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[Gaogaogao]

Shit, I was debating really hard about getting a SB setup upgrade from my Core i7, but now the decision has been made for me. I am sorry for all those affected, but I am feeling better now that I don't have to think about the pros and cons of this upgrade.

if you already have an i7, you should be holding off for the next chipset anyway.

 

[Version 3.0]

That's pretty lame. I'm torn...I have 15 days left to activate my OEM Windows 7 on my new P8P67 Deluxe MB. It has 8 SATA connectors inside and a few more on the back. This means I shouldn't use two of them (which I already am at the moment).

If that's really all it amounts to, I'd rather just not use those and keep it rather than wait for a new one to be released. I wonder if they've really got the problem nailed down exactly, though. I would stink to find out a month from now that it's a bigger problem, and as someone pointed out, I'd be out the price of a copy of Windows 7.

 

[Datschge]

You are still ok to buy old Intel Hardware.

I know. But how do you tell that to a technical illiterate buyer without going into technical details?

I guess the best way to "solve" this all is Intel telling all the manufacturers and sellers to remove or cut off the SATA 3G ports from the affected boards and only mention the 6G ports anymore everywhere. Everything else is quite a potentially huge hassle for everyone involved. No good for increasing confidence in one's product.

 

[ShapeGSX]

That's pretty lame. I'm torn...I have 15 days left to activate my OEM Windows 7 on my new P8P67 Deluxe MB. It has 8 SATA connectors inside and a few more on the back. This means I shouldn't use two of them (which I already am at the moment).

If that's really all it amounts to, I'd rather just not use those and keep it rather than wait for a new one to be released. I wonder if they've really got the problem nailed down exactly, though. I would stink to find out a month from now that it's a bigger problem, and as someone pointed out, I'd be out the price of a copy of Windows 7.

I just activated an old copy of Windows Vista Home Premium OEM on a friend's computer. I originally had it installed on my computer. Then I upgraded to 7. My friend's computer's XP install died and I installed Vista instead. It wouldn't let me activate it online, so I called them up, read them several hundred numbers, typed in several hundred numbers that they read off to me, and it activated.

Does that not work anymore?

 

[tokkun]

That's pretty lame. I'm torn...I have 15 days left to activate my OEM Windows 7 on my new P8P67 Deluxe MB. It has 8 SATA connectors inside and a few more on the back. This means I shouldn't use two of them (which I already am at the moment).

If that's really all it amounts to, I'd rather just not use those and keep it rather than wait for a new one to be released. I wonder if they've really got the problem nailed down exactly, though. I would stink to find out a month from now that it's a bigger problem, and as someone pointed out, I'd be out the price of a copy of Windows 7.

I already own the P8P67 Pro and am already using the "faulty" ports.

Basically I figure that if they fail in a few years I can either:

(a) Use it as an excuse for my next upgrade or
(b) spend $15 for a PCI-E SATA card if I need the additional ports.

I think this problem is less of a big deal for ASUS since they put the extra Marvell SATA controller in there across most of their product line. Gigabyte, on the other hand, only has two non-faulty ports on everything except their $300 luxury board.

 

[matmanx1]

Well that really stinks. I (like many folks) built my system the week after SB hit with a Gigabyte UD4 P67 mobo. I'm using the two 6gb ports for my HDD's but my DVD drive is of course sitting on one of the older (and apparently bugged) 3gb ports. The upside for me is I don't use my optical drive all that often.

Still, I'm getting great performance out of my new rig and the problem shouldn't affect the great majority of what I do, even if it does show up eventually on my system. For those of you running a bunch of HDD's however, I feel for you.

 

[Raistlin]

I guess the best way to "solve" this all is Intel telling all the manufacturers and sellers to remove or cut off the SATA 3G ports from the affected boards and only mention the 6G ports anymore everywhere. Everything else is quite a potentially huge hassle for everyone involved. No good for increasing confidence in one's product.

Except there are OEM builds out there using SATA 3 ports

 

[Enk]

I already own the P8P67 Pro and am already using the "faulty" ports.

Are you using the 6GB or 3GB version? I thought the 6GB ones weren't affected by this.

 

[Chiggs]

Glad I decided to hold off to see what AMD has in store with Bulldozer. My condolences to those affected. Despite my love of pc hardware, this is the exact reason as to why I've become more judicious when it comes to purchasing new pc hardware.

 

[Raistlin]

Glad I decided to hold off to see what AMD has in store with Bulldozer.

There's the problem. AMD seems to have little interest in the performance market.

