corgiix3
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The thing your missing tho is that immersive sims are literally the best kind of games.. An immersive sim spiderman game? sign me the fuck up lmao wtf???
Questioning the legitimacy of online chatter that Indiana Jones and the Great Circle is a GOTY game
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DeepEnigma
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Well yeah, it's a video game.
The entire Indiana Jones series is based off of action & adventure with massive set pieces. I.e. Uncharted.
MiguelItUp
Member
Much like everything, it's subjective.
Some people likely have a larger connection to the Indiana Jones IP than others, such a thing would probably make those people enjoy it more than others because of that alone. Personally, I haven't even put much of a dent into it yet, and I can see why people would love it so much.
It sucks the films took such a dive, but it's really cool to see the IP exist in the form of a video game and be solid. I'd love to see that happen more and more with awesome and neglected properties.
Some people likely have a larger connection to the Indiana Jones IP than others, such a thing would probably make those people enjoy it more than others because of that alone. Personally, I haven't even put much of a dent into it yet, and I can see why people would love it so much.
It sucks the films took such a dive, but it's really cool to see the IP exist in the form of a video game and be solid. I'd love to see that happen more and more with awesome and neglected properties.
DenchDeckard
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Once I'm home and if i can be assed i will 100% dig out some classic Sony fans comments about masterpieces. Basically what you are explaining is exactly what is happening in this thread about indy.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Ah… the classic "I don't like something as much as you so you must be wrong. Justify yourself!" Why must be we keep repeating that old, tired game?
You thought it was ok but it wasn't GOTY-contender for you. Good for you. Not everyone needs to agree on everything they like or the degree to which they liked something, in some odd quest for self-validation that doesn't need to happen.
For heaven's sake, just move on with your day and don't worry about what others like or don't like that you may or may not fully agree with. Why isn't it enough that most can agree it was a high quality, well-made game?
You thought it was ok but it wasn't GOTY-contender for you. Good for you. Not everyone needs to agree on everything they like or the degree to which they liked something, in some odd quest for self-validation that doesn't need to happen.
For heaven's sake, just move on with your day and don't worry about what others like or don't like that you may or may not fully agree with. Why isn't it enough that most can agree it was a high quality, well-made game?
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
I liked the game as it delivered best Indy story since the Last Crusade, but it wasn't on the cards for me as GOTY material for much of the same reasons you listed.
I didn't mind combat as much, after all that reflected actual Indy movies
, but it would have tremendously benefited from a 3rd person option.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yep. They are so best that every single immersive sim game from Prey to Dishonored, Deathloop, and now Indiana Jones has flopped. The studios either shutdown or will be shutdown after one bomb. Not to mention the fact that they dont ever win GOTYs. Bioshock 1 was literally the only GOTY contender immersive sim and it came out nearly 20 years ago.
They are as niche as they come. They have a dedicated fanbase who clearly enjoy these games but these games barely even sell a million copies nowadays. Something like Indy should be an action adventure game with some immersive sim elements, not the other way around.
GymWolf
Member
Disagree about the setpieces.
What setpieces do you have in temple of doom? A normal firefight that last 5 min in the first scene and a small car chase, getting out of the plane before it crash (another 3 min scene), then walking and talking until the room trap that is barely a setpiece and more in line with what you actually find in the game and the final 20 min?
The movies are not indy constantly fighting and killing people and climbing, they are not like the uncharted games, the biggest setpiece in indiana jones is the smallest setpiece in uncharted.
And the game has setpieces, i saw a lot of absurd stuff like indy jumping from a plane to another during war or some shit...
I think the example of blade made by arkane is more of a wrong fitting than indy being a first person action adventure, blade is way more actiony and violent than indiana.
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Little Chicken
Banned
France has always had a complimentary exchange of ideas with Japan when it comes to things like film, anime and manga, it's nice to see it finally play out in the gaming space.
