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[Marty Chinn]

I think I found a new bug in iOS5. This is with regard to Bluetooth audio streaming. It seems if I'm listening to something in my car while streaming audio, and then I get a call, when I end the call, the signal strength is dramatically reduced for Bluetooth and the audio begins to stutter as a result. If I move my phone closer to the center of the car instead of being in my pocket, it tends to get better but it was working completely fine before the phone call. This was never an issue before I upgraded to iOS5 and now has happend twice during this week under the same circumstances. Even turning off the car and turning it back on or reconnecting the phone to the car doesn't change it. The only way for me to fix it is to reboot the phone itself.

 

[Jasoco]

Mine is more than 6 and I still get this.

Mine is 6 and I don't.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Just found another bug. If you reboot your phone, location reminders are turned off.

 

[Arpeggio23]

My family has one iPhone and one iPad. Both devices use the same Apple ID. Is it possible for these devices to send unique iMessages to each other? If so, how?

 

[DarkJC]

I hope these bugs are being submitted to bugreport.apple.com

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

My family has one iPhone and one iPad. Both devices use the same Apple ID. Is it possible for these devices to send unique iMessages to each other? If so, how?

Works between my iPad and iPhone. I simply select myself in the contacts for who I'm sending an iMessage too. That's how I first tested out the service, since none of my friends had updated yet.

 

[btkadams]

will birthdays show up on icloud despite it being under subscriptions and not under icloud?

 

[Arpeggio23]

Works between my iPad and iPhone. I simply select myself in the contacts for who I'm sending an iMessage too. That's how I first tested out the service, since none of my friends had updated yet.

This does work, but it's confusing; it duplicates messages, basically sending messages to itself. I thought sending messages to the iPhone number and then replying to the Apple ID would prevent duplication, but this has not worked.

 

[Ken Masters]

so when I visit the iCloud.com calendar it hasn't synced at all with my mac or iPhone even though I have it set to sync on my iPhone, how do I fix this?

 

[SuicideUZI]

Does anyone know how to sync specific photo folders to your iOS device without creating duplicates?

I have a folder on my computer called wallpaper that just has wallpapers made for retina display, but when i try to sync it now it creates an album on the iPhone called wallpaper and an album called photo library which has the same exact pictures in it.

Also is there any way to sync the Camera Roll album to your computer?

 

[KtSlime]

will birthdays show up on icloud despite it being under subscriptions and not under icloud?

They should. It appears under subscriptions on my computer as well, but that calendar is actually generated from your address book - so as long as you have that synced it should work.

 

[Electric Brain]

Does anyone know how to sync specific photo folders to your iOS device without creating duplicates?

I have a folder on my computer called wallpaper that just has wallpapers made for retina display, but when i try to sync it now it creates an album on the iPhone called wallpaper and an album called photo library which has the same exact pictures in it.

Also is there any way to sync the Camera Roll album to your computer?

They're not duplicated, they're simply two albums referencing the same images. The Photo Library album is ALL the images that have been synced over. For example, if you're syncing over several albums, they'll appear in each of their own albums on the iOS device, and all together in the Photo Library.

The camera roll is separate, as it acts like a capture folder on a camera - you don't sync it, you export from it. Either that, or use photo stream on iCloud.

 

[SuicideUZI]

Weird, on iOS 4 the Photo Library album never showed up for me, just Camera Roll and whatever albums I synced from my computer.

Is there any way to hide it?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

This does work, but it's confusing; it duplicates messages, basically sending messages to itself. I thought sending messages to the iPhone number and then replying to the Apple ID would prevent duplication, but this has not worked.

I suppose you could set up an Apple ID for both devices, but that's not really a great option either, as it negates syncing with iCloud a few other things as well. I think I'd just put up with the duplicates. It isn't all that distracting in my opinion.

 

[Sky Chief]

I asked this a few pages ago but got no reply.

Is anyone else having problems with Safari in iOS 5?

