BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I'm really curious about their GPUs. Those are kinda soon right?
Kenpachii
Member
first half year of next year, so yea kinda.
True.
Maybe read up before responding, and coming off like an ass.
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StateofMajora
Banned
I'm investing in intel after we are clear from a market correction.
Intel is a great long term investment imo.
Intel is a great long term investment imo.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
It's too late Intel. In my house with 3 gaming PCs they are all AMD.
robbulous
Banned
This is the cycle of things. Intel releases a new product that puts them way ahead of AMD, and then AMD spends a couple years reverse engineering it and building on it, and releases a superior product for less money. Then Intel's RND has another breakthrough, and the cycle repeats itself.
Papacheeks
Banned
maybe don't post outdated sources:
That's outdated compared to what Lisa sue has said: https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ceo-dr-...-the-chip-shortage-will-ease-up-in-late-2022/
Also new fabs will be built also by mid to end of next year.
Issue hasn't been CPU's for a while. They are readily available.
Because china banned crypto Newegg actually along with others has stock. Matter of time before prices go down.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Them some fighting words right there. But they are right! Competition is key for us consumers!
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Yeah competition is great.
The only noticeable amd has made in years was to push Intel to do faster hardware.
Thanks amd.
ripeavocado
Banned
All talking no results, show us the benchmarks.
AMD is still king.
AMD is still king.
StateofMajora
Banned
This is so strange to me. I just don't understand how someone could fanboy for processors… They do the same damn thing, it should matter what's faster.
Cpu cheerleading is even weirder than gpu cheerleading. At least with that, there's different features, drivers etc. There's actually a difference beyond performance. Cpu? Nope. One's faster than the other, that's it.
Amd has been better for productivity since zen 1, and offered decent gaming performance again. Then the productivity gap got wider, until finally amd beat intel in games for zen 3. To ignore all that is weird.
Intel had a gaming advantage all the way to 9900k. For the record I want intel to beat zen 4 so we can have price war again.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
How about CEOs and marketing departments just tout their own products and services without the need to bash a competitor or innovator. What a refreshing change that would be. I feel like AMD have more cooking and talent these days.
Brigandier
Member
Maybe gloat and suck your own dick once your next line up is out and performing as good as you always say it will....
Sure they might trump Zen 3+ next year by negligible differences in performance that the majority won't notice but will they match the value and temps/power consumption???
If so good for them but I bet Zen 4 absolutely crushes the hell out of anything Intel releases and leaves them for dust but will we see Lisa Siu act like a moron?.
Sure they might trump Zen 3+ next year by negligible differences in performance that the majority won't notice but will they match the value and temps/power consumption???
If so good for them but I bet Zen 4 absolutely crushes the hell out of anything Intel releases and leaves them for dust but will we see Lisa Siu act like a moron?.
Haint
Member
A confident one. Leaked benches, if real, have been suggesting a +40% advantage to Intel Vs. the 5950X which would be one of (if not THE) largest current-Vs-current gaps in history. A Zen 3+ refresh was rumored to head off these Intel chips, but there was talk of cancelation due to performance gains being uselessly disappointing (single digits), so I'm not sure where that stands now. A genuine Zen 4 could at best be rushed to land Q3 or Q4 2022, but achieving +40% over Zen 3 would require nothing short of a miracle, nevermind beating the 12XXX's. AMD rolled a pair of 6's for 8 years in a row with Intel being stuck on 14nm, and they still lost decidedly every single year save for the 5XXX's.
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roosnam1980
Member
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Imagine calling someone a liar while using a source for a competing company instead of a source from the company the person was originally talking about.
