Intergalactic actor reveals Neil Druckmann’s coaching on overcoming online harassment

DeepEnigma said:
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Yo uce, one of my friends saw me on GAF over my shoulder and asks if you have a source for this one.
 
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DeepEnigma said:
You're leaving out lots of context.

I'm pretty sure this is the one that went and made posts talking shit to people and gaslighting them online which invited the blowback.

You don't get to play the victim when you partake in the mudslinging.

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Intergalactic Lead Responds To Backlash, "You Mad Bro?"

Lead actor Tati Gabrielle took to Instagram to shut the backlash down, sharing fan art of Jordan and Ciri drinking "Fragile Masculini-Tea".
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Will not be buying this game.
She/they can F off!
 
PeteBull said:
Nopes, most males hate playing as abby, hate joel getting golf club pass and hate tons other shit that promotes stupid and untrue agenda of men and women being equal, we as men know best women and men arent equal at all, both physically and mentally.
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You're joking right? lol
 
PeteBull said:
Nopes, most males hate playing as abby, hate joel getting golf club pass and hate tons other shit that promotes stupid and untrue agenda of men and women being equal, we as men know best women and men arent equal at all, both physically and mentally.
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Wouldn't be sure about that - knowing the average gamer male, plenty of women would beat the hell out of them. Mentally and physically. An average gamer male is very opposite of the stereotypical macho male. I think gamer males sometimes just wanna compensate and make themselves feel better
 
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viveks86 said:
If you vow to never have Pepsi, yes?

But then you are canceling them for a valid reason. A voice actor's personal opinion is not a valid reason as it says nothing about the game itself, let alone other games. Tarantino has very specific political opinions that many here will despise. If you refuse to watch his movies because of his personal opinions, it's a terrible reason to cancel. If you don't like his movies and have decided to not bother watching any more in the future, it's a valid reason. One is idiocracy and the other isn't.
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Canceling is when you try to get someone fired/de-platformed/de-funded/whatever.

If you started tweeting at Sony, game retailers, platform holders, etc in attempt to get the game canceled, de-listed, get its funding pulled, get Naughty Dog employees fired, etc then you would be guilty of canceling.

You're allowed to buy or not buy any product you want for whatever reason you want. That's not cancel culture. And YOU don't get to tell other people what games they ought to buy or not buy. Don't be ridiculous.
 
BigBeauford said:
If we are counting the last 5 years, what is the status quo? Heaven forbid someone creating a product for an existing audience they actually enjoy. Does Vogue need to dedicate a quarter of their magazine to sports?
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Since you only have 10 years of service on GAF, let me educate you.

The Last of Us Part II: 93 Metacritic Score = Universal Acclaim

You are one of the loud minority GAF users I was talking about.
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
Canceling is when you try to get someone fired/de-platformed/de-funded/whatever.

If you started tweeting at Sony, game retailers, platform holders, etc in attempt to get the game canceled, de-listed, get its funding pulled, get Naughty Dog employees fired, etc then you would be guilty of canceling.

You're allowed to buy or not buy any product you want for whatever reason you want. That's not cancel culture. And YOU don't get to tell other people what games they ought to buy or not buy. Don't be ridiculous.
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FullMetalx117 said:
Wouldn't be sure about that - knowing the average gamer male, plenty of women would beat the hell out of them. Mentally and physically. An average gamer male is very opposite of the stereotypical macho male. I think gamer males sometimes just wanna compensate and make themselves feel better
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Nope bro, even ur avg gaming bro, aka 140lbs skinny af or 300- 400lbs fatass will easily fuck up 2 avg women at the same time, avg adult healthy woman is weaker from a freshman highschool kid, thats how weak most of them(not 100%, lets say over 90%, likely 95%+) are - its just biology, women had to be nerfed to be able to give birth, whole bone structure/hormones are changed and a lot, while us, guys are made for fighting/protecting, even when we are weak af compared to strongest elite athletes :)

Those werent 3 avg women, those were 3 trained police women equipped with gear, and they had a help of a man, still 0 effect vs a guy who was wild, but not a pr0 athlete :D
 
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FullMetalx117 said:
Wouldn't be sure about that - knowing the average gamer male, plenty of women would beat the hell out of them. Mentally and physically. An average gamer male is very opposite of the stereotypical macho male. I think gamer males sometimes just wanna compensate and make themselves feel better
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Oh yeah, I'll bite. What does this mean, and where's the data?

