Vicetrailia
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So if you are a streamer you are still screwed?
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Internet providers to start policing the web July 12
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Well Canada is somewhat trying to do the same thing with Bill-C11. This bill is all over the place right now hopefully they don't get the right to stop peoples internet.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/14/canada-copyright-bill-c-11_n_1346132.html
"Steve Anderson, national co-ordinator of Openmedia.ca, a national campaign for open and low-cost internet, says the bill is a win for consumers over all, but the group is still concerned about how the legislation handles so-called digital locks on copyrighted content. C-11 makes no provisions to allow consumers to break digital locks on material they've bought.
Opposition MPs tried to exempt users who break locks for lawful reasons, to make a backup copy for example, but Conservative MPs wouldn't budge.
Anderson says there were groups lobbying for stricter provisions, like access to subscriber data from internet service providers or the ability to terminate internet service for first-time offenders who are convicted of violating the copyright law, and he's pleased those changes didn't make it into the bill."
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/14/canada-copyright-bill-c-11_n_1346132.html
"Steve Anderson, national co-ordinator of Openmedia.ca, a national campaign for open and low-cost internet, says the bill is a win for consumers over all, but the group is still concerned about how the legislation handles so-called digital locks on copyrighted content. C-11 makes no provisions to allow consumers to break digital locks on material they've bought.
Opposition MPs tried to exempt users who break locks for lawful reasons, to make a backup copy for example, but Conservative MPs wouldn't budge.
Anderson says there were groups lobbying for stricter provisions, like access to subscriber data from internet service providers or the ability to terminate internet service for first-time offenders who are convicted of violating the copyright law, and he's pleased those changes didn't make it into the bill."
and the flourishing of private torrents
Hari Seldon
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Our corporate overlords will not stop until the entire internet is mandated that you watch 3 minutes of commercials out of every 10 minutes of internet time.
HA HA It already does happen.
Interesting. Do you have any links for this?
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I think I'll be fine since all of the stuff I steam is foreign.
Keru_Shiri
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Is there a source? Not trying to gainsay your statement, but I legitimately want to know where I can find that data.
Seraphinianus
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torrents from private sites aren't any less traceable. It's just the site itself that's password protected from the public.
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Hari Seldon
Member
If the torrent transfer forces encrypted transfer then the ISP will have no clue wtf you are doing.
There is plenty of research and as far as i know all the independant research done came to the same conclusion. I know that both norwegian and swedish universities has done the research. Most of the stuff i've read on it is in Swedish though.
fake edit:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music
I'll try to find better examples later but my ride home from work is waiting patiently for me to finish up here
BruiserBear
Banned
It's not scary if you don't pirate.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Really? Come on man.
You might want cameras in your bathroom because you don't masturbate and metal detectors in your doorsteps in case your neighbour comes in with a machete, but I don't.
How secure is your wireless?
BruiserBear
Banned
Really? It's the same thing?
Secure enough. I also don't walk around scared every day that I could get arrested because someone who looks like me might commit a crime.
Yeah, this would be helpful.
probably not true in Asia, heck in our country, in every corner there are stalls selling pirated stuff, 'movies' cost like $2, so why would they buy original stuff lol
This might cause trouble for some people who torrent large amounts, but for the "smart pirate" it probably isn't going to be an issue. With so many methods of encryption and ways to obscure network traffic, there is always going to be a way around these kind of things. The only difference is that now more and more people will start looking into ways to hide what they are doing, and then we're back to square one again.
Maybe, but game publishers and developers dont present a united front on the issue is my guess. That's reflected in how PC games(probably the most pirated format of games) are handled by different companies. The video games industry is pretty good about trying to adapt their model to changing times to make money. At least in comparison to the oldies in the music and film industry that can't deal with the fact that they aren't making Michael Jackson money anymore.
That's not how this works though. The license holder jumps on a torrent (they know what it is) and finds your IP. They then send your ISP a notice, and the ISP sends it along to you (and then takes action if necessary).
It makes no difference if the torrent is forcing encryption or not. No one is accountable for actually proving that you've downloaded what the license holder says you have (which is the major problem I see with this).