 

[tokkun]

Are you using the 6GB or 3GB version? I thought the 6GB ones weren't affected by this.

Both. I have 7 SATA devices in my system so I really have no choice at the moment.

 

[Chiggs]

There's the problem. AMD seems to have little interest in the performance market.

I'm more of a mid-range guy nowadays. I just want to see how their new cpus will fare against a 2500k.

 

[Raistlin]

I'm more of a mid-range guy nowadays. I just want to see how their new cpus will fare against a 2500k.

Understood. I was just making the general point because several posters have said fuck intel, go with AMD.

That isn't viable for all users.

 

[metsallica]

Which is completely ridiculous. If you're at all value/performance conscious there is no compelling reason to consider AMD right now. 5-15% of SOME SATA ports failing =/= the sky is falling.

Spoiler

What have I done...

 

[-viper-]

When is the AMD Bulldozer coming out? Is it expected to be as good as (or better than) the 2500k?

I see the Asus P67 Pro Motherboard has FOUR SATA 6GB ports and some 3GB ports. I only plan on using two. I suppose this issue DOES NOT AFFECT ME in any way? I can simply use my DVD and HDD on the 6GB port, right?

 

[godhandiscen]

if you already have an i7, you should be holding off for the next chipset anyway.

I checked the resale price of my mobo + CPU combo and basically the upgrade from a Nehalem i7 @ 3.8GHz to a SB i7 @ 4.5 GHz was $80, which tempted me a little.

 

[Raistlin]

I wonder if the ebay value for my mobo will be more than what I paid?

 

[Kujo]

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/21512-bulldozer-to-come-close-to-core-i7

We'll see. But if I can get a chip as fast as a 2600 for maybe a bit less I'll take it. Interested in their 8 'core' version

 

[Raistlin]

Got this from newegg after my inquiry whether they can extend the return date for mobos

This is a follow up on the motherboard issue that you ordered. We are awaiting feedback from Intel on the matter you have brought to our attention. Rest assured Newegg remains committed to your complete satisfaction. We will be in touch shortly to discuss the next steps and how we may best assist you.

Obviously it doesn't answer anything, but it appears they are at least in discussing it with intel.

 

[mrklaw]

When is the AMD Bulldozer coming out? Is it expected to be as good as (or better than) the 2500k?

I see the Asus P67 Pro Motherboard has FOUR SATA 6GB ports and some 3GB ports. I only plan on using two. I suppose this issue DOES NOT AFFECT ME in any way? I can simply use my DVD and HDD on the 6GB port, right?

That's my understanding. Which is why I ordered one this evening, after the press release.

If the issue can be kept under control, intel may well not choose to recall motherboards. They can stop current sales and handle the rest through care channels.

Not many people have 1155 motherboards at the moment
Only 5-15% of those may experience some degradation of performance, and possible failure.
Many of those will be able to be guided to switch to spare 6Gb ports

So you're probably left with a very small number of actual replacements needed, spread across 3 years or so. Maybe as a gesture of goodwill they could extend the warranty on all 1155 boards, a bit like MS did with Xbox.

 

[dzukela]

LOL no.

ok, buy this intel $hit now LOL

 

[Raistlin]

Only 5-15% of those may experience some degradation of performance, and possible failure.

Other manufacturers are claiming it's actually far worse than that

Many of those will be able to be guided to switch to spare 6Gb ports

Many boards only have 2 SATA 6 ports. While that may be enough for some users, it certainly isn't for all.

 

[Version 3.0]

Does that not work anymore?

No idea, but you've given me hope. Thanks!

I already own the P8P67 Pro and am already using the "faulty" ports.

Basically I figure that if they fail in a few years I can either:

(a) Use it as an excuse for my next upgrade or
(b) spend $15 for a PCI-E SATA card if I need the additional ports.

I think this problem is less of a big deal for ASUS since they put the extra Marvell SATA controller in there across most of their product line. Gigabyte, on the other hand, only has two non-faulty ports on everything except their $300 luxury board.

Pretty much what I was thinking. The only thing is, like I said, what if it turns out to be a worse issue after all? Ah, to hell with it. I'll wait and see. If I get stuck re-buying stuff...well, easy come, easy go. At least Intel is fessing up right away. I like that. Some companies (Microsoft, ahem) take years to admit their hardware is bad, or never do.

 

[mrklaw]

Other manufacturers are claiming it's actually far worse than that


Many boards only have 2 SATA 6 ports. While that may be enough for some users, it certainly isn't for all.

