peek
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This x100
If people don't like it, fuck em, ppl can shit on the game, the character designs, vibe of the game, all of it. Stop making weird lookin characters people don't want that.
Intergalactic actor reveals Neil Druckmann’s coaching on overcoming online harassment
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This x100
If people don't like it, fuck em, ppl can shit on the game, the character designs, vibe of the game, all of it. Stop making weird lookin characters people don't want that.
TerribleAtThisGame
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This has to be Sarper from 90 Day Fiance's secret GAF account.
peish
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Modern woman with modern feminism for the modern audiences
Put up badass posts -> invite controversy chatters -> put up victim act -> invite more controversy chatters
Exhausting the same methods to stay in the limelight
Hudo
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I think the protagonist being female isn't even the issue. I mean, Samus Aran is dope as fuck. But the difference is that Samus is likeable and attractive. The protagonist of Intergalactic is neither (that's how she came across to me in the trailer, at least). And even though my sample size is limited, the women I talked to prefer to play as an attractive female character in a video game.
And the protagonist being unlikable and unattractive is not the fault of the actress but Druckmann's. And that is not an "accident" either, since Abby is also an unlikable and unattractive protagonist created by Druckmann.
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Loxus
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Let be honest here and this goes to all of NeoGAF as well.
This hate for Neil Druckmann isn't about him creating unlikable and unattractive protagonist. There are far more unlikable and unattractive women in real life that plenty of men fall in love with.
This shit is all about Joel. He's a god damn fictional character, fucking get over it, it's been years now.
John Marston and Arthur Morgan was way more hurtful than Joel, but let me guess, it's because it's Rockstar.
Braag
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I highly doubt it. Just like with Star Wars Outlaws, people were begging to be able to change the hairstyle. Ubisoft was on thin ice financially and still decided not to give players what they wanted even when the game under performed massively.
She's actually a hot baddie with hair, no need to even change the face unlike Fable, Taash, or Abby etc. So if they allow hair styles and outfit than you can easily make her great looking and cool.
If there's an aspect that people online don't like about a female character, you can be sure that the devs will double down on it.
PeteBull
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Nope, im just not indoctrinated by woke/feminist agenda like a lot of ppl in the west, every1 knew basic biology in the 90s, now 35years later suddenly its a magical elusive knowledge no1 got access to and instead are told to believe into secular religion 2.0 where no1 can define what is a woman
Nowadays black comedians tell the truth no1 else dares to say in the west and ppl laugh, u know why they laugh? Coz its funny, its funny coz its true
BlackTron
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I think that Neil is fully aware of the gaslighting he is pulling with his games and is happy with the discourse it sparks around them. In a no such thing as bad press type of way.
This behavior is bad for the world at large. His "artistic vision" is little more than a cover for using societal issues to his "advantage" while inflaming them. His tank is refilled seeing people mad at his game. It was made for that purpose.
An artist asks "what is inside of me that I want to express". He asks "what is inside of everybody else that I can exploit". That's why "subverting expectation" movies are dogshit.
This behavior is bad for the world at large. His "artistic vision" is little more than a cover for using societal issues to his "advantage" while inflaming them. His tank is refilled seeing people mad at his game. It was made for that purpose.
An artist asks "what is inside of me that I want to express". He asks "what is inside of everybody else that I can exploit". That's why "subverting expectation" movies are dogshit.
PeteBull
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So remind me, we talking about new ND game, where its supposed to sell, modern day worldwide civilised nations, or to some native african tribes who do trades using livestock? Coz if its not the latter that ugly protag is doing terrible job for game's sales
Edit: Lets check how is the beauty standard among the world, including black queens from uganda, zimbabwe, ecuador , all of the top20 have long or at least not short hair, even chick who has shorter haircut/stylisation has them actually long but just folded so they appear short.
