launch Star Wars Outlaws with its insta-fail states.

And really, is there anything more satisfying than sneaking up on a fascist and shoving a shovel up his nuts then smacking his face while he's writhing in pain? I think not!

it's not gameplay it's fucking filler. I do not want to waste my time on filler shit gameplay same reason star wars is crap

 

[eerik9000]

"Lucasfilm Games"

I still hate this.
Fuck you, Disney.

Everybody knows video games are not art and never will be. They are just digital toys for wasting time.

 

[jm89]

That comes courtesy of Windows Central journalist and leaker Jez Corden

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

GAF >Internet >GAF

 

[adamsapple]

it's not gameplay it's fucking filler. I do not want to waste my time on filler shit gameplay same reason star wars is crap

Damn, sad to hear you didn't like the earlier MGS or Splinter Cell games either.

 

[Spukc]

Damn, sad to hear you didn't like the earlier MGS or Splinter Cell games either.

You have no idea how deep that shit was kid

 

[adamsapple]

You have no idea how deep that shit was kid

A nearly 10 min compilation of filler.

Ah well, at least there's plenty of shoot-shoot-bang-bang games for players like yourself in the market.

 

[SHA]

So it's not just another id tech game from machine games.

 

[Spukc]

A nearly 10 min compilation of filler.

Ah well, at least there's plenty of shoot-shoot-bang-bang games for players like yourself in the market.

Hey it was a lazy google look up some champs the stealth in this game is hilarious

 

[Gordon Fearman]

Am I the fucking representation of STEAM with my opinions?

Yes. You are Steam now. Use your power wisely.

 

[Raven117]

The game is great. So, yeah.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Now... I want to buy a series x.

But its a shame what become Xbox.

 

[Zacfoldor]

I’m sure the game is great, but also it wouldn’t take much I’m guessing. Disney needs to rehab IP badly.

 

[RoboFu]

Beyond you guys fanboy circus It's really a great game.

 

[SneakersSO]

I’m sure the game is great, but also it wouldn’t take much I’m guessing. Disney needs to rehab IP badly.

At the absolute very least, Indiana Jones is going to get a modern reboot, potentially even with some tie-in spin-off for Disney+ that builds out the world/cast. Only way to grow the base for the IP at this point.

 

[March Climber]

So again, CCUs for single player games, worth fuck all.

I've tried saying things similar to 'Only one set of data used to define a point of success for a multiplatform title is meaningless' in a multitude of ways on this forum months ago, but I think ultimately this community doesn't care. The Steam CCUs will continue to be used to bolster an argument against any game, regardless of how little sense it makes.

 

[Dazraell]

I mean, even without taking insiders word into consideration, it looks like Disney is interested in licencing other Lucasfilm IP's beyond Star Wars as showed with the Great Circle and Return to Monkey Island, so I feel it's probably only a matter of time when we will see more game projects with Indy

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah no, i want wolfenstein 3 next, after that they can do the fuck they want.

 

[Starbuck2907]

Phil doesn’t seem interested in licensing IPs like this. He said it doesn’t make sense for them because of gamepass. I doubt we get more.

When it makes money, it suddenly starts making a lot of sense.

 

[Starbuck2907]

Anyone can make an Indy game. Disney aren’t doing exclusive franchise contracts anymore, that’s why EA and Ubisoft can both release Star Wars games. No more exclusive license deals, apparently.

 

[RespawnX]

Isn't the game rather an example of poor sales despite very good reviews and player ratings?

Sounds like made-up news. An example of how badly sales can go when two umbrella brands have fucked up (Indy & Xbox).

 

[Punished Miku]

Anyone can make an Indy game. Disney aren’t doing exclusive franchise contracts anymore, that’s why EA and Ubisoft can both release Star Wars games. No more exclusive license deals, apparently.

Well they definitely did one with Sony for the X-Men until 2030-something.

 

[jm89]

It's a rumor now?

 

[Astray]

It's a rumor now?

I swear to God he might be the most retarded gaming journalist blogger out there.

 

[Fbh]

Disney is probably in awe that someone managed to bring back one of their older franchises in a way that was well received by critics and fans.

They now have rooms filled with their top minds analyzing the game and trying to comprehend what made this different, while being absolutely baffled by it.
Just picture it:

"B...but they didn't even make it lame and gay"
"Why would people want to see a version of a beloved character that isn't old, depressed and miserable?"