Gaming is so mainstream, now lets keep that factor in mind while collating the data.
 
PeteBull said:
Nope bro, even ur avg gaming bro, aka 140lbs skinny af or 300- 400lbs fatass will easily fuck up 2 avg women at the same time, avg adult healthy woman is weaker from a freshman highschool kid, thats how weak most of them(not 100%, lets say over 90%, likely 95%+) are - its just biology, women had to be nerfed to be able to give birth, whole bone structure/hormones are changed and a lot, while us, guys are made for fighting/protecting, even when we are weak af compared to strongest elite athletes :)

Those werent 3 avg women, those were 3 trained police women equipped with gear, and they had a help of a man, still 0 effect vs a guy who was wild, but not a pr0 athlete :D
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This is what happens when a sexy ass woman in white panties beats an alien, my friend. You actually have people out there that think men and women are equals in strength, mobility, etc.

As a stated fact, I have never in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program "MCMAP", seen a woman take down a man in real life, when we are fighting during our training portions. Not once over 16 years did I see it.

Men and women are not the same and a woman's physiology cannot sustain the substantial escalation of violence and force multipliers men have.

You can take average men and put them against Olympic trained women and it will be close or the average Joes will win.

Fuck you again, Sigourney Weaver and your fine ass.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr said:
Canceling is when you try to get someone fired/de-platformed/de-funded/whatever.

If you started tweeting at Sony, game retailers, platform holders, etc in attempt to get the game canceled, de-listed, get its funding pulled, get Naughty Dog employees fired, etc then you would be guilty of canceling.

You're allowed to buy or not buy any product you want for whatever reason you want. That's not cancel culture. And YOU don't get to tell other people what games they ought to buy or not buy. Don't be ridiculous.
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I was neither referring to cancel culture nor telling what game to buy or not buy. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "cancel". I was merely using the word to mean "I will not purchase anything from X". Sorry :)
 
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
What's so ironic about this is that when people were throwing a hissy fit about her character and design, she posted a shitty meme trying to own the chuds and rightly got raked over the coals for it.

Now Neil Druckman is coaching her to basically respond to online hate the exact way she should have done in the first place, i.e. ignore it and focus on winning people over by giving your career's best performance in creating a character that really endears people, and many here are coming in and still trying to use this as an excuse to shit on Druckman.

FFS, Druckman is totally right!!! Both he and his studio are working hard on making this next game one of the best games they've ever made. He doesn't want his team's hard work flushed down the crapper because some ideologue activist voice actress can't help herself on Twitter.
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Yeah, I'm reminded of that art director dude from Obsidian who hated Elon Musk enough to do damage to the game the studio was working on. I'm sure the rest of the team sincerely wished he'd just stayed quiet since they wanted to keep their jobs and ship a successful game.
 
PeteBull said:
Nope bro, even ur avg gaming bro, aka 140lbs skinny af or 300- 400lbs fatass will easily fuck up 2 avg women at the same time, avg adult healthy woman is weaker from a freshman highschool kid, thats how weak most of them(not 100%, lets say over 90%, likely 95%+) are - its just biology, women had to be nerfed to be able to give birth, whole bone structure/hormones are changed and a lot, while us, guys are made for fighting/protecting, even when we are weak af compared to strongest elite athletes :)

Those werent 3 avg women, those were 3 trained police women equipped with gear, and they had a help of a man, still 0 effect vs a guy who was wild, but not a pr0 athlete :D
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I don't think the 300-400lbs fatasses would be able to move properly, can just tip toe around and slow mo knock out if necessary. The 140lb skinny dude is probably one gamer fuel away from passing out
 
Tajaz2426 said:
This is what happens when a sexy ass woman in white panties beats an alien, my friend. You actually have people out there that think men and women and equals in strength, mobility, etc.

As a stated fact, I have never in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program "MCMAP", seen a woman take down a man in real life, when we are fighting during our training portions. Not once over 16 years did I see it.

Men and women are not the same and a woman's physiology cannot sustain the substantial escalation of violence and force multipliers men have.

You can take average men and put them against Olympic trained women and it will be close or the average Joes will win.