Beauty standards are not to any1 surprise quite similar across the world
Meanwhile in progressive west we got miss alabama 2024 looking that way:
Dat resilance tho, funny thing is, she knows the basic truth- men love women with long hair, so despite her overall look she still has long hair, unlike that blasian baldie cuckman jerks off to
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Hudo
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Nah, the Joel thing did not piss me off. Even though it was set up in a clumsy way, imho. I just think that Druckmann is a mediocre writer at best and is not really interested in designing for video games and that weighs on the type of game ND is doing since the PS3 era: Narrative third-person action game. TLoU1 and U4 turning out as good as they were was most likely because Bruce Straley kept him "in check". TLoU2 has better gameplay (movement feels tighter, proning and using silencers were cool additions) but it's being weighed down by clumsy pacing/structure, the cheap use of gore in an attempt to create "shock" and how player agency is taken away at certainy points, especially at the ending, where it would've been the perfect opportunity to let the player decide and show him the "hollowness" of revenge. That's my problem with Druckmann. The structure and pacing of ND's games is heavily reliant on the writing and how the story is told. And Druckmann can't tell and pace a story for shit, imho. Especially for a video game. At least judging by TLoU2. Maybe Intergalactic will be awesome, who knows. From what I have seen so far, I am not sold.
Cakeboxer
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Of course he is, that's why he even put the head shaving into the trailer. He gets his attention, but is it really good for the game? I think quite a few people won't buy the game, because they hate the main character.
He can afford it, because Sony gives him endless budget and invests massively into marketing. I can guarantee you one thing: If it was his own money, he wouldn't pull that shit.
Hypereides
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Speaking off her in-game model appearance, the public response might've been more muted or positive if ND/Neil had gone for a very short pixie haircut look on Tati instead to enhance her feminine features with a slight tomboy-ish undertone imo. Kinda like this going by her Instagram pics:
It would've looked more flattering on her I suppose. Wouldn't change the initial impression of her character's anti-charisma attitude though. But, I guess Neil may be out to take another stand or whatever.
It would've looked more flattering on her I suppose. Wouldn't change the initial impression of her character's anti-charisma attitude though. But, I guess Neil may be out to take another stand or whatever.
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BlackTron
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Indeed. The point is, it's not "wrong" to have a shaved head woman character. Point is, it was never a creative vision. It was always a stunt postured to fuel a culture war. How can we tell the difference? Not hard if you aren't trying to actively lobotomize yourself. I raised this point some months ago comparing past minority characters to new ones. For some reason no one cared about the old examples. It starts with the intention when they sit down to design everything. We know.
BlackTron
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Speaking off her in-game model apperance, the public response might've been more muted or positive if ND/Neil had gone for a very short pixie haircut look on Tati instead to enhance her feminine features with a slight tomboy-ish undertone imo. kinda like this going by her Instagram pics:
It would've looked more flattering on her I suppose. Wouldn't change the initial impression of her character's anti-charisma attitude though. But, I guess Neil may be out to take another stand or whatever.
That would have been too much hair for Neil. It may have muted the backlash. Big mistake in his eyes.
Silver Wattle
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I can't wait for another druckman flop, fuck him and any game he is involved in.
Stolen valor developer.
Stolen valor developer.
GymWolf
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Females are better skaters than males?
geary
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GymWolf
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Jason rubin was responsible for crash if i remember well.
GymWolf
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Nopes, they just look more sexy coz obviously they are women but in terms of any physical stuff men still are superior
Mentaly too most men are superior, we are equipped by our biology/nature to fuck up another male/enemy and even kill him mercilessly, then go around our day like nothing happened/go back to our family, for women thats trauma experience she will have to go tru therapy to overcome, and even then most likely she will still be on all kinds of meds to keep her stable
Difficulties we overcome makes us more masculine, more masculine men are more attractive, but traumatised aka more masculine women are far less attractive, it was always like that for tens of tousands of years and even a hundred years of feminism wont change the natural way humans think and behave
Its visible everywhere, even in our dating strategy, if u arent some giga chad but more on an avg side(aka not 1% but in that top20-30%, still above avg but in most modern women's eyes u are barely good enough at best sometimes) u still had to aproach(and hear getting refused) few k different women to reach measly double digit bodycount- no chick is mentally strong enough to survive that, they almost never aproach men for this very reason- fear of rejection. Ofc sometimes u are destined to lose either way like this guy here:
Now if u are a chick and i dont mean beautiful one, but some ugly fatso- u make tinder account and can fuck new guy every day for a year w/o even trying, that is why being a slut is shamed- coz its super ez to do, while being a playboy/player is respected- coz its fucking hard to achieve.
