Inside The Mummys Troubles: Tom Cruise Had Excessive Control
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As does Rogue Nation.
Mission Impossible is one of the few action film series that is neither a MCU piece nor a prestige, R rated action drama (see Logan) but still ends up turning out very well critically and financially.
I expect that this article is a bit of throwing Tom Cruise under the bus. This film's failures seem more like the fault of Alex Kurtzman (who is known for his awful characters and lazy, connect the dots plotting) as well as the studio's need to build up a cinematic expanded universe as quickly as possible. I just don't see Cruise caring that much about all of the Prosidum (?) bullshit.
CosmicGroinPull
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If they're throwing Tom Cruise under the bus, does this mean they've given uo on their whatever movievers? Yay
Adam Sadler
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I really like Knight & Day
MikeHattsu
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They gonna reboot their Dank Universe yet again?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Tom Cruise doesn't make movies, he makes Tom Cruise movies. It was stupid to involve him unless that's all they cared about doing.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
It's too late. They already did the big cast reveal in the trades. They could certainly ignore this movie and only take Dr. Jekyll from it. But I'm thinking they're going to limp through these next movies no matter what.
kunonabi
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Vanilla Sky is great.
LordOfLore
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Shadowhelper
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Hmmmmm, when Cruise works with good directors and writers the movie usually ends up being very good. This movie was actually co written by his new golden boy, whatever the dude who wrote and directed the last Mission Impossible movie. Also apparently saved Rogue One.
Well, the script was an aimless piece of shit. Incoherent at times. Kurtzman isn't exactly impeccable at all. Most of his movies are shit.
Tom Cruise actually exerts just as much influence on many of his other movies, the ones he produces, and they turn out great like the Mission Impossible movies. This just seems like Cruise assembled his team, which he is usually really good at doing. But it seems like he assumed his golden boy would spin the script into shape again, but that didn't happen, and Kurtzman isn't going to save the movie. I mean Kurtzman was also a scriptwriter so there isn't much of an excuse for allowing such a huge piece of shit to come out.
As good as Cruise can be, he isn't a screenwriter. I think he might've put too much faith into his writer.
Well, the script was an aimless piece of shit. Incoherent at times. Kurtzman isn't exactly impeccable at all. Most of his movies are shit.
Tom Cruise actually exerts just as much influence on many of his other movies, the ones he produces, and they turn out great like the Mission Impossible movies. This just seems like Cruise assembled his team, which he is usually really good at doing. But it seems like he assumed his golden boy would spin the script into shape again, but that didn't happen, and Kurtzman isn't going to save the movie. I mean Kurtzman was also a scriptwriter so there isn't much of an excuse for allowing such a huge piece of shit to come out.
As good as Cruise can be, he isn't a screenwriter. I think he might've put too much faith into his writer.
MisterHero
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If the Dark Universe doesn't work out he can still be Hal Jordan
Yes. I'd argue that Cruise's devotion to the franchise is the major reason it exists.
Nah, Cruise doesn't do what he does for money. I mean he's going to want to get paid, it's his career, but the man legit loves making movies.
NealMcCauley
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He'd never agree to the make-up but Cruise could channel some of Collateral's Vincent into a decent Sinestro.
Unknown Soldier
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Much like Pirates of the Caribbean, the first Stephen Sommers Mummy was great, the sequel wasn't as good, by the third movie everyone was happy the trilogy was over.
Unfortunately they kept making PotC films, and it seems they are going to make more Mummy films too. Sigh.
RedAssedApe
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should have kept mum about "dark universe" until they saw the box office returns.
Yes.
tearsintherain
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In this day and age its extremely hard to sneak a movie into box office success. Transformers should be an interesting case. Domestically, we have seen time and time and time again that movies with weak scores bombing the first weekend, which wouldn't have happened as much just a decade ago. You used to more or less be able to guarantee that if star X is involved and you spend $Y on marketing you WILL make back your budget.
The only thing saving blockbusters right now are overseas box office receipts, and even that is going to die out as China and others start making their own summer blockbusters.
Social media has become a double edged sword - it lets advertising do its own job as word of mouth spreads extremely fast, but it also quickly spreads when a movie, game, TV show, whatever isn't very good.
The only thing saving blockbusters right now are overseas box office receipts, and even that is going to die out as China and others start making their own summer blockbusters.
Social media has become a double edged sword - it lets advertising do its own job as word of mouth spreads extremely fast, but it also quickly spreads when a movie, game, TV show, whatever isn't very good.
Violence Jack
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But was that before or after they decided on this whole Dark Universe thing? Because if it was after that fact, then it wouldn't really matter if they got Cruise or not since I would assume they were going to make The Mummy part of the cinematic universe anyway, and brought in someone a little lower-tier who wouldn't ask for creative control.
Yes, both critically and financially. But then gotta be edgy on a gaming forum, amirite?
But this is a good thing. The secret to success? Make good shit. That's how it should be.
clockworkinyou
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I'm one of the few that actually really enjoyed Oblivion
T.v
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Right? such a fun movie.
I believe that Tom had a lot of control over this movie, it's how he works nowadays, but I am hesitant to lay the blame on him considering his track record.
clockworkinyou said:
I'm with you. Looked and sounded amazing. Definitely one of my favorite recent sci-fi movies.
crisdecuba
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Let the scapegoating begin.
What I don't understand is how the execs don't realize that audiences simply don't want a mummy movie. It's not an interesting IP nowadays.
What I don't understand is how the execs don't realize that audiences simply don't want a mummy movie. It's not an interesting IP nowadays.
IdreamofHIME
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Who the fuck knows. There's actually a part in the movie where Crowe calls Cruise a young man, despite Cruise being older than him.
Warm Machine
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I agree. I don't know how you go from directing a drama to a multi million dollar effects tent pole. I know he is a producer of big movies but so are hundreds of people who would never dream of rolling camera on one.
Cruise seems to find directors he trusts and enjoys working with. He usually has taste and a bravery, the sort of bravery that gets Brad Bird to go live action or believe in Kosinski with Oblivion after seeing Tron Legacy. I think he just made an error of judgement here.
Cruise is no stranger to a set and once you've worked with Spielberg, Tony and Ridley Scott, Paul Anderson, JJ Abrams, Cameron Crowe, Oliver Stone, Michael Mann, Edward Zwick, Rob Reiner, and more I think he knows what his job is.
Beforehand. I want to say rumors of a modern day Cruise starring Mummy was around since 2012 or so; rumors ranged from a sequel to '99 Mummy to a standalone, but he wasn't officially in until '15.
This Dark Universe thing is definitely recent though, I doubt the initial project was even conceived with that in mind.
Either way, this article screams of the studio or whoever trying to blame something for it being a bit of a flop, and he's the biggest and most convenient target.
Gentleman Jack
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They literally start the film with 'DARK UNIVERSE' in the opening logos.
Count Dookkake
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Just_myles
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I agree. They saw what happened at Warners and don't want that kind of bad look. Totally their fault. There are other bankable hollywood leads that could have easily done this role and probably made more money.
GAF's man-crush on Tom Cruise continues to be the weirdest thing about it.
Dude is a shit-heel. Even if his filmography was as good as some here claim - and it's not - he's still a well known ego-maniacal control freak who has been a party to all sorts of sketchy scientology shit.
Dude is a shit-heel. Even if his filmography was as good as some here claim - and it's not - he's still a well known ego-maniacal control freak who has been a party to all sorts of sketchy scientology shit.
Zoe
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Maybe she disrespected Lord Xenu.
What did he mean by this?
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He should try directing then