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[TintoConCasera]

How about just his name? Now you know perfectly well why he won't do that. He knows why he won't do that. We all know why he wouldn't do that.

So pretending that he or anybody else here who is, by default, anonymous is dumb as fuck.

You want to act like you've got massive balls, go and put yourself out into the public realm first and then we can pretend you've got some point to make.

Bro you are talking about being a "public figure" as if that was an illness or a condition no one has control over.

She decided to become a public figure herself. She wasn't able to handle the criticism of those who don't like her and made some comments that got her into even more shit. She's not a victim, she earned all this on her own.

As some say, if you can't take the heat don't step into the kitchen. Simple as that.

PD: and it wouldn't surprise me if all this shit was just a marketing stunt to get people riled up and talk about the game.

 

[Dacvak]

Dammit you beat me by 10 minutes

 

[No BBC=Anger]

Exactly!!!! Which is why what Neil told her was PERFECT! Now she just has to stick to it and everything will be fine.

Narrator: she didn't stick to it and everything was not fine.

 

[DeepEnigma]

all these things that I didn't even actually initially see — I'm out of the social media zeitgeist for that reason — but once I did, Neil was like, 'Ignore it.

So, she doesn't do social media because she knows what a cesspool it is, unlikely to do so, so knew nothing of it. So, she is blissfully unaware of what is happening and living her life. So, Neil decides to stir the pot by showing it to her. Then, he tells her to just ignore it, when she already was. This to me is Neil using her as a stooge to further his cause of 'gamers bad'. Make her paranoid, insecure. I bet he has a weekly intervention to show her the stuff she is missing online. What an utter wanker he is.

 

[yogaflame]

For the me, the character design is negligible, but what is important is the game will not push and force woke agenda especially pertaining to twisted gender ideology agenda like for example binary characters, misuse of pronouns, transgenderism stuffs.

 

[Clear]

Maybe it's due to knowing how Neil likes to gaslight a certain base through his works? It's okay to be critical of that tired circular manipulation.

It's the internet. Everyone gets shit, and sadly there is no way to curb that other than self care. We shit on each other all day long here. Then it all goes away when we close the browser.

Who's getting gaslit? Genuine question.

I'm sorry dude, but if you don't like the guy's work just ignore it. Play/watch something else.

Sorry but here's the deal, to me this is just the old "look at the little bitch eating crackers like she owns the place" meme. When you hate somebody enough, everything they do -no matter how innocuous- becomes a reason for complaint.

I'm never going to validate that. Its silly.

I don't agree with Druckman's politics, but then again I don't have to. I'd like to believe that approach would be reciprocated without prejudice, but to be honest I doubt it given how many people seemed to be trapped in tribal or cultish thinking these days. But that being said, I'm not going to abandon MY principles to play to either side no matter how much it pisses them off.

 

[willothedog]

"Neil's been bootcamp-ing me", bet he has the randy little bugger.

 

[Represent.]

Make product.
Consumers don't like product.
NOOOOO THE HARASSMENT AAAAAAH

She sounds more like a spoiled child rather than an adult.

Are you high? Go look at the comments from the reveal for that game, its clearly harassment. There's a difference between not liking a game vs harassing the actor and everyone involved. Use your thinking skills

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

If it's real harassment, there are laws for it. So make a complaint in the police.
But he probably considers any criticism of his work as harassment. And he knows it's not real harassment, but he still wants to play his victim card, just to pretend his work is perfect and immune to any criticism.

Seems like the woke retards have been doing this forever.

Make something you know is going to be met with disgust by a certain part of your audience, go out of your way to antagonize those who don't like it, act all shocked and victimized when you get lots of backlash in return, then use that backlash as a way to gain more publicity.

All part of their marketing strategy. It's so tiresome.

 

[SlimySnake]

Gamers are dumb. it's not the actresses fault. it's Neil's and his retarded group of character artists who insist on making characters look ugly as fuck. if you want to harrass someone, harrass druckmann.