Lmao after hearing her age dude runned away like that video with the husky waking up the pig
Orbital2060
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Exactly. If only it were for some actual provocative art. And not this woke virtue signalling. Its cringe and exploitative.
Neff
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Tati Gabrielle is a great-looking woman, but it does feel like bald + tattoos is trying too hard at challenging traditional conventions of beauty, something which is very in vogue with Druckmann's left-leaning chums. Thing is, the dalliance with challenging conventions is over, and western civilisation is very much coming back to traditional conventions, very fast. Sex sells and you're really going to be fighting an uphill battle if you don't put attractive people/characters in your media projects going forward, even though this game has been in the oven for a long time.
Still looking forward to it.
Herbspiceguy
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This victim mentality leading to doubling down on ignoring consumer criticism is one of the main issues of AAA+ western studios.
Hypereides
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I feel like Neil may have gotten a bit too overconfident about his vision and way out of synch with the majority of gamers out there. At this point, I think most would probably just prefer if he toned it down a notch with his "provocative artistry" - which he just seems to pull for the sake of it.
I'm honestly more worried what this means for ND. The studio's creative direction and culture is like night and day between what it was in the hayday up to the early 2010's and after the dramatic direction it has taken under Neil's influence and leadership. I'm just relieved that its been suggested that SIE's portfolio control has spun back to Japan. He should feel a bit more pressure to perform atm.
Can't say I disagree. Still wouldn't mind seeing her bare the short hair look though. It can work in a retro-futuristic Sci-Fi setting.She actually pretty attractive when she has long hair...
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Poppinfresh
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And now there are a ton of free mods that allow you to change every aspect of the main character's appearance.
Nature finds a way.
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FrankWza
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Alien 3 too. Even further back. And that was finchers idea.
Putonahappyface
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Especially with no facial piercings!She actually pretty attractive when she has long hair...
Poppinfresh
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Facial piercings (unless it's something like an unobtrusive stud in the nose) are always a huge warning sign.
Putonahappyface
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Facial piercings have always made me feel physically nauseous, to the point that I can't keep eye contact.
Poppinfresh
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Same.Facial piercings have always made me feel physically nauseous, to the point that I can't keep eye contact.
Those huge gauges in people's ears are even worse, and facial tattoos are worse still.
PeteBull
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This meme exist for a reason:Facial piercings have always made me feel physically nauseous, to the point that I can't keep eye contact.
And this one, since we can happily ad tatoos on women to that mix too:
I mean srsly, many modern women dont realise us guys arent looking for ms-13 gang member to make her our girlfriend
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Angry_Megalodon
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Even more surprising that an egomaniac creator believes himself transgresor for doing something that actually great creators did regularly half a century ago without so much noise.
Great Auk
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No, I assumed no such thing. You are finding people that don't fit the general consensus to disprove the prevailing belief among men going back thousands of years spanning many different cultures.
Some men don't find women sexually attractive to begin with. Now what?
How do you explain gay men if ALL MEN going back 300,000 years have to have had the same sexual preferences in order for them to be valid?
And this isn't even about long hair or short hair actually. This is about hair vs BALD.
Hypereides
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Review scores by the "gaming journalists" aren't a credible source either. What now.
Btw, get over yourself and drop the "years of experience" act. You aren't the foreman for everyone's opinion about games. People are entitled to have their own subjective view on a game.
CJ_75
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Riiiight, looks like Druckmann is the one who have issues.
Great Auk
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Interesting that you brought up Alien 3. She had to shave her head because she was in a penal colony, there was a lice infestation, and the place was full of brutal rapists and murderers and so she shaved her head to better blend in with the men.