Fuck you again, Sigourney Weaver and your fine ass.
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Its obvious to me too, man, i live in poor hood/country and saw/participated in tons of violence, its nothing like in the movies or some fake yt videos, u get those western kids who are indoctrinated in school/college spew pure bullshit but in the end reality refuses to change :)
Still Alien is one of my most beloved movies, easily top10 of all times(among Terminator 2, Enter the dragon, Matrix, Goodfellas, Godfather, Predator, Pulp Fiction, Leon, Scarface obviously subjective list, but i wanna belive its objective too) :D
 
PeteBull said:
Its obvious to me too, man, i live in poor hood/country and saw/participated in tons of violence, its nothing like in the movies or some fake yt videos, u get those western kids who are indoctrinated in school/college spew pure bullshit but in the end reality refuses to change :)
Still Alien is one of my most beloved movies, easily top10 of all times(among Terminator 2, Enter the dragon, Matrix, Goodfellas, Godfather, Predator, Pulp Fiction, Leon, Scarface obviously subjective list, but i wanna belive its objective too) :D
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Every movie you mentioned, even Scarface is OBJECTIVELY God Damn amazing. I miss the 80s and 90s action, so much.

I'll assume at this point, we have the same mother and we were separated at birth.
 
I support any creative's right to make art in any way, about anything they see fit. That's the impetus of creating something.

But to simply walk around like you don't make content fostered by a studio of like-minded people who all want to push a certain social and political world view, and then announce a new game that signals that more of THAT worldview is likely coming….eh that seems fairly self-centered to me.

Again, create whatever you want about whatever you want. But don't be surprised when you hire actors and actresses; have team members on Twitter etc etc who obviously think their way of viewing the world is the best/only way to view it and lambast anyone who doesn't agree.
 
Tajaz2426 said:
This is what happens when a sexy ass woman in white panties beats an alien, my friend. You actually have people out there that think men and women are equals in strength, mobility, etc.

As a stated fact, I have never in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program "MCMAP", seen a woman take down a man in real life, when we are fighting during our training portions. Not once over 16 years did I see it.

Men and women are not the same and a woman's physiology cannot sustain the substantial escalation of violence and force multipliers men have.

You can take average men and put them against Olympic trained women and it will be close or the average Joes will win.

Fuck you again, Sigourney Weaver and your fine ass.
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It was cool back then to have a female hero who can kick ass and hang with the guys.

The problem is that nowadays, it's like the only way you're allowed to portray a female lead is to make her stronger, smarter, braver, and more virtuous than any man. For her to come out on top of any interaction she has, and for her to be independent, not too appealing to the "male gaze" and most definitely not craving male affection.


Like… okay, we get it. It's not edgy or interesting anymore, you're not breaking any barriers anymore, you're just recycling the same played out shit that everyone is tired of, while all your patronizing echo chamber applauds and pretends they can't get enough of it. You're not a rebel. You're just doing the safest, most politically correct thing you can possibly do.
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
It was cool back then to have a female hero who can kick ass and hang with the guys.

The problem is that nowadays, it's like the only way you're allowed to portray a female lead is to make her stronger, smarter, braver, and more virtuous than any man. For her to come out on top of any interaction she has, and for her to be independent, not too appealing to the "male gaze" and most definitely not craving male affection.


Like… okay, we get it. It's not edgy or interesting anymore, you're not breaking any barriers anymore, you're just recycling the same played out shit that everyone is tired of, while all your patronizing echo chamber applauds and pretends they can't get enough of it. You're not a rebel. You're just doing the safest, most politically correct thing you can possibly do.
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I think there's space for all types of characters to be portrayed -

But the fact that developers feel the need to overly-masculinize their female characters shows the exact issue we have.

These people don't celebrate the differences of male and female then appropriately reflect those differences and personality traits inside their characters - they see the "masculine" as nothing but a set of social constructs that they can impart on a character who appears female and call it's "progress" - when all you're doing is giving us, the normal consuming public who doesn't resonate with those widely unrealistic character traits, some weird "beyond burger" bullshit -

But then, oh no no, if you fight back you get the whole trash can of name calling thrown at you.

That's been the last 10 years
 
BigBeauford said:
You didn't answer my question: what's the status quo?
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Not just WHAT, but who has their hands on the levers of it.

Quoting the metacritic by a game's media that is outrageously biased for the agenda on display in this game is like Colonel Sanders telling you his 11 herbs and spices are the best - what the cluck is he gonna say? Nah, Popeyes is better?
 