Usually it seems faster but now sometimes when I try to refresh a page nothing happens and the entire thing comes to a screeching halt. The entire app becomes unresponsive and the only way to fix it is to press the home button and then close Safari or restart my iPad. Sometimes switching between tabs also freezes Safari and the only option is to close it completely or restart. I'm also getting strange rendering problems and once everything on a webpage just kept changing sizes on me over and over for no reason.

All these issues are on tech blogs and such that I used to be able to browse without problems. Is anyone having similar problems? Does anyone have any suggestions for me because this is not nearly as stable as the old Safari was for me and this is happening at least a couple times a day since I updated and almost never on 4.3? iPad 2 BTW.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Weird, on iOS 4 the Photo Library album never showed up for me, just Camera Roll and whatever albums I synced from my computer.

Is there any way to hide it?

I was wondering about that. On my 3G it was there. When I got a 4 it was gone and now iOS5 it's back.

 

[Baconbitz]

So, I just did a wifi sync only for it to sync my movies. It tells me I have less GB used then I actually have used. I'm just going back to the old fashioned way.

 

[jonnybryce]

1. I shouldn't have to tap twice to clear something in the notification pane.

2. If I clear a notification in the pane why is the badge still on the app? I tapped twice to clear the text message and it remains a red circle on the text icon? I have to do even more to make that shit go away!?

It feels really out of place and thrown on top, like many Blackerry 7 elements.

 

[tmdorsey]

1. I shouldn't have to tap twice to clear something in the notification pane.

2. If I clear a notification in the pane why is the badge still on the app? I tapped twice to clear the text message and it remains a red circle on the text icon? I have to do even more to make that shit go away!?

It feels really out of place and thrown on top, like many Blackerry 7 elements.

1) I actually agree, but it's not a big deal to me.

2) Because you haven't addressed it in the app. What's wrong with just tapping the notification to pull up the app the notification is for?

 

[Dragon]

Ugh, I have to download the official 5.0 firmware manually and restore to it? I was on the beta and just had my phone go into activation mode because apparently the beta firmware expired?

 

[KtSlime]

1. I shouldn't have to tap twice to clear something in the notification pane.

2. If I clear a notification in the pane why is the badge still on the app? I tapped twice to clear the text message and it remains a red circle on the text icon? I have to do even more to make that shit go away!?

It feels really out of place and thrown on top, like many Blackerry 7 elements.

I imagine part of the problem is that many of those apps have yet to be updated to iOS 5. Notifications work a bit different. Apps for iOS 4 show up in the notification center, but don't behave perfectly.

 

[jonnybryce]

1) I actually agree, but it's not a big deal to me.

2) Because you haven't addressed it in the app. What's wrong with just tapping the notification to pull up the app the notification is for?

I don't know, it just feels wrong. If I get a text and read it in the pane I should be able to clear it and have it go away. Instead I clear it, obviously not thinking it's worthy to be addressed, and go on. Later the badge is still there so I think it's something else, but rather I have to address the text a third time to make it go away. It just feels so redundant. I feel like if I address it outside of the app twice, I shouldn't have to then address it inside the app.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I imagine part of the problem is that many of those apps have yet to be updated to iOS 5. Notifications work a bit different. Apps for iOS 4 show up in the notification center, but don't behave perfectly.

I don't get why this would be an issue when jailbroken notification systems have worked for ages without anyone needing to handle their alerts differently.

 

[KtSlime]

I don't get why this would be an issue when jailbroken notification systems have worked for ages without anyone needing to handle their alerts differently.

You didn't understand last year about Apple's implementation of multitasking either. Who knows, this is how they implemented the new feature. Send an email to Forstall and ask him why he did it this way rather than whatever way the jailbreak community did.

I only know about my own experiences and what the API and developer documentation says. Some changes have to happen to apps to take advantage of the new OS features.

