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Infamous: Second Son |OT| Smells Like Beanie Spirit
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Game is not perfect and doesn't deserve a 10, but "flawed at its core in ways that makes it unfun"? Are you kidding? For what, for having game play elements that have been in Infamous games from the very beginning?
No game is perfect. Every game has some game play elements that some people hate. Just one example: Assassin's Creed: Black Flag still has the eavesdropping missions. But that game didn't deserve a 7 because of it, and indeed garnered generally high reviews.
Spring-Loaded
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I Wanna Be The Guy said the game world was lifeless, enemy design lacked variety and the missions were poorly put together. You responded by saying "that's inFamous." If "that's inFamous," and those things are unfun, then inFamous is flawed. Does that make sense?
Saying Sucker Punch had their hands tied and needed to make the game really similar to past inFamous games would make some sense. Saying that those problems being around forever somehow makes them negligible is something else entirely. If it's not fun for someone, it's not fun.
And Assassin's Creed's quality doesn't have any bearing on the quality of this game. Focusing on average review scores ignores the points the reviewers made in their actual reviews. "Deserve" is so subjective when it comes to numbered scores that there's little point in discussing them, especially when you start comparing (the scores of) unrelated games to one another.
Another Infamous game and once again I've regretted that I bought it. Started a good run, but got bored and have now started a bad play through in the hopes it makes it funner.
Game looks good, but doesn't look "whoa. This is next gen" for me.
Should've just tried to rent it somewhere. Bummer.
Game looks good, but doesn't look "whoa. This is next gen" for me.
Should've just tried to rent it somewhere. Bummer.
badboy78660
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264mb for me...but intiallly it seems to mainly address bugs 'n' such.
update for papertrail or are all the missions already on the disc/in the prior patch?
I Wanna Be The Guy
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So the flaws of a new game in a franchise should be ignored because those flaws are expected from that series....
Holy shit. Worst defence ever. Your comment on reviews is equally as dumb. Reviewers may give too many 9's these days, but you'd be hard pressed to find too many games as problematic and half baked as Infamous Second Son not get a mixed bag when it comes to reviews. If anything critics were pretty kind to Second Son overall. Considering how half baked and flawed it is, it's lucky it has a metascore above 80. I've played plenty of games with less problems than Infamous Second Son that didn't manage to crack 80 on metacritic. Any 7s this game got were absolutely justified.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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You are right. It was an exaggeration for me to say literally all the side content is filler. Let me rephrase. Literally every type of side mission was reused in a way that made it filler. Some of that side content was fun....the first few times. But it's literally just the same stuff over and over again on different parts of the map and that really is filler. I think it's unfair to give that a pass or say that the lack of interesting side content is ok because it went for a minimal approach to open world design as opposed to the GTA style of having tons of side stuff. It they really were going for that minimal approach to side content then the side content wouldn't have been reused as filler so much.
Edit: Double post, sorry.
badboy78660
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Ditto; can't confirm if the patch was for Paper Trail because the site's giving me problems :'(.
Nope, you're missing the point (again). People have said the exact same things about other open world games, like GTA IV and V. Lifeless game world, poor missions, etc. It's an unfortunate limitation of open world games. But I and millions of others disagree with you that it makes the game not fun to play. I'm not sure how you can argue that. Because you don't find it fun, it's flawed and not fun for anyone? What?
Reviewers are entitled to their opinions and I am entitled to call them out on their biases when those opinions are not consistently applied to all games they review. Quite simple really.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Anybody saying GTA V has a lifeless game world or poor missions has clearly never played the game.
FrankWza
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Just started today...maybe 20% in. Looks great....at times amazing. But yeah, they didn't do much to improve on infamous core gameplay and objectives. I just played through the series so it's fresh in my head. Same old same old which is fine. Theres also a ton of camera problems. I haven't done many upgrades yet but,
I hope not
will I always have to refill smoke to have shooting ability?