 

[adamsapple]

It's a rumor now?

Jizz wasn't even the first source of this, DanielRPK was. Not sure why everyone keeps referencing this guy.

 

[Mr Moose]

It's a rumor now?

He's so full of shit. It isn't if there will be more Indiana Jones games, it's the bullshit he made up "successful enough that Disney picked up the phone for more".

 

[jason10mm]

YES! More Indiana! More!

I loved the little note you can find in the Marshall College classroom, from this girl perhaps?

Rascally Indy is best Indy

 

[jason10mm]

At the absolute very least, Indiana Jones is going to get a modern reboot, potentially even with some tie-in spin-off for Disney+ that builds out the world/cast. Only way to grow the base for the IP at this point.

I just don't think the Indiana Jones format works well outside of the 20's-30's. You NEED that 'cultural exoticism' vibe that the stuff like Tomb Raider and Uncharted don't really have. And obviously if you just put modern sassy women into a 30's world and then try to keep all the chauvinistic men around as well it fails even harder.

Stick to the formula, respect the sources, make the $$$. It's so easy if you uncomplicate it.

 

[geary]

I've tried saying things similar to 'Only one set of data used to define a point of success for a multiplatform title is meaningless' in a multitude of ways on this forum months ago, but I think ultimately this community doesn't care. The Steam CCUs will continue to be used to bolster an argument against any game, regardless of how little sense it makes.

And dont forget UK boxed sales.

 

[mayham2199]

When it makes money, it suddenly starts making a lot of sense.

Are we under the impression that Indian Jones did gang busters or something? Nothing I've seen has shown me that and S SneakersSO has heard it's not doing well. Even if it did sell really well they still have to pay Disney which eats into their profits. Unfortunately going to Disney and talking about engagement on gamepass isn't going to get the job done. I think Phils right.

Why waste a talented studio like machine games trying to revive a dead IP like Indiana Jones for another company when MS has spent the last like 7 years buying up tons of IP that is just sitting there waiting for someone to use it?

 

[SneakersSO]

Are we under the impression that Indian Jones did gang busters or something? Nothing I've seen has shown me that and S SneakersSO has heard it's not doing well. Even if it did sell really well they still have to pay Disney which eats into their profits. Unfortunately going to Disney and talking about engagement on gamepass isn't going to get the job done. I think Phils right.

Why waste a talented studio like machine games trying to revive a dead IP like Indiana Jones for another company when MS has spent the last like 7 years buying up tons of IP that is just sitting there waiting for someone to use it?

I'd like to speak a little more on what the original poster was getting at regarding licensed property. I think we need to divorce the conversation of Indiana Jones and its reception from the typical 'console wars' framing that a game in its situation would often receive. Indiana Jones' difficulty with its legacy audience is one thats been increasingly noted with its box office returns, but with 'The Dial of Destiny' being Disney's biggest box office bomb since 'John Carter', its not difficult to think this struggle wouldn't also carry over to gaming.

I don't think any of the issues The Great Circle is having has anything to do with how it was released, and more just to do with the relevancy of the IP in general. Lets look at another upcoming example, Blade. With that being another Disney-owned IP, the licensing fees are going to be quite high, but its release strategy is going to be wider from the get-go, and I don't think it'll be the PS5 version existing that will ensure its better received than The Great Circle is. Marvel comics is far bigger than Indiana Jones is, and Blade is a pretty well-liked character whose audience has been looking for a new experience but hasn't been able to net one due to production issues on the film.

The larger thing to keep in mind is that both Blade and The Great Circle were green-lit at very different times within the industry, and the publishing outfits who did green light them (MS for Blade, Zenimax for The Great Circle), were facing different corporate realities to where the wider industry and market finds itself today. Heck, GamePass and their objectives are in a much, much different place now than they were a year ago even. Games take much longer to produce, which makes the risk associated with these investments that much larger since so much winds up riding on it. Indiana Jones being received well critically is a boon for Booty and his leadership of the first-party portfolio, despite him not really having much to do with it, so thats why you're seeing such a concerted marketing push to get behind this game through a ton of their 2nd-party marketers like Jez and other NA media groups.

 

[Starbuck2907]

Well they definitely did one with Sony for the X-Men until 2030-something.

They had to give up something to use Spidermsn in Marvel movies. This is one of the things they allowed.

 

[AJUMP23]

The story is better than the last 2 movies.