 

[tmdorsey]

I don't know, it just feels wrong. If I get a text and read it in the pane I should be able to clear it and have it go away. Instead I clear it, obviously not thinking it's worthy to be addressed, and go on. Later the badge is still there so I think it's something else, but rather I have to address the text a third time to make it go away. It just feels so redundant. I feel like if I address it outside of the app twice, I shouldn't have to then address it inside the app.

But what about texts that are too long to fit in the notification center? It sounds like you want the notification center to replace actually having to open the app, which I don't think is the purpose.

 

[Macho Madness]

But what about texts that are too long to fit in the notification center? It sounds like you want the notification center to replace actually having to open the app, which I don't think is the purpose.

Exactly. I see his point about being able to clear notifications with just one tap or swoop but the purpose of Notifications is to tell you something is happening in the app. When you have the time to go into the app, that's when you pull up Notification Center and all your notifications you've gotten are ready to go, ready for you to see which apps need your attention.

Perhaps that's even the reason that they take more than one tap to clear. If you go into the app, they clear themselves. I'm thinking it may be a way to show you that Notification Center is not supposed to be a replacement for an app, but just an easy way to see which apps need your attention.

I like this discussion, and I do think Notification Center could use some improvements though.

 

[LCfiner]

1. I shouldn't have to tap twice to clear something in the notification pane.

2. If I clear a notification in the pane why is the badge still on the app? I tapped twice to clear the text message and it remains a red circle on the text icon? I have to do even more to make that shit go away!?

It feels really out of place and thrown on top, like many Blackerry 7 elements.

I think they can optimize some of this UI stuff. it’s not the best it can be.

the double tap on the X in the notification screen is a tough move since the target is small. I’m hoping they 1) allow for a swipe to delete shortcut and 2) change the hit target size to make it easier to delete and 3) add a "clear all" button on top.

 

[Marty Chinn]

You didn't understand last year about Apple's implementation of multitasking either. Who knows, this is how they implemented the new feature. Send an email to Forstall and ask him why he did it this way rather than whatever way the jailbreak community did.

I only know about my own experiences and what the API and developer documentation says. Some changes have to happen to apps to take advantage of the new OS features.

Wait a second, where did you get the idea that I didn't understand Apple's implementation of multitasking? What I said was I thought it wasn't well executed to force developers to have to recompile their code in order to support it. I would say the same here too if it was true that apps had to be recompiled in order to support the new notification system. We know that's not true, but suggesting that is the reason would be a terrible idea.

The basic point in all of this is, if you can do it in a way that takes place on the back end without the users or the apps needing to change anything, that's the way it should be done. We've seen plenty of implementations that prove you can do it that way. The pre-existing notification system could handle a number of things already so it's not a stretch for the OS itself to decide what to do with those notifications once it has them with no need for a developer to go back and change anything. Plus there hasn't been to my knowledge anything that suggested all apps would need to be updated to support the new notification system.

 

[NJ Shlice]

My old beta firmware just crapped out. Ugh.

 

[Macho Madness]

My old beta firmware just crapped out. Ugh.

To be fair, it's supposed to. What good is a developer that is still making apps for the beta firmware?

 

[NJ Shlice]

Huh.

I'm talking about iOS5 beta version. They expire after a few months.

 

[giga]

Huh.

I'm talking about iOS5 beta version. They expire after a few months.

That's what he's talking about.

 

[KtSlime]

Wait a second, where did you get the idea that I didn't understand Apple's implementation of multitasking? What I said was I thought it wasn't well executed to force developers to have to recompile their code in order to support it. I would say the same here too if it was true that apps had to be recompiled in order to support the new notification system. We know that's not true, but suggesting that is the reason would be a terrible idea.

The basic point in all of this is, if you can do it in a way that takes place on the back end without the users or the apps needing to change anything, that's the way it should be done. We've seen plenty of implementations that prove you can do it that way. The pre-existing notification system could handle a number of things already so it's not a stretch for the OS itself to decide what to do with those notifications once it has them with no need for a developer to go back and change anything. Plus there hasn't been to my knowledge anything that suggested all apps would need to be updated to support the new notification system.