Just ten years ago, their lead character artist defended the chest hair and sex appeal of Drake's character model because in her opinion, the protagonists has to be attractive.

Something has changed over at ND and in gaming in general over the last ten years, where female characters are made ugly on purpose despite their reallife counterparts being hired for their looks. What bothers me is that the same rules dont apply for male characters who are either 1:1 with their male leads, have male model features, and are allowed to be attractive.

 

[SHAKEZ]

Naughty Dog need not to worry, I couldn't care less about this new game.

 

[SolarFry]

This Druckmann dude has weird fetishes.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Are you high? Go look at the comments from the reveal for that game, its clearly harassment. There's a difference between not liking a game vs harassing the actor and everyone involved. Use your thinking skills

Is someone putting a gun to her head and making her read these comments?

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

I agree in the fact that she shouldn't be giving people ammunition to hate on her but at the same time she's correct in that both her character and ciri were hated on immediately when both of them were revealed. The Witcher 4 trailer had people calling ciri ugly and saying CD Projekt Red toned her looks down etc and people were absolutely shitting all over intergalactics character when it came out to the point that X was full of posts just railing on both of them.

Because Ciri was extremely liked and beloved by everyone in W3 and nobody would bet an eye if she was the main protagonist in W4. Its like you only read 10% of the actual post and still dont get where the hate comes from. Ripley from Aliens was bald, Demi Moore was bald in one of her movies, nobody had hate over it. But when its coming from a studio or higher ups that are known to do this for an agenda, then its a whole different ball game. What happened with Buzz Lightyear? Its not that people are homphobic its the fact that you are making my childhood cartoon toy into a homosexual for no reason except one. They deserve all the clowning they get.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Are you high? Go look at the comments from the reveal for that game, its clearly harassment. There's a difference between not liking a game vs harassing the actor and everyone involved. Use your thinking skills

Dude, both her and Neil are adults. They know very well what they were doing with that character design. Don't forget that the trailer had the comments disabled from the get go.

I don't defend harassing people online, but I think people have all the right in the world to complain about the products that are being sold to them.

Sure some retards might have actually harassed her, but imo she kinda deserves it for engaging with them instead of ignoring them in the first place.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Who's getting gaslit? Genuine question.

I'm sorry dude, but if you don't like the guy's work just ignore it. Play/watch something else.

Sorry but here's the deal, to me this is just the old "look at the little bitch eating crackers like she owns the place" meme. When you hate somebody enough, everything they do -no matter how innocuous- becomes a reason for complaint.

I'm never going to validate that. Its silly.

I don't agree with Druckman's politics, but then again I don't have to. I'd like to believe that approach would be reciprocated without prejudice, but to be honest I doubt it given how many people seemed to be trapped in tribal or cultish thinking these days. But that being said, I'm not going to abandon MY principles to play to either side no matter how much it pisses them off.

He takes to social media himself and partakes in the gaslighting from time to time. He did around the time of TLoU2, and after reading this article, and this post highlighting something odd below where he was putting it in her face. He seems to relish in it.

And where did I say I did not enjoy his work? We are not allowed to criticize? Nobody is infallible or impervious to scrutiny or critique.

all these things that I didn't even actually initially see — I'm out of the social media zeitgeist for that reason — but once I did, Neil was like, 'Ignore it.

So, she doesn't do social media because she knows what a cesspool it is, unlikely to do so, so knew nothing of it. So, she is blissfully unaware of what is happening and living her life. So, Neil decides to stir the pot by showing it to her. Then, he tells her to just ignore it, when she already was. This to me is Neil using her as a stooge to further his cause of 'gamers bad'. Make her paranoid, insecure. I bet he has a weekly intervention to show her the stuff she is missing online. What an utter wanker he is.