I hope not
I Wanna Be The Guy
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You can upgrade your abilities so that your attacks won't use as much energy and your bar will get bigger. Trust me, that won't be an issue.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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New thing - I was just playing some of the paper trail content on a cleared map and I started to get DUP raid alerts. Turns out they slowly take back the city if you let them.
FrankWza
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Ok thanks...I was saving my upgrades so I guess I'll use them. But that's a relief because it's kind of annoying. I wonder why they made it part of the game?
I got into the papertrail site earlier, and it said Part 2 was up (on the site atleast).
yeah, noticed it when I was doing some trophy cleanup.
An another note, I really miss side missions from the other games, just a few extra missions like the ones you had with Kuo or Nixx in infamous 2. Didn't flesh out the other characters at all in this.
Seriously, why are you still even posting in this official thread? To bash this game and insult those as "dumb" that do not believe its "issues" deserve to score the game a 7? You are entitled to your opinion, even when it's as ridiculous as yours. Game is NOT a 10, but you are over-playing its "issues" common to open world-games and making them into "flaws" to make the argument that the game deserves a 7 or lower. And I'm an idiot for responding to your drivel, so I'm done.
That could have been fun/cute as Good Delsin but it really wouldn't have worked as Evil Delsin. Legit mega spoiler:
I mean, he literally murders Betty at the end because she was mean to him.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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You can score the game what you want. If you think it deserves more then fine. But you should also be able to acknowledge that reviewers are justified in giving it lower scores considering how flawed the game is. Even if you don't see the flaws as a big deal to you personally you should still be able to see that they exist and understand that other people aren't going to be as forgiving to them.
Also I didn't call you dumb. I called a specific argument you tried to use dumb. There's a difference. Also I'm not here just to bash the game. Hell, I like the game. But I'm also not going to turn a blind eye to the things I feel the game did badly. I'm going to state my positive and negative opinions of the game.
Most Second Son's side missions are finding/chasing secret agents or finding/destroying cameras. There's at least one of each of those per zone and they're all terrible. They're not fun the first time and they only get worse from there.
I thought the game was fantastic but the shitty side missions are a problem. Kind of. They're optional so it's not *too* bad.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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True to an extent, but I think Second Son is a bigger offender than a lot of other open world games. It's been a while since I played Infamous 1 and 2, but I actually don't remember this being as bad in those games. Maybe someone who played the games recently can comment on that? Is the side content actually a step down in Second Son or am I just not remembering right?
InFamous 1 and 2's side missions were largely a lot like the main story missions. Take out these thugs, follow this guy, blow up a thing, etc.
In inFamous 2 which I just replayed before SS Cole never really talks at all during the Side missions, they are pretty much a meet someone who says something then you go and do said objective.
There were a few repeats but it was a little more varied in the sense that you had some odd ones like fighting street performers.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Yeah that's what I thought. Certainly a lot more enjoyable than the find hidden camera, spray tag, secret agent stuff in this game. Personally I think the lack of interesting side content is probably due to it being a launch window game. They certainly put a lot of effort in to making the game look so good and the core mechanics were very well done. Beyond that they probably just didn't have enough time to put more meaningful content in the game. Hopefully the game gets a sequel and that's one of the things they'll be able to do.
Fair enough. And I admit it has flaws, and we can discuss the positives and negatives on GAF amicably. Still don't think its a 7 though
But you and I do not write reviews for a living and make money off of the advertising the site sells that's driven by clicks to the site (and the review). Is it too much to ask sites and reviewers to apply criticisms that drive the score down consistently across games on differing platforms? (I gave up on asking for ethics in journalism a long time ago).
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Oh hell yeah. It's the one thing they absolutely nailed. I can't fault the core gameplay mechanics at all really.
BundysFeet
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Just finished the game and it was such an amazing ride. First game I've completed in probably a good 18-24 months. I didn't care for the first two Infamous games and didn't have too high of expectations for this one. BOY was I wrong. Sucker Punch deserves all of the sales they get for this game.
I am at 40% complete and
Anybody else get a little frame rate problems when you go into your special move with a lot of guys are on the screen? I noticed it happen
about to head into where the 3rd conduit hideout.