My main point was that's it's a fraction of a fraction of a small number of boards (1155 hasn't bput lout long so numbers out there are probably relatively low). In which case it may make more sense financially for intel to handle things on a case by case basis, and for consumers not to worry too much just yet.

As you said, some people won't be able to manage within that.

 

[-viper-]

That's my understanding. Which is why I ordered one this evening, after the press release.

If the issue can be kept under control, intel may well not choose to recall motherboards. They can stop current sales and handle the rest through care channels.

Not many people have 1155 motherboards at the moment
Only 5-15% of those may experience some degradation of performance, and possible failure.
Many of those will be able to be guided to switch to spare 6Gb ports

So you're probably left with a very small number of actual replacements needed, spread across 3 years or so. Maybe as a gesture of goodwill they could extend the warranty on all 1155 boards, a bit like MS did with Xbox.

Where did you buy your motherboard? I hope the MOBO prices drop a bit thanks to the press release..

 

[peppermints]

So if the CPUs themselves are unaffected, then why has Newegg pulled them from their site?

 

[xero273]

So if the CPUs themselves are unaffected, then why has Newegg pulled them from their site?

Because there are no motherboards to put the cpus in. That's probably why newegg pulled the cpus. No point in selling cpus if there aren't any motherboards.

 

[peppermints]

Because there are no motherboards to put the cpus in. That's probably why newegg pulled the cpus. No point in selling cpus if there aren't any motherboards.

Yes, but from what I've read it seems like the H67 chipsets aren't affected.. could be wrong on that, though.

 

[opticalmace]

Still adding to cart for me. Weird.

A SATA issue is hardly reason to eschew Sandy Bridge completely. This is my first build in 7(!) years because of SB, and a potential issue with SOME SATA ports is not a deterrent, more of a minor inconvenience.

I consider having to swap out the mobo due to faulty design more than a "minor inconvenience," but maybe that's just me.

 

[SpinnyPrinny]

I've been on/near the point of ordering a (badly needed) new machine from Dell over the past few months - keep holding out for better options with them. Really close to buying an XPS 8300 and now this news ... guess I'll be holding out until April for fear of them installing the faulty chipset. Someone posting on another board seems to have been told 'no problem we're aware of, or can comment on' from Dell:

Interesting, I was 'chatting' on Dell's site and they have NO PROBLEMS selling you the affected P67/H67 chipset ...
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http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/286265-12-sandy-bridge-design-flaw

 

[hteng]

I've been on/near the point of ordering a (badly needed) new machine from Dell over the past few months - keep holding out for better options with them. Really close to buying an XPS 8300 and now this news ... guess I'll be holding out until April for fear of them installing the faulty chipset. Someone posting on another board seems to have been told 'no problem we're aware of, or can comment on' from Dell:

Interesting, I was 'chatting' on Dell's site and they have NO PROBLEMS selling you the affected P67/H67 chipset ...
​

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/286265-12-sandy-bridge-design-flaw

yikes, better be safe than be sorry, i think most resellers pulling off the Mobos from their sites are a good sign to avoid the chipsets, at least until april. Maybe Dell's just slow to response to the news.

 

[ManeKast]

The Asus G73SW Laptops have just appeared in stock in Australia. I was about to buy one, tomorrow. Thinking of cancelling. My gut feeling is to cancel and wait.

Does this effect Laptop motherboards as well? Has there been any official response from Asus or any other companies?

 

[hteng]

The Asus G73SW Laptops have just appeared in stock in Australia. I was about to buy one, tomorrow. Thinking of cancelling. My gut feeling is to cancel and wait.

Does this effect Laptop motherboards as well? Has there been any official response from Asus or any other companies?

some digging around in the NBR boards, confirmed from a reputable reseller (GentechPC). yes SB notebooks are affected. no official word from Asus yet.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asu...ge-least-get-right-chipset-3.html#post7113872

over at the Sager/Clevo board, people had already setup a recall thread.. well thats fast lol.

 

[SpinnyPrinny]

I reckon code-naming it 'sandy bridge' jinxed it from the start - It just doesn't sound structurally sound. ^_^

 

[Raistlin]

Interesting, I was 'chatting' on Dell's site and they have NO PROBLEMS selling you the affected P67/H67 chipset ...
​

I'm shocked ... really ... I am :\



If Dell wasn't so big, I'm pretty sure intel would just drop the fuckers since the fallout will land on them. It's sad what a pile of shit the company has become over the years.

 

[CrookedRain]

I was getting close to upgrading. Disappointed that I'll have to wait another 2 months now.