Sorry. I was not as clear as I should have been. I did not mean to imply that you did not understand the implementation, but rather that you did not understand why Apple implemented it that way.

I agree with the rest of your post, if there is a way to implement a feature without needing to require users or developers to change something - behavior or code, Apple should go implement the feature that way. As to why they designed it the way they did, I think you may have better luck asking the people that designed it, rather than me. I have a few theories, especially regarding the multitasking, but I'll never know until I see the source code.

 

[Jasoco]

Well, I seem to have made a mistake. At least on my iPod. I apparently installed the wrong version instead of the GM. Or so it would seem. Tonight my iPod decided to go into activation mode and told me I am not registered. But my iPad is still working fine so I wonder if I just downloaded the wrong version. I already deleted the ipsw so I can't check the version number of the iPod iOS, but confirm is the GM 9A334? That's what I used for my iPad. Since I updated both at different times I probably made a silly mistake.

I'll have to try and download the correct one now.

Edit: Yep. I had installed the wrong version somehow. I don't know how but thankfully it was an easy fix.

 

[Particle Physicist]

So if I turn off 'send as SMS when iMessage is unavailable' does that mean it won't let me send SMSs to people that don't have iOS?

Basically, I don't want it to automatically send a text if iMessage fails, but I still want to be able to send an SMS to people without iOS5

 

[Macho Madness]

So if I turn off 'send as SMS when iMessage is unavailable' does that mean it won't let me send SMSs to people that don't have iOS?

Basically, I don't want it to automatically send a text if iMessage fails, but I still want to be able to send an SMS to people without iOS5

It does what you want it to. Turn it off.

 

[DR3AM]

i have like 200 new emails, is there a "read all " button

 

[LyleLanley]

i have like 200 new emails, is there a "read all " button

There's no read all button, but if you mark them all you can mark them all as read at the same time.

 

[abracadaver]

My iPhone just locked itself into recovery mode and now I cant do anything anymore.

Im at a screen that says:

Were unable to complete you...

This device is not registered as part of the iPhone Developer Programm.##br####br##if you are member of the Programm, please register your device in the @@url@@.

Had my UDID registered here in the beta thread a few months ago. What do I have to do now ?

 

[Macho Madness]

My iPhone just locked itself into recovery mode and now I cant do anything anymore.

Im at a screen that says:



Had my UDID registered here in the beta thread a few months ago. What do I have to do now ?

You're using a beta version. Get the release version and install that.

 

[abracadaver]

You're using a beta version. Get the release version and install that.

Itunes said I have the latest version. How do I update to the final release ? I have the latest itunes 10.5 installed.

 

[Jasoco]

Go to http://imzdl.com/ and download the GM for your model. I had the same thing happen today as posted above. I installed what I thought was a GM but apparently wasn't. Now all is well.

 

[harriet the spy]

Itunes said I have the latest version. How do I update to the final release ? I have the latest itunes 10.5 installed.

Same issue here. Just look for the ipsw and update from iTunes

Still, very stupid way of dealing with things for apple imo. I hope we won't have the same issue with iTunes, because i am not sure how'd i fix it (there are no dmgs to install iTunes on macs, is there?)

 

[DarkJC]

I wonder how many of those iOS 5 issues were due to people installing supposed iOS GM seeds that weren't. I don't see why it's Apple's problem that you didn't get it from a trusted source.

 

[harriet the spy]

I wonder how many of those iOS 5 issues were due to people installing supposed iOS GM seeds that weren't. I don't see why it's Apple's problem that you didn't get it from a trusted source.

I am not sure you should speak without knowing what you're talking about. My "trusted source" was apple.

As an iOS dev, you get access to the iOS beta, from apple. You need to upgrade your phone to iOS 5beta so that you can try your app. Then, when iOS 5 comes out, your phone says 'don't worry, you're fully upgraded'. But a few days later, your phone complains that it needs to upgrade after all (because the beta version expired and was not in fact a final release). Problem: iTunes thinks your iOS is up to date, and won't upgrade it.