Anybody else get a little frame rate problems when you go into your special move with a lot of guys are on the screen? I noticed it happen
when you use the neon special move. I noticed it happening in the Lantern District.
Care to explain?oh, fuck me!
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kehehehe....
Honestly, they take too long.
Man, the fight against the one who dwells was bullshit.
Repetitive fight against a boss with tons of health, an environment that makes it very easy to get stuck or have something in your sight, attacks that stun you (I hate that nonsense in any game), potentially combo-stun you, and an attack power that can kill you easily if you get combo-stuned and stucked.
I don't understand, you can Flash through the city and almost fly at time but we are going to complain about climbing and swimming? What? If you are climbing then you are wrong and yes, the swimming thing is dumb but I understand why they did it.
Before we call it bullshit for sure let's make sure that you knew
when he seperates into all of the small angels to fly across the room, you are aware you were supposed to be shooting those out of the sky to do the big damage right?
petethepanda
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Finished my second easy/good playthrough; Platinum get. Possibly the easiest I've gotten. Fun, though.
Not sure which story I preferred, evil or good. The story as a whole was pretty underwhelming, though it had a lot of great individual moments. I kind of wonder if it's possible to tell a great story (that is, a more than simply "good... for a video game" level story) in an open-world game, or for that matter, a game with moral decisions.
Oh, and the text prompt you get after the credits.
Ha haaa.
Not sure which story I preferred, evil or good. The story as a whole was pretty underwhelming, though it had a lot of great individual moments. I kind of wonder if it's possible to tell a great story (that is, a more than simply "good... for a video game" level story) in an open-world game, or for that matter, a game with moral decisions.
Oh, and the text prompt you get after the credits.
Cement your victory...
I'm actually pretty lenient on Infamous here* and I honestly rated the game a 4/10 until the third power. The third power got me back in the groove again. Never before have I experienced such a turn with a game and using a power many don't have a fondness for :]
That one is probably my favorite.
I've seen it implied that burning out on side missions is 'playing the game wrong.' That's a very poor excuse to me. I know that developers routinely go through every possibility during design so my suggestion is probably nothing new. Second Son should have slowly unlocked all of the district side missions along with the main story. As Delsin slowly accomplished his goals the DUP should have done more to assert itself. DUP escalation more closely matching Deslin's. Most of the main missions were average open world stuff and some were pretty good. I actually liked most aspects of the boss encounters. It gave me a good laugh when part of them broke down into the side mission strategy of
run around building up meter then Karma Bomb the objective
*Wow, Second Son just gave me Far Cry 2 flashbacks. Weird thing here is FC2 better realized its environment, but I ended up having much more fun with Second Son.
Yes, the game missed an opportunity to make it more interesting. Climbing the final tower was the closest it got.
Uno Venova
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The side missions are definitely the worst in the series, it's probably why SS feels shorter than past games because they're so repetitive that I can't do any more after a while and just go on with the story. inFamous 1 had much more variety, satellite uplinks were a lot of fun, nothing like that here.
If you want to skip them, do them with remote play.
You do the part where you shake the can and then skip to the end.Yes, I did that. I am not saying that fight was too hard - I died three times - it was just badly designed and boring. When I died, I didn't have the feel that I died justly for screwing up.
I jumped around, spammed R1, recharged and alternated between Neon/Smoke, killed the angels first, tried to have something in the LoS while recharging.
DarkLordMalik
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This was my second plat and perhaps the easiest one. Loved doing it though.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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It is auto win but it's very fun and satisfying and using it in combination with your combat abilities works very well. I was a huge fan of games like Crackdown and Prototype so I do love an open world game with simple and fun traversal. Gives you that superhero feeling.
Care to explain?
First two pictures are the Master Sword from the Zelda Series
last pic is a Mario and Luigi Sketch
Just making sure, I think the fight was to long too but there were some who were complaining about length and were unaware of what I spoiled.
Neuromancer
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OK I saw the master sword but what the hell is this?edit:
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Edit: Mario and Luigi? I don't see it