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Interesting xbox live survey? (about backwards compatability)

Spider_Jerusalem said:
"Xbox Live is an online gaming service that works across both the current Xbox system and the future Xbox 2. You will be able to play online and compete against others across both consoles. If you are playing an Xbox game on Live you will be able to compete against people playing that same game on Xbox 2."

This is exactly what I read here. If you're playing Madden 2006 on Xbox on Live, you'll be able to compete against people playing the same game (Madden 2006) on Xbox 2. Obviously, the Xbox 2 version of the same game.

This has nothing to do with BC, but simply with the fact that Xbox Live is accessible from both Xbox and Xbox 360 (and PC, I add).

"If you are already an Xbox Live subscriber through the original Xbox system, you can continue to play against gamers who are on Live through Xbox 2 -- as long as they are playing a current generation Xbox game."

As we are still in the "current generation," its quite clear that they are referring to the idea of playing Xbox 1 games (current generation) on Xbox 2.
 
thorns said:
It's quite clear to me. As long as someone is playing an Xbox 1 game on Xbox 2, you'll be able to play on live with that person through your Xbox 1.

you're right :-) I totally skipped this sentence ^^''


Madden 2006 Xbox 2 and Madden 2006 Xbox 1 will be completely different games, with totally different graphics, animation, physics etc. how do you expect them to play together?

I don't know how much will this be feasible, but I know they're planning to do exactly the same with games that will come out both on PC and 360, so I imagine they'll find a way...
 
Damn, I don't know how to read it.
I read it once, I see it one way, I read it again I see it another.
Its clearly no confirmation though.
 
its a really fucked up sentence

"If you are already an Xbox Live subscriber through the original Xbox system, you can continue to play against gamers who are on Live through Xbox 2 -- as long as they are playing a current generation Xbox game."

it kind of depends on what 'current generation' means. The first part sounds like your live will carry over to the xbox2 -- then the next part implies to me at least current gen means xbox2.
 
Flo_Evans said:
its a really fucked up sentence

"If you are already an Xbox Live subscriber through the original Xbox system, you can continue to play against gamers who are on Live through Xbox 2 -- as long as they are playing a current generation Xbox game."

it kind of depends on what 'current generation' means. The first part sounds like your live will carry over to the xbox2 -- then the next part implies to me at least current gen means xbox2.

I'm sorry, but WTF? How, under any sort of definition, could "current generation" be misinterpreted to describe something that doesn't exist yet?

Current generation = PS2, NGC, Xbox
Next Generation = Xbox 360, PS3, Rev.

The sentence is fine.
 
xbox 2 doesn't exist yet either. When it is out it it will be current gen. For someone to be playing a 'current gen' game on XBOX 2 means it will be an XBOX 2 game.
 
Flo_Evans said:
xbox 2 doesn't exist yet either. When it is out it it will be current gen. For someone to be playing a 'current gen' game on XBOX 2 means it will be an XBOX 2 game.

Thank you for solidifying my arguement. :)
 
Flo_Evans said:
its a really fucked up sentence

"If you are already an Xbox Live subscriber through the original Xbox system, you can continue to play against gamers who are on Live through Xbox 2 -- as long as they are playing a current generation Xbox game."

it kind of depends on what 'current generation' means. The first part sounds like your live will carry over to the xbox2 -- then the next part implies to me at least current gen means xbox2.

Um, the exerpt, fake or not, already refers to a "Xbox2"....so why wouldn't they just say "playing a current generation Xbox2 game"...if that was indeed what they were referring to. Point is, according to this supposed survey, you would be able to play on XBOX Live...on your XBOX...against someone playing an XBOX game on their XBOX2 system. No confusion.
 
This is starting to remind me of that thread where someone was trying to bend 360 into meaning 180 ("they've done a complete 360 on color, it's the exact opposite" :lol ).

So current generation means next generation, because if it was written in the future, the next generation would be the current gen, right ? :)
 
it also refers to 'original xbox' why not use that instead of current gen? All I am saying is that they are talking about a scenario where XBOX2 is already out. In that scenario current gen would be XBOX2.