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Darkskill said:
It seems most people don't like the design/attitude of her character. I remember Infamous 2 got a ton of backlash for the new main character design, so they changed it back to the original guy from the first game
Even Sonic was redesigned for the Sonic movie, because people hated the way he looked in the first trailer. I'm sure there are many other examples of changes being made to movies and games due to fan reaction.

But uh, we can't criticize the design when it comes people of certain colors and genders. Because they can't take it, so they twist it to always end up at sexism and racism. All other valid critiques are thrown out the window. It's unfortunate.
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Pretty much this. Since when a woman in a videogame is a problem for gamers? If only that character looked like a woman, that wouldn't be a problem.
 
think you're tough at Naughty Dog's bootcamp? Stick to posing for DEI fan art and lattes. Gamers don't need a lecture from a girlboss who can't handle a controller.
 
Druckman is a man of culture, this is totally the norm in the porn industry: for every brat stepsister actress on set there are like two or three assistance dogs behind the cameras to reassure them every step of the way that they did indeed pick the right career and everything will be fine.
 
Success said:
GAF's loud minority hatred of Neil Druckmann is always funny to see.

Druckmann is a genius game director and has elevated our medium. Yet people want to tear him down just to keep the status quo.
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yep, because 40+ y.o babies go apeshit when their tantrums dont work to any effect.
dude doesnt give a shit, still turns everything he touches to gold, and that breaks fragile puppy-egos.
i mean there are still morons who cant get over tlou2, 6 years later.
 
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Sebastian1295 said:
Harassing a woman on social media because she's bald is pathetic tbh. And why is it ok for a man to be bald in games but not a woman? We don't know even know how the story is going to unfold either so hating on an actress before it even comes out is insane.

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My opinion is that the hate is not "to her" but to the impossing of proggressive ideas (which are a matter of each person's own perspective, opinion) by many media outlets, what we could call "woke" ideas, and people are tired of being told what is right and wrong, which has also repressed the creativity in media.
 
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It funny how people can insult her any way they want but as soon as she claps back she is the problem. Some gamers do everything to live up to the stereotype.
 
Hawk The Slayer said:
Agreed with everything but I'm fine with woman power since I like a sexy chick that could kick ass like Blood Rayne, Eve from Stellar Blade, Baynertta, Ada, whoever the new girl in Wuchang or Tides of Annihilation are etc.
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Unfortunately that isn't the route Neil goes.

Bad ass attractive females? Eew gay.
 
Zacfoldor said:
I hated TLOU2, Druckmann for ruining TLOU and refuse to play this game. I don't sink to their level by ever talking to anyone about this shit, but if you want to talk about being harassed, I was harassed when Joel was killed.

That is all.
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Spoiler tag it. Not everyone has played TLOU mate.
 
> Cast someone
> make her look unappealing
> make her also act insufferable in the trailer
> "O boy we need to coach you on overcoming online harassment"


What the fuck is Druckmann's problem?
 
The showrunners knew exactly what they were doing with some of these choices. It's very distracting every scene Bella is in. You sort of get pulled out the moment by obsessing over what colour pube wig she may be wearing.
 
cormack12 said:
The showrunners knew exactly what they were doing with some of these choices. It's very distracting every scene Bella is in. You sort of get pulled out the moment by obsessing over what colour pube wig she may be wearing.
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Oh don't tell me they showed "it's" pubes?!
 
Right, he's going to make something that he's proud of, period.

What he should be saying that I'm going to make something that I'll be proud of and that the fans will be proud of. That's what made the OG Uncharted trilogy so great.
 
BigBeauford said:
You didn't answer my question: what's the status quo?
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BigBeauford BigBeauford , you are now publicly embarrassing all of the veteran GAF users with that question.

You have 10 years of service on this forum and you are acting like this is your rookie year as a hardcore gamer.

Let me educate your again as your senior. BigBeauford, you have already answered your own question.

BigBeauford said:
If we are counting the last 5 years, what is the status quo? Heaven forbid someone creating a product for an existing audience they actually enjoy. Does Vogue need to dedicate a quarter of their magazine to sports?
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Here you are saying that people should make games for the main consumer of the medium. Then you use a Vogue example. And now you are asking me what the status quo was.

You already know exactly what I am talking about and yet you want me to personally write to you again.

Stop embarrassing us with this farce.
 
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