CornBurrito
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Question: Would watching a clip of an episode on youtube get me in trouble for piracy?
There is plenty of research and as far as i know all the independant research done came to the same conclusion. I know that both norwegian and swedish universities has done the research. Most of the stuff i've read on it is in Swedish though.
fake edit:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music
I'll try to find better examples later but my ride home from work is waiting patiently for me to finish up here
Adding a few interesting links on the matter:
http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Studies_on_file_sharing
http://torrentfreak.com/suppressed-report-found-busted-pirate-site-users-were-good-consumers-110719/
BruiserBear
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No, and I don't think there is even a tiny chance ISPs would suggest so. We all know who they're after here, and it's not YouTube users.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
well back when i was in HS my teacher predicted this....said over time governments and companies will get a stranglehold on the net...even though no one should be in charge of it.
next(now) will be metered internet so that logging onto a fucking gateway and using internet backbones that taxpayers paid for decades ago. We still dont have our fiber optic network that fully replaced copper ...wtf happened to that money.
next(now) will be metered internet so that logging onto a fucking gateway and using internet backbones that taxpayers paid for decades ago. We still dont have our fiber optic network that fully replaced copper ...wtf happened to that money.
Rebel Leader
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It's freedom with restrictions.
BruiserBear
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Well, if it's true freedom we're after we should just have anarchy, right?
Angry Fork
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We should. Anarchy mixed with socialism. That's basically where things should go imo and what's best for humanity in terms of democracy, freedom etc.
But you're thinking of the chaos/dog gone wild/explosion kind of anarchy which is bullshit.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
You need to stop, bro.
This is so silly, it's the best they can do after those bills crashed and burned.
bengraven
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DOWNLOAD EVERYTHING YOU CAN QUICKLY.
There was no way they were going to simply stop SOPA. They are going to keep reforming it over and over again until it's a law. They will never give up on it. The bottom line is the "wild west" of the internet is going to be chained up and under control within 5 years. Maybe less.
There was no way they were going to simply stop SOPA. They are going to keep reforming it over and over again until it's a law. They will never give up on it. The bottom line is the "wild west" of the internet is going to be chained up and under control within 5 years. Maybe less.
Here, "freedom" means Capitalism.
nVidiot_Whore
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OMG.. I might not be able to blatantly break the law!
INTERNET DESTROYED!!
LULZ
Honestly people talking about freedom? GTFO of here with that crap.. seriously..gonna have to ignore all threads on this because it's going to be painful. You are not "free" to break well defined and purposeful laws.. this is the ALTERNATIVE to getting personally sued, which the RIAA backed off on.
Much better solution. Can we get back to normalcy some day? A planet where people don't think piracy is some "right"?
INTERNET DESTROYED!!
LULZ
Honestly people talking about freedom? GTFO of here with that crap.. seriously..gonna have to ignore all threads on this because it's going to be painful. You are not "free" to break well defined and purposeful laws.. this is the ALTERNATIVE to getting personally sued, which the RIAA backed off on.
Much better solution. Can we get back to normalcy some day? A planet where people don't think piracy is some "right"?
bengraven
Member
Yes. They're the ones with the freedom.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Freedom to steal?
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
Average modern human: I DEMAND all companies make their products available to me digitally. If they don't, I'll find an alternative source for them.
*entire industry switches over to digital distribution*
Alright.. what I MEANT WAS... I demand to be allowed to download this digital content illegally for free, and any attempt to stop me I'll scream about "freedom" and "corporations" and "the government."
The new reality we live in. Honestly people, grow the fuck up.
*entire industry switches over to digital distribution*
Alright.. what I MEANT WAS... I demand to be allowed to download this digital content illegally for free, and any attempt to stop me I'll scream about "freedom" and "corporations" and "the government."
The new reality we live in. Honestly people, grow the fuck up.
Cool. I'll stay a child and enjoy my internet freedom thank you very much.
Fact is that the entertainment industry is a failure in digital distribution, why else would people use alternate means to get their movies? When movies themselves lost their value (like they did now with the internet), the industry has to come up with something else to persuade consumers to buy their products.
No industry is worth so much that you can simply screw your citizens just to save them, especially one were everybody in charge acts like a giant asshole.
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