 

[Kilau]

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

 

[Loboxxx]

Just seeing how brutal people are with the TLOU series, and especially with its main character, it's no surprise they're trying to protect their actors.
It's messed up, because ND is without a doubt one of the few companies that has managed to handle feminism and inclusion with total naturalness.

 

[PeteBull]

Harassing a woman on social media because she's bald is pathetic tbh. And why is it ok for a man to be bald in games but not a woman? We don't know even know how the story is going to unfold either so hating on an actress before it even comes out is insane.

Will Smith is that u, bro, how is jada's new boyfriend?

Pr0tip for my fellow gaffers- never simp for a hoor or u end up as a worldwide laughing stock even if u are top 0,001% man in wealth/status/fame

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

For the me, the character design is negligible, but what is important is the game will not push and force woke agenda especially pertaining to twisted gender ideology agenda like for example binary characters, misuse of pronouns, transgenderism stuffs.

Amen

As long as they don't insert those sick twisted hurricane twisting tornado woke twisted twister shit than it's acceptable for me. Since I'm sure we could change her hair style or at least wear armor or got mods for that. Plus if the game does the 80s verse like style and theme throughout the game really well than it could get a big pass for me as the 80s had the coolest themes, style, and movies etc.

Gamers are dumb. it's not the actresses fault. it's Neil's and his retarded group of character artists who insist on making characters look ugly as fuck. if you want to harrass someone, harrass druckmann.

Just ten years ago, their lead character artist defended the chest hair and sex appeal of Drake's character model because in her opinion, the protagonists has to be attractive.

Something has changed over at ND and in gaming in general over the last ten years, where female characters are made ugly on purpose despite their reallife counterparts being hired for their looks. What bothers me is that the same rules dont apply for male characters who are either 1:1 with their male leads, have male model features, and are allowed to be attractive.

Their real life versions are awesome! I'll rather prefer games either make the game version even better or stick with the real life version.

 

[Represent.]

Is someone putting a gun to her head and making her read these comments?

You're telling me that if you were hired as the Lead on a brand-new game from a world-renowned studio, a game people have been waiting to see revealed for half a decade... you wouldn't read the comments? Be serious.

 

[viveks86]

Yay. One more thread where I can say that JORDAN IS HOTTT!

That's good advise, so props to Neil. Move on, grow a thicker skin, ignore the haters and make a good game that some of us who don't give a shit about any of this nonsense can enjoy.

 

[TintoConCasera]

I wonder about what other people consider harassment nowadays.

Because if someone told me everyday to kill myself then yeah, that'd be harassment. But if some dude went and told me I have an ugly mug then I'd probably just laugh it off or close the browser tab.

 

[Clear]

He takes to social media himself and partakes in the gaslighting from time to time. He did around the time of TLoU2, and after reading this article, and this post highlighting something odd below where he was putting it in her face. He seems to relish in it.

Honestly, I just don't see it myself.

And where did I say I did not enjoy his work? We are not allowed to criticize? Nobody is infallible or impervious to scrutiny or critique.

Of course you're allowed to criticize, but in this specific context where a "controversial" lead creative is forewarning his collaborators that they are probably gonna have to deal with a lot of online stick because of their association with him and his work... Is that supposed to be bad?

 

[Neff]

Joel got what he deserved just so you all know

 

[OmegaSupreme]

You're telling me that if you were hired as the Lead on a brand-new game from a world-renowned studio, a game people have been waiting to see revealed for half a decade... you wouldn't read the comments? Be serious.

Nope. Would you or are you smart enough to know what goes on with comments online? Be serious.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Honestly, I just don't see it myself.



Of course you're allowed to criticize, but in this specific context where a "controversial" lead creative is forewarning his collaborators that they are probably gonna have to deal with a lot of online stick because of their association with him and his work... Is that supposed to be bad?

I never said it was bad. At all.

In fact, him forewarning, tells us everything we need to know with his style of work. And he knows what he invites.