 

[mrklaw]

Where did you buy your motherboard? I hope the MOBO prices drop a bit thanks to the press release..

scan in the UK. I'd actually expect motherboard prices to possibly rise, as the mainstream retailers pull them from the shelves, so supply will dry up.

 

[hteng]

scan in the UK. I'd actually expect motherboard prices to possibly rise, as the mainstream retailers pull them from the shelves, so supply will dry up.

can always switch to AMD

 

[Britprog]

I recently bought a Dell XPS 8300 and am very happy with my purchase.

Had a quick scan of this thread and I’m confused, I was under the impression that my new PC will not be unaffected.

I read this update on Engadget yesterday:

Update: Jimmy sent us a chat log with an Intel customer service representative indicating that this recall only affects "some desktop boards based on Intel P67 chipset," that the H67 chipset boards appear to not be affected, but that the company doesn't have a comprehensive list yet. We've certainly seen cases where CSRs don't have all the info in this sort of situation, but still we'd advise waiting a bit before tearing your new mobo out and bringing it back to the store.

I know my Mobo is H67 cause I have a core i7 2600 which has an onboard hdmi out, but posters here says both chipsets are effected??

Can someone help?

 

[Corto]

Why did I enter this thread? I could already taste my i5 build... dammit... I'm still debating with myself if I take the plunge nevertheless.

 

[Melfice7]

The consequences are just for some SATA ports to go bad? thats it? we can use 3G< HDD's on the non affected 6G ports right?

 

[mrklaw]

The consequences are just for some SATA ports to go bad? thats it? we can use 3G< HDD's on the non affected 6G ports right?

you can use 3G drives on the 6G ports, you can use 6G drives on the 6G ports, you can install a 3G PCI card and use that. Plenty of options.

 

[Melfice7]

Then this is a storm in a teacup? it isnt really a problem for people who want to connect few devices

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Sounds like if I can somehow find one, I will still likely go this route. I'm not the super anal guy who will be mad if 3 ports go out. All I care about is my ports working. If 3 are the issue, or whatever the number is, then as long as the rest work them we're good. I need to build something soon so it's either SB or a Phenom 1090T.

 

[Quixzlizx]

Sounds like if I can somehow find one, I will still likely go this route. I'm not the super anal guy who will be mad if 3 ports go out. All I care about is my ports working. If 3 are the issue, or whatever the number is, then as long as the rest work them we're good. I need to build something soon so it's either SB or a Phenom 1090T.

All but two of the ports are subject to failure. I guess even if you have three devices, the chances of the other four all failing before you upgrade your computer probably aren't too high, although nobody really knows at this point.

 

[codecow]

I went ahead with my order anyway. The highest end P67 mb from ASUS has 2 6gb on the intel controller, 4 3 gb on intel (these can fail), 2 6gb on a separate non intel controller, and 2 3gb on a different non intel controller.

Moral of the story, if you're concerned about losing those ports then get another controller and you don't have to worry.

 

[Dynamic3]

I went ahead with my order anyway. The highest end P67 mb from ASUS has 2 6gb on the intel controller, 4 3 gb on intel (these can fail), 2 6gb on a separate non intel controller, and 2 3gb on a different non intel controller.

Moral of the story, if you're concerned about losing those ports then get another controller and you don't have to worry.

Where can you still buy a P67 board in the US?

 

[Solo]

Then this is a storm in a teacup? it isnt really a problem for people who want to connect few devices

Indeed. Swapped my HDD and DVD player over to SATA6 and now I'm full steam ahead. I'll be ignoring this recall.

 

[Raistlin]

you can install a 3G PCI card and use that. Plenty of options.

Then you're sucking lanes off of what limited assets are there. Correct?

I'm really starting to think P67 is pretty I/O and bandwidth crippled. Obviously that is not an issue for most consumers, but I may be forced to upgrade to 2011 or AMD at some point. :\

Then this is a storm in a teacup? it isnt really a problem for people who want to connect few devices

Possibly, but we may need to wait-and-see on that. If you literally only use 2 ports, you're fine. If you use more though - it's hard to tell. While intel is claiming these 5-15% over 3 year stats, some of the word from mobo manufactures speak to the issue being worse than that.

 

[tokkun]

All but two of the ports are subject to failure. I guess even if you have three devices, the chances of the other four all failing before you upgrade your computer probably aren't too high, although nobody really knows at this point.

All but two of the Intel ports are subject to failure. My ASUS board came with an additional 2 internal SATA ports powered by a Marvell controller and an additional e-SATA port (or 2?) powered by a JMicron controller.