This is starting to remind me of that thread where someone was trying to bend 360 into meaning 180

ahhh I know I'm not as retarded as that guy :D

either way, I hope xbox360 does have BC. I always wanted to get steel battalion :)]

EDIT: Looking at the part after 'current gen' it definatly says BC

"Xbox Live is an online gaming service that works across both the current Xbox system and the future Xbox 2. You will be able to play online and compete against others across both consoles. If you are playing an Xbox game on Live you will be able to compete against people playing that same game on Xbox 2."
 
Flo_Evans said:
it also refers to 'original xbox' why not use that instead of current gen? All I am saying is that they are talking about a scenario where XBOX2 is already out. In that scenario current gen would be XBOX2.



ahhh I know I'm not as retarded as that guy :D

either way, I hope xbox360 does have BC. I always wanted to get steel battalion :)


The sentence is still written in the present...it is referring to and describing systems that exist and don't exist and....AHHHHH. AHHHHH. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!






nm
 
Flo_Evans said:
it also refers to 'original xbox' why not use that instead of current gen? All I am saying is that they are talking about a scenario where XBOX2 is already out. In that scenario current gen would be XBOX2.

By that logic, it refers to the "future Xbox 2" in contrast to the "current Xbox system" in the very next sentence.

And think about it.

Assuming your interpretation is right, that would mean it basically says "if you're on Live through the Xbox, you can only play someone on Live through the Xbox 2 if that someone is playing an Xbox 2 game".

Which is strange since it implies that Xbox 2 owners have a choice of which format to play in (what else would they be playing other than Xbox 2 games - and presumably that choice would be Xbox 1 or 2). But then it would also mean that if Xbox 2 owners chose to play Xbox 1 games instead of Xbox 2 games, they would not be able to play against Xbox 1 gamers. (?)

And on top of that the very next bullet point from our fake survery says

"If they are playing an Xbox 2 game on the Live service, you must own Xbox 2."

So does the 2nd "Xbox 2" in that phrase refer to the Xbox 1 (because if it was written in the future, we'd subtract 1 or something :) ) ?
 
ok - so we agree that this fake survey confirms BC. Now all thats left is for MS to make it so!

sorry I'm a little ill today and my brain is not quite working.

I was thinking "you can continue to play against gamers who are on Live through Xbox 2" meant your Live would work with your XBOX2.
 
UPDATE:

I just spoke to the company involved, a guy called Scot Astor.

He assures me that the survey is real. It's not commissioned by Microsoft however, but by a third-party software company that is producing software for Xbox. He declined to comment on who it is. He said he'd pass on my request to his client. Si if I hear more, I'll let you know.

Feel free to speculate away in the meantime. I'll let you know here either way before I go to bed.
 
Folder said:
UPDATE:

I just spoke to the company involved, a guy called Scot Astor.

He assures me that the survey is real. It's not commissioned by Microsoft however, but by a third-party software company that is producing software for Xbox. He declined to comment on who it is. He said he'd pass on my request to his client. Si if I hear more, I'll let you know.

Feel free to speculate away in the meantime. I'll let you know here either way before I go to bed.

sp0ng confirmation! Huzzah!
 
Folder said:
UPDATE:

I just spoke to the company involved, a guy called Scot Astor.

He assures me that the survey is real. It's not commissioned by Microsoft however, but by a third-party software company that is producing software for Xbox. He declined to comment on who it is. He said he'd pass on my request to his client. Si if I hear more, I'll let you know.

Feel free to speculate away in the meantime. I'll let you know here either way before I go to bed.

Weird.
 
Flo_Evans said:
I wonder how quickly it will go from "BC is not important" to "XBOX360 will dominate because of BC!"

Ha, ha. So true. I, for one, don't really care about BC , especially if it means compromising the desgin in order to achieve it. But, no doubt, it be a hell of a bonus that casuals would really dig.

If it is in there, it would be awful nice to play some game with full AA and better aspect control. Throw in BC support for legacy controllers and the ability to copy over ALL your saves (and I do mean ALL saves, including Steel Battalion and Ninja Gaidan) and I'll be there at launch!
 