July 23, 2021:
Intel CEO Says Chip Shortage Could Stretch Into 2023
It could take one or two years to get back to a reasonable supply-and-demand balance in the semiconductor industry, Pat Gelsinger said in an interview after Intel posted largely flat second-quarter sales and profit.
www.wsj.com
Intel =/= AMD
Even if the semi-conductor shortage is resolved late 2022 for AMD, that doesn't mean that Intel is going to be on that same time frame. Different companies have different contacts, different management, different resource usage, and different levels of efficiency. This comment was not the slam-dunk that you thought it was. Especially considering that this is just a giant guess for anyone, including AMD and Intel. AMD's CEO was likely painting a best-case-scenario, and Intel's is likely more realistic. We can't know for sure, but calling someone a liar based on the opinion of a CEO from a different company altogether was bad form.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Thank you! I want both to be as competitive as ever. People fanboying over this, is dumb af. I'll take whatever gives me the best performance
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Somehow, I missed the news that Pat fucking Gelsinger was back at Intel! Holy hell! Big win for Intel, their future is bright again.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I'll believe it when I see it, Intel.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
He is right.
The momentum where AMD was making progress alone while Intel was paralyzed is over, now AMD will have to compete with Intel for real.
Problem is for him that AMD is now a new company, they can compete.
The biggest threat for Intel for now is Intel itself. Now that they are back in the game they may no be as aggressive with the pricing as they are now. Rumor is that Alder Lake will be expensive. The CPU alone will be pricey. Now add the new motherboard and new very expensive DDR5... This will end enabling AMD to ask a premium for Ryzen 3D making the so needed cash they need to put into building new architectures.
The momentum where AMD was making progress alone while Intel was paralyzed is over, now AMD will have to compete with Intel for real.
Problem is for him that AMD is now a new company, they can compete.
The biggest threat for Intel for now is Intel itself. Now that they are back in the game they may no be as aggressive with the pricing as they are now. Rumor is that Alder Lake will be expensive. The CPU alone will be pricey. Now add the new motherboard and new very expensive DDR5... This will end enabling AMD to ask a premium for Ryzen 3D making the so needed cash they need to put into building new architectures.
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PandemiaPorcina
Member
Intel are the most cringy tech company in the world
lils
Member
it is very easy to contrive a benchmark that makes you look good and have it "leaked".
before you decide to put any stock in it, take a look at this:
benchmarks made by people trying to sell you stuff are always going to be biased towards them, but for intel much more so than most...
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Schnozberry
Member
Let's see if they deliver the goods at prices that don't amount to extortion.
I think Intel tried to consolidate their advantage but went too big on the original 10nm (Intel 7) spec and could bot hit the targets which allowed TSMC to catch and pass them on the node front.
Had Intel executed on 10nm as per the original roadmap AMD would either be bankrupt or under different ownership now.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Benchmarks are looking good but AMD won't be sleeping either.
SolidQ
Member
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Oof if true. We need competition, AMD getting cheeky with its pricing.
another Rocket Lake?
ZywyPL
Banned
I don't know if it's Intel's fault really, seeing how their i3 was doing circles around Jaguar in PS4/XB1, people just really didn't need that much more powerful (and hence more expensive to make) CPUs, and AMD well, was basically just a poor man's alternative. They caught up with Intel with Ryzens, but again, the "more cores" strategy isn't really working that well in terms of video games, an ordinary quad-core like Ryzen 3 3300x is still more than enough even for 144Hz gaming, and probably will be for the rest of this generation. And at the same time Intel can' t go any much higher than~5GHz. So it looks like we're about ot be stuck in yet another stagnant period, which I personally love as all you need is just swap the GPU once every few years and you have a perfectly capable machine instead of having to build everything from scratch.
Negotiator101
Member
A very confident one, this is the point though people on here are missing. CEO's don't make statements like that unless they have a superior product, having the better product doesn't necessarily equate to better sales though.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yeah, they do. ALL. THE. TIME.
Not saying Intel is wrong, but this idea that CEOs don't make hyperbolic comments...C'mon man.
TheDreadLord
Member
I believe that Intel will do a great product. People often put them down for whatever reasons but their R&D team is still among the best. Unfortunately, management failed in planning and now they find themselves in a situation that they need to run behind a less capable company… Not to say about the damage that this has done to the brand.