So you have to sneak around to find an ipsw that apple won't even provide themselves (i wonder what devs are actually supposed to do), and restore your phone. And in my case, couldn't even back up the phone after the beta expired, which means that the restore made me lose data.

 

[Jasoco]

I wonder how many of those iOS 5 issues were due to people installing supposed iOS GM seeds that weren't. I don't see why it's Apple's problem that you didn't get it from a trusted source.

I always got my iOS5 betas and GM from imzdl. It's the most trusted source you could have during the beta aside from Apple themselves.

It's not that the iOS install was a problem, it's that someone may have named an older beta as the GM accidentally for a while. See, I installed iOS5 GM (Supposed) two weeks before I downloaded the one for my iPad. (After the full release.) By then I assume the real GM was in place, but the one before was probably an older version. I forgot to check in About to see what version ID I was running. Now I have both devices installed with 9A334 which is the final. I assume the one I had on the iPod before I updated it tonight had an older number. It could have been my own fault too. Either I downloaded the wrong link for the iPod or I selected the wrong one when I installed it. Or it could have been mislabeled on the site. Either way, download the GM's that are there now and you'll be fine.

 

[abracadaver]

And in my case, couldn't even back up the phone after the beta expired, which means that the restore made me lose data.

Same here

 

[Macho Madness]

I am not sure you should speak without knowing what you're talking about. My "trusted source" was apple.

As an iOS dev, you get access to the iOS beta, from apple. You need to upgrade your phone to iOS 5beta so that you can try your app. Then, when iOS 5 comes out, your phone says 'don't worry, you're fully upgraded'. But a few days later, your phone complains that it needs to upgrade after all (because the beta version expired and was not in fact a final release). Problem: iTunes thinks your iOS is up to date, and won't upgrade it.

So you have to sneak around to find an ipsw that apple won't even provide themselves (i wonder what devs are actually supposed to do), and restore your phone. And in my case, couldn't even back up the phone after the beta expired, which means that the restore made me lose data.

You're wrong. The GM was provided to devs on the developer site, which is the final version and does not expire. Devs should have upgraded to the GM the second it was available. Backup with the latest beta, then restore with the GM. No data lost.

If you're going to use a beta or try to get in early on a release, don't blame Apple if you aren't paying attention. (Especially if you're not actually a developer. There's a reason Apple says to only put betas on devices intended for testing.)

 

[criesofthepast]

I figured something out with not getting my iCloud email pushed to me. (and Facebook too now)

When the apps are open in the background, they push no problem. When I close them in the multitasking bar they do not push. These are the only two apps doing that. They need to be running in the background to receive push notifications.

Can anyone test this to see if it is similar with your phone?

Is this how push is supposed to work? The app needs to be in it's hibernated state on the multi-tasking bar? Doesn't sound right.

 

[jts]

I figured something out with not getting my iCloud email pushed to me. (and Facebook too now)

When the apps are open in the background, they push no problem. When I close them in the multitasking bar they do not push. These are the only two apps doing that. They need to be running in the background to receive push notifications.

Can anyone test this to see if it is similar with your phone?

Is this how push is supposed to work? The app needs to be in it's hibernated state on the multi-tasking bar? Doesn't sound right.

It's not supposed to be like that at all. Push notifications were introduced on the iPhone way before multitasking. Basically there's a service always running on the device which pushes notifications to it, no matter what the app.

Unless some apps, like, say, Facebook, are doing it differently. Like instead of using the push notification service they make the app itself do a local notification which is an API introduced in iOS4. That way you don't need servers to get users to be notified, but you need the app running. Just speculating here.

I find it strange for that to be the case for iCloud mail push though. Especially because the mail app you can't really close. You can remove it from the multitasking tray, but even if it closes, it's one of the apps that will always start on itself, much like the phone app, Safari and some others.