T4keD0wN
Member
Ok, fair take too if thats what youd like. But thatd just be yet another Uncharted/Tomb Raider, both of which i personally love, but there are already plenty of great games that already deliver exactly those experiences and id rather have something novel and that wasnt done before.
Plus its not like previous IJ games were action adventures from what ive seen anyway (i didnt play them) sounds more like you dont like that this isnt Tomb Raider 15 or whatever.
No wonder studios dont take risks, if this were to be a popular opinion, id rather enjoy games for what they are and not for what they couldve been and arent.
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Topher
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Yeah, it is, especially for the VGA. I don't think it would have beaten Astro Bot though.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Great story, excellent audio visual presentation, great voice work and a generally very good presentation. This isn't the kind of game where you want to be engaging in a lot of open combat, but when you do, you can use parrying, whip pulling etc to isolate enemies and take them out.
It's ok if you didn't like it, that's what an opinion is, but it's a bit weird to criticize combat so much for a game where it isn't the primary thing. No one criticizes the recent Hitman World of Assassination games because you can't shoot your way out of all encounters like a third person shooter.
meh.
Before The Great Circle, the only other Indy game most people would talk about in a reverent way was Fate of Atlantis, which is a point and click game.
No one ties Indiana Jones as a gaming franchise to 'action adventure' only.
GnomeChimpsky
Member
I'd like to see that post lmao
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Bro, what?
- The action escape for the jewel with all the moving parts in the scene.
- The diving into the car with Short Round driving chase and race to the airport.
- The airplane with no pilots or parachutes heading towards a mountain and having to dive out in an inflatable raft.
- The escape in the mining carts bouncing around the tracks.
- The bridge scene where it was cut.
Etc.
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Cakeboxer
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Probably not, but with an earlier (and day one PS) release i think it would have been a solid second place.
Mr Moose
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Topher
Identifies as young
Let the cherry picking commence
Bumblebeetuna
Member
I mean… I thought the same thing about Astrobot. Pretty standard platformer with no difficulty and over reliance on member berries, but I don't make a thread about it because at the end of the day who cares. It's all opinions and click generating.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Bro's been AWOL since the slampigbassador program ended.
(Image stolen from another thread, I don't have Riky on ignore)
FrankWza
Member
I saw a good 25 comments saying congrats to Sony fans finally being able to play their personal goty. Phil is a fine writer sometimes
(Image stolen from another thread, I don't have Riky on ignore)
Mibu no ookami
Banned
Let's be frank... People want it to be a GOTY candidate solely to counterbalance narratives.
Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei are probably going to be candidates. That's 2 out of 6 games... Throw in E33, Blue Prince, Split Fiction, and GTA6...
That's 6 right there...
That's assuming no other games come up for consideration like Mario Kart World. That's not great for Microsoft and once again means that to play all GOTY candidates, you would need a PS5... two years in a row. Let's say Blue Prince doesn't get the nod and KCD2 does... or Monster Hunter Wilds... like there are just way too many games that will get it before Indiana Jones.
That's why people want Indiana Jones nominated and it is the only reason.
Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei are probably going to be candidates. That's 2 out of 6 games... Throw in E33, Blue Prince, Split Fiction, and GTA6...
That's 6 right there...
That's assuming no other games come up for consideration like Mario Kart World. That's not great for Microsoft and once again means that to play all GOTY candidates, you would need a PS5... two years in a row. Let's say Blue Prince doesn't get the nod and KCD2 does... or Monster Hunter Wilds... like there are just way too many games that will get it before Indiana Jones.
That's why people want Indiana Jones nominated and it is the only reason.
sainraja
Member
PS fan</boys> seem to complain about their games that are received well, making one crazy for thinking the game isn't that bad.
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GymWolf
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All scenes that i listed and are mostly super short, most of the movie is indy and company moving through locations, the game has setpieces aswell, so i have no idea why you people talk like the game is a stroll in the park woth nothing exciting...