Which, of course, was virtually non-existent before the great shake up with Amy Hennig. And how this forum and many others danced around her employment grave and made jokes and memes about Neil getting her gone.

The worst argument we had prior to all of this, was if Nathan Drake was a psychopath mass murdering thief, or not.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

I wonder about what other people consider harassment nowadays.

Because if someone told me everyday to kill myself then yeah, that'd be harassment. But if some dude went and told me I have an ugly mug then I'd probably just laugh it off or close the browser tab.

Because everything is harassment these days. I dont like fat chicks = fatphobic. I dont like if theres a scene with 2 dudes kissing for too long = homophobic. I dont like kiwi = foodphobic. What happened with people having their own opinions and tastes. If a fat chick approached me at a bar and asked me why i wasnt into her, Id tell her its because she is a fat sausage and I have standards where I put my boy in. I dont need to politely explain and walk around the bush for 10 minutes trying to justify WHY I dont find something interesting or attractive. Especially if you are paying money for a product, you have every right to say if its not what you wanted. But the mob is gonna call it harassment either way.

 

[longrainwater]

Resetera has switched their thread to be about Neil Druckmann, and how he is bad for criticizing Hamas ("both-sidesing")

Meanwhile, most of them support communism, one of the most bloodthirsty and ruthless ideologies in the history of humanity.

 

[Bond007]

Valid
Shes been involved in alot of Naught dog stuff i noticed too. Uncharted movie, Last of Us show and game , Intergalactic. She should be well versed in the stupidity.

 

[PeteBull]

How FUCKING dare she stick up for herself.

It called alienating ur products consumer base, there was never a time devs/actress told gamers to not buy their games/called them names etc and game sold well, stud blasian baldie sim wont be any differnt

 

[viveks86]

Who's getting gaslit? Genuine question.

 

[PeteBull]

"Neil's been bootcamp-ing me", bet he has the randy little bugger.

Those celebs are so pampered to that they call a simple convo a boot camp, srsly WTF

 

[ProtoByte]

it's not the actresses fault. it's Neil's and his retarded group of character artists who insist on making characters look ugly as fuck.

It's like they handcrafted something entirely to piss off "the right people". Why Sony hasn't come in and said "No Neil, you will not spend 7 years to put out a game with a bald woman on the cover. You cut the sales of the sequel to a hit new IP in half." is really beyond me.

It'll be interesting to see how much cache he does or doesn't have at Sony as the performance of TLOU season 2 develops.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Obligatory,

Holy shit, was that actually real?

If so

 

[Illyria]

Yea I think I'm out on future ND games unless the gameplay in TLOU Part 3 is top of the line & story is mostly good.

These guys got so mad that people criticize their creation, they get leakers banned, get critical videos taken down, & pull these stunts. Maybe Neil, the reason Part 2 sold 10million vs. 30 million for Part 1(per leaks of sales) is not people talking about it or criticizing it or memeing it, but the writing. Let's see how S2 does vs. S1.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Holy shit, was that actually real?

If so

Yes. The top image caricatures were real, put out by them.

The bottom caricatures accurately redrew them to the critique they always carried about female character representations in gaming.

 

[Arsic]

Ultimately the tide of what people will swallow up and eat shit stew for is limited.

Druckman and naughty dog have already burned most of their good faith from the fanbase and gamers at large.

So, this game will get even more scrutiny than most because of that.

Could it be a good game? Sure. But it has to avoid the pit falls we suspect it will do:
-Preach woman power
-White men evil
-LGBTBBQ horse shit
-Terrible story and or characters based off last of us 2

If this happens it'll be lambasted for it and wrote off like veilguard.

As for the social media abuse- don't hate the actors. Hate the retards who make these casting decisions AKA Neil.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

I agree, but in this case she decided to join the party herself:



Imo an actual adult would have known that the best possible action against internet retards is ignoring. Instead she decided to take it on the incels but now she decides to play the victim? Boo hoo. Sorry but I have no sympathies towards this kind of people, she can cry all that she wants.