BC would be a huge selling point for me with the 360, I never had an XBOX and I really did use it alot with my PS2.

Played a ton of GT2 in anticipation for GT3, played a bit of wipeoutXL to warm up for pure, I never got vagrant story or FF9 for PS1 for some reason so I bought them used and played them... I probably would of used it even more if I hadn't lent out most of my PS1 library to friends never to be seen again.
 
3rdman said:
Ha, ha. So true. I, for one, don't really care about BC , especially if it means compromising the desgin in order to achieve it. But, no doubt, it be a hell of a bonus that casuals would really dig.

If it is in there, it would be awful nice to play some game with full AA and better aspect control. Throw in BC support for legacy controllers and the ability to copy over ALL your saves (and I do mean ALL saves, including Steel Battalion and Ninja Gaidan) and I'll be there at launch!

I'm still playing Halo 2 regularly. If there is no BC, I'll wait at least six months before jumping on the 360. If BC is there, I'll be there at launch. It's a big dea to me.
 
The survey is run by this company: http://gmrg.com
Scot Astor claims he's running it for a thrid-party Xbox softie.
He also claims that Microsoft had approved the whole thing, including the wording.
So make of it what you will. For my money, he's telling the truth.
The third-party never called.
 
Folder said:
The survey is run by this company: http://gmrg.com
Scot Astor claims he's running it for a thrid-party Xbox softie.
He also claims that Microsoft had approved the whole thing, including the wording.
So make of it what you will. For my money, he's telling the truth.
The third-party never called.

Thanks for the update. Now go to bed!
 
GhaleonEB said:
I'm still playing Halo 2 regularly. If there is no BC, I'll wait at least six months before jumping on the 360. If BC is there, I'll be there at launch. It's a big dea to me.

Yep i'll get one on launch if it has BC. My current Xbox is stuffed.
 
It was at this point SPOnG took serious action. The world of Internet news reporting is a strange place. A place where initiative and telephones seemingly donÂ’t exist. Ignoring these norms however, we set about combining the Internet with telephony, all held together with a smattering of initiative. And hereÂ’s what we found out.

Nosing around the site led us to the legend, “This site hosted for Microsoft by Global Market Research Group” hidden away in the notes. Hitting Global Market Research Group’s homepage led us to a contact, going by the name of Scot Astor.

Speaking to Scot Astor was a slightly strange experience. He sounded a little startled, perhaps uneasy. Is the survey currently running commissioned by Microsoft? “I can tell you that yes, yes it is,” asserted Astor. Next question – So the wording in the survey, the language used is all direct form Microsoft? “Yes of course,” we were told, “Microsoft has approved everything, including the wording.”

Right then, things didn’t add up. Why? Well, as we explained to Scot Astor, we showed it to someone close the Xbox project and they said they’d never heard of it, going as far as to call the language used “laughable.” It was at this point that the story changed. “It’s not through Microsoft directly; the survey is commissioned by a third-party software company working directly with Microsoft. And Microsoft has approved the survey in its entirety.” Which of course opened up the question of which third-party?

“I cannot give you that information,” Astor told us. “What I can do is ask the company to contact you directly.” We left contact details, but no-one called.

More: http://news.spong.com/x?art=8628

Fuck knows what's going on. I personally think Astor wasn't telling the whole truth.
 
Some people missed the point here. It is an official survey because it only went to actual, real Xbox Live customers. I am not basing this on somebody posting at Team Xbox but also personal contacts who received the survey. There are enough people who got it to make this straightforward fact.

In Gamespot's latest rumor control this is what the focus of the argument is, resulting in a "not bogus". Now as we all know RC is not exactly gospel, but like I said before, a surprising number of market research surveys like these are a) tacky b) poory worded c) use terms that may not be used habitually by the client itself.

The conversation folder described with the guy behind the marketing agency sounds like exactly what I would expect.

As RC ends its article: "Although Microsoft would not officially comment, the volume of the reports and clarity of the survey's wording make it a near certainty that at least one model of the Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible."

Exciting stuff.
 
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