This section is way more crazy than anything in the movies, included the tank scene or the airplane scene in crusade and i'm sure you have other scenes like this
Mr Moose
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Riky, Mage and CatBro's been AWOL since the slampigbassador program ended.
(Mage is still here in spirit though, ghosting us with likes.)
It's only a decent chunk of the game if that's how you choose to engage with it. The way I played it, i tried to avoid combat as much as possible and only resorted to it when i had no choice. Exploration and stealth were my main ways getting through the game and i had a great time with it. I'm playing it again on PS5.
Steve Holt
Member
Fully agree OP. Will quote my post of my experiences so far, I feel because this was a timed console exclusive was a bit overrated by some on this forum.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Why are you lumping me with everyone else?
All I said was that he isn't lying that everyone would have made fun of Insomniac and dogged the shit out of Spider-Man if it were revealed as First Person.
Then you come at me about some video game and set piece shit that I was not even a part of.
I answered in context to your ToD questions. That's it.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Some of the comments here make the game sound like Thief with all that talk about imsim and stealth, and that makes me wonder if I might be missing out.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Like i said in my other post, you could take some immersive sim elements and insert it into an Indy action adventure game. im all for innovative and unique games, but you still have to be true to the source material. Making an indy game first person is simply wrong.
You dont want the studio to mold the game around the studio's ethos, it should be the other way around.
Steve Holt
Member
Judging my that comment they are probably paying him to STFU. Probably did them more harm than goodBro's been AWOL since the slampigbassador program ended.
GymWolf
Member
I can probably dig out people saying that hb2 combat is exceptional and that halo infinite had a great story, internet is a crazy place dude.
But here on gaf you can't say that people doesn't shit on sony with a straight face.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Maybe they were ported to other (forum) platforms.Riky, Mage and Cat
(Mage is still here in spirit though, ghosting us with likes.)
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sainraja
Member
Don't let him bully you. He's definitely one of those 'ones' but only a tiny bit more clever than the rest, who will backtrack or play forgetful, sort of like he was earlier.
FrankWza
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Giallo Corsa
Member
Don't know man, in 2 other threads I've been reading that PS has no gamez® and that Xbox is the one that has - in fact - all the gamez®.
Also, remakes don't count, RPGs don't count, games not released on GP don't count, no sir, the good, GOTY stuff can only be found on Xbox and GP, the best value in gaming, only for 12.99 a month®
LordOcidax
Member
Good graphics, Good story, bad animations, Ok gameplay mechanics… Its not GOTY material at all.
FeastYoEyes
Member
Just finished it and loved it. I am fully aware though it's influenced by my love of Indiana Jones and nostalgia.
GymWolf
Member
I was talking broadly because you quoted slimy.
The game has setpieces so ìt is a non-problem and the combat is very similar to how indy fights, the execution may be a bit shit t but it's not like the climbing\slow walking in uncharted 4 is any less shit in term of gameplay\fun factor value.
Hell i fucking hate setpieces because 99% of times are just pure spectacle with barely any gameplay value, be it huge bosses like cronos in gow3 or sandman fight in sp2 or stuff like the motorbike chase in u4.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Xbox Subsidy.
i don't think this game was played by that many people.
i don't think this game was played by that many people.
Indiana Jones is a fictional professor and an archeologist.
Spiderman is a fictional super hero whose shtick is swinging around a mega city on web ropes and climbing buildings.
Surely even you can appreciate the difference ?
Not everything has to be in third person, either. We just had a GOTY caliber Batman VR game last year that was very well received.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Judging by their refusal to silence Phil Spencer, they actually like harming their brand.Judging my that comment they are probably paying him to STFU. Probably did them more harm than good
Mibu no ookami
Banned
The narrative fell apart largely with Astro Bot...
Sony winning GOTY and multiplayer GOTY (and live service GOTY) was a narrative buster.
Microsoft DOES have a lot of games this year, but a lot of that is simply a result of the volume you get by combining Microsoft + Zenimax + ABK.... Which comes with problems... such as multiplatform releases.