An adult reaction is for people to not actually be retards. Her defending herself isn't the retarded move, come on now.

 

[Topher]

You're leaving out lots of context.

I'm pretty sure this is the one that went and made posts talking shit to people and gaslighting them online which invited the blowback.

You don't get to play the victim when you partake in the mudslinging.

Intergalactic Lead Responds To Backlash, "You Mad Bro?"

Lead actor Tati Gabrielle took to Instagram to shut the backlash down, sharing fan art of Jordan and Ciri drinking "Fragile Masculini-Tea".

www.thegamer.com

Yeah.....that was pathetic. Hopefully Neil's "coaching" will avoid shit like in the future.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yeah.....that was pathetic. Hopefully Neil's "coaching" will avoid shit like in the future.

 

[Darkskill]

It seems most people don't like the design/attitude of her character. I remember Infamous 2 got a ton of backlash for the new main character design, so they changed it back to the original guy from the first game
Even Sonic was redesigned for the Sonic movie, because people hated the way he looked in the first trailer. I'm sure there are many other examples of changes being made to movies and games due to fan reaction.

But uh, we can't criticize the design when it comes people of certain colors and genders. Because they can't take it, so they twist it to always end up at sexism and racism. All other valid critiques are thrown out the window. It's unfortunate.

 

[TintoConCasera]

An adult reaction is for people to not actually be retards. Her defending herself isn't the retarded move, come on now.

As I already said in another post: defending yourself is fine, but putting yourself at the very same level of those you despise is not so fine.

She got insulted, she insulted back and now she cries about it.

 

[Matsuchezz]

Yes, here on gaf there are a bunch of assholes talking about other people as if they have met them in person and discuss with them on a daily basis. Twitter is as toxic af.

People on the internet is usually mea,
The anonymity of internet allows people
To behave like little whinny bitches and bitter sons of bitches.

 

[Portugeezer]

"all these things that I didn't even actually initially see — I'm out of the social media zeitgeist for that reason — but once I did"

Looks like somebody was right!

 

[Represent.]

Nope.

Yea right.

its human nature to want to see the comments/reaction to your first ever lead role in a video game. you would read them and you know it.

 

[Moses85]

 

[realcool]

all these things that I didn't even actually initially see — I'm out of the social media zeitgeist for that reason — but once I did, Neil was like, 'Ignore it.

So, she doesn't do social media because she knows what a cesspool it is, unlikely to do so, so knew nothing of it. So, she is blissfully unaware of what is happening and living her life. Then, Neil decides to stir the pot by showing it to her. Then, he tells her to just ignore it, when she already was. This to me is Neil using her as a stooge to further his cause of 'gamers bad'. Make her paranoid, insecure. I bet he has a weekly intervention to show her the stuff she is missing online. What an utter wanker he is.

Neil's "bootcamp":

Spoiler

 

[Chuck Berry]

We desperately need this day added to the calendar

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

- "Hey chuds! this is the new face of gaming! And guess what, you are not in it! Go away now and leave us get all the rewards and commendations because we totally deserve it.

By the way, it is $100 bucks now"

- "Uh... this lucks ugly and pretentious as fuck. Probably full of millennial writing and not even a good face to see. Lol, i pass"

- "HOW DARE YOU!"

I love how all this drama is just to try to get some attention into the game and play a victim. I have seriously not seen anyone talk recently about the game, except Sony and Naughty Dog fanbois keep talking like this will be the next DooM and it would change gaming forever.


One of the best things about the current melt down of "HBO present The Last Of Us again", is that people are seeing Drunkman as the hack he is. People that dont eat the "Out for sale awards" and game reviewers that wanted to look like high intelligence individuals with a clear taste like the rest, are now finding how awful Part 2 is and how all its praise was undeserved.