PeteBull
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Exactly, u can find all kinds of degenerate preferences, hell some men are actual cucks( Neil Cuckman tm) who get arroused by watching his gf/wife getting fucked by strangers/other men, overwhelming majority of men find it disgusting tho, same like bald head on a woman
Ofc women can do w/e they want with their hair, just dont complain ur score drops from 7-8 to a 3-4, men are allowed to have their own preferences, no1 blames women for liking tall fit manly men who are charismatic, funny, competent, well off etc, its women's preference.
We understand how real world works, no woman "loves u for u", same way us guys have preferences too, hell our preferences are actually quite simple- dont be a hoe, dont be fat, dont be a yapper, be obedient and bring peace- no income/education/status/height and other requirements like all women have, men and women simply are not the same, we look at opposite things
Success
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Show me review threads on GAF where User Reviews are given more weight than Critic reviews.
This is NeoGAF.
Here we take critic reviews as a credible source.
Unless, you are part of the loud minority I was talking about earlier.
Hypereides
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Dude... I have no words. I can't take your language seriously. I'll leave you to your own devices.
Cakeboxer
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Let me educate you: You have 1000% more experience.
BlackTron
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Exactly, u can find all kinds of degenerate preferences, hell some men are actual cucks( Neil Cuckman tm) who get arroused by watching his gf/wife getting fucked by strangers/other men, overwhelming majority of men find it disgusting tho, same like bald head on a woman
Ofc women can do w/e they want with their hair, just dont complain ur score drops from 7-8 to a 3-4, men are allowed to have their own preferences, no1 blames women for liking tall fit manly men who are charismatic, funny, competent, well off etc, its women's preference.
We understand how real world works, no woman "loves u for u", same way us guys have preferences too, hell our preferences are actually quite simple- dont be a hoe, dont be fat, dont be a yapper, be obedient and bring peace- no income/education/status/height and other requirements like all women have, men and women simply are not the same, we look at opposite things
Yep, no problem with a variety of preferences and styles. But it's not "the law" that the entire world be into your assigned take lest something be wrong with them.
Gaslighting with these stunts sparked the overly-my-way types on the other side to get pissy, which is what they want. So they can group the entire "other side" together with examples of crude extra-right assholes to prove how much more morally virtuous they are than them.
The whole thing just spirals down into a giant fucking joke fast.
Success
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You have no words because you were proven wrong and the cognitive dissonance is too much for you to bear. Only the minority of the minority of GAF users put user reviews as a more credible source than critic reviews.
This is the second time a 1 Year of Service person is trying to do a snarky drive by post.
Cakeboxer
, this exposes your inexperience here.
Cakeboxer
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Buddy, i'm just giving you much more experience!You have no words because you were proven wrong and the cognitive dissonance is too much for you to bear. Only the minority of the minority of GAF users put user reviews as a more credible source than critic reviews.
This is the second time a 1 Year of Service person is trying to do a snarky drive by post.
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PeteBull
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We talking majority, if woman cuts her hair bald, her rating drops by a lot to majority of men, aka she gets less beatiful/more ugly, its simple as that, and yeh there is few % of men who like their women with bald hair, like will smith, that doesnt change the truth, that huge majority of men will find her less attractive, and by a lot.
Simping for bald hoes can make whole world laught at u tho, even if u are top 0,00001% like will smith
BlackTron
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We talking majority, if woman cuts her hair bald, her rating drops by a lot to majority of men, aka she gets less beatiful/more ugly, its simple as that, and yeh there is few % of men who like their women with bald hair, like will smith, that doesnt change the truth, that huge majority of men will find her less attractive, and by a lot.
Simping for bald hoes can make whole world laught at u tho, even if u are top 0,00001% like will smith
Your statements are true but I don't see how they relate to my post, so I worry that its meaning didn't get across.
PeteBull
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Just be straight with me, bro, i have no clue what u are on about, not a native english speaker here, wanna make a point then make a point in a simple way w/o pretending to be a Harward University professor, its not rainbow forum so mods wont censor the shit out of u anyways