None of these games are GOTY candidates AND they're multiplatform.
At the end of the day, it's probably best for people to stop the console warring... there really isn't any purpose for it anymore (if there ever was to begin with).
GHG
Member
The end.
(Image stolen from another thread, I don't have Riky on ignore)
diffusionx
Gold Member
My initial impressions after 2-3 hours is that yes it looks like another game overrated by Microsoft shills, but it's a lot better than other games they've tried to shill like Shartfield.
The perspective switch is indeed awkward and the fighting does not feel good but the game is fun to explore and sneak around and learn about the world. The game's production values are phenomenal and the story is solid Indiana Jones and better than anything from this franchise since the 1980s. It's a game closer to Chronicles of Riddick than say Tomb Raider 2013 and that's not for everyone, but it is interesting and welcome.
The perspective switch is indeed awkward and the fighting does not feel good but the game is fun to explore and sneak around and learn about the world. The game's production values are phenomenal and the story is solid Indiana Jones and better than anything from this franchise since the 1980s. It's a game closer to Chronicles of Riddick than say Tomb Raider 2013 and that's not for everyone, but it is interesting and welcome.
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GymWolf
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A stealth focused game with a dumbass ai that you can exploit all you want without a sweat is not exactly good either, you can have good stealth with more smart\aggressive ai, old thief games, mgs5 all games that are considered pinnacle stealth and have decent\good ai.
Ai being THIS dumb in indy is not the positive you think it is, it make look the game cheap, same for the combat.
Dishonored desn't have excellent ai behaviour but on the hardest mode their sight\hearing sense are super acute.
I know people use the power fantasy excuse but that is why you have different difficult modes, easy\normal for people who want power fantasy and smashing an entire base of nazi with bare hands and hard mode for people who want to actually sweat a little, it is not a good excuse at all.
It looks to me like the game doesn't even know what it want to be, i read that even the puzzles are pretty easy.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Play the game. One cool setpiece in a 15 hour game isnt enough.
A good action adventure game mixes in setpieces through out the story to keep things interesting. This felt like a snoozefest for the first 6-7 hours i played before quitting out of sheer boredom.
And yes, Uncharted 4 sucks ass because its boring. Neil turned it into a slower TLOU instead of a fast paced action game like Uncharted 2 or Uncharted 3. Two wrongs dont make a right.
Fess
Member
It's possible to have your own taste in games
I could question the legitimacy of online chatter, and critics reviews, that Baldur's Gate 3 was a GOTY. Played it for 25 hours. It was soooo slow that I fell asleep, several times, during combat. Simply decided that it wasn't for me and dropped it.
As a result I'm no longer interested in turn based combat. Used to wish that Final Fantasy went back to turn based but if BG3 is the best you can get, then Nah. (Yes I will still try Clair Obscur some day, if it's still on Gamepass by then)
Meanwhile I enjoyed almost everything of Indiana Jones. I was sceptic of the first person perspective but in the end it was great and felt like role playing as Indy and playing through a great Indy movie. Had some of the better open levels I've experienced, tons of verticality and lots of variation and stuff to find. Looked amazing too, played it with path tracing on PC.
I could question the legitimacy of online chatter, and critics reviews, that Baldur's Gate 3 was a GOTY. Played it for 25 hours. It was soooo slow that I fell asleep, several times, during combat. Simply decided that it wasn't for me and dropped it.
As a result I'm no longer interested in turn based combat. Used to wish that Final Fantasy went back to turn based but if BG3 is the best you can get, then Nah. (Yes I will still try Clair Obscur some day, if it's still on Gamepass by then)
Meanwhile I enjoyed almost everything of Indiana Jones. I was sceptic of the first person perspective but in the end it was great and felt like role playing as Indy and playing through a great Indy movie. Had some of the better open levels I've experienced, tons of verticality and lots of variation and stuff to find. Looked amazing too, played it with path tracing on PC.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
It's a good game but several tiers below GOTY material. Just proposing it as such is crazy.
