In addition to what I wrote above, I have found another major problem which I did not realize until just now. After the iOS 6 update, my phone now disables WiFi when I put it in sleep mode. That is likely why my data usage has skyrocketed. If I start a download with WiFi on, put it in sleep mode as I always have for it to download while I listen to something else, it switches so that it eats up my data. Same thing about streaming stuff or whatever else. Ugh, this just gets worse and worse.
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Can't complain about anything you just said. Really, why does Siri need the Internet to do tasks (eg. set alarms) on the phone?
iOS has always done this, wifi is turned off if the phone is locked and the connection isn't actively used at that point.
The difference is that in iOS 6 there is an universal Use Cellular Data switch in the iTunes & App Stores settings that is used by all the Apple apps when turned on. Podcasts uses the ITunes Store app to download the podcasts for example. So if you have that on, when locked, your phone swaps to cellular data. Explains why your usage is up.
That is turned off, it can't be why my usage is up.
I have always set up multiple podcasts to download, hit the top button to turn off the screen, and when I open it back up a little while later to change podcasts all that I have downloaded is completed and ready to play, and it never used any of my cellular data to do so. Maybe downloads are just so incredibly slow now and they come up quick after I turn the screen back on, but that's what I've done every day for over a year now.
I tinkered with some other options before I went to work today hoping that it would help, and whatever I did seemed to fix the usage problem. I am now home and just checked my usage again and today I sent 1.1 MB and received 3.2 MB. That is far more in line of what it should be. It's ridiculous that I used almost 2 full GB in just a matter of days. I don't care what the reason, but it's unacceptable if it changed over in the update, and that's the only thing it could be since I've made no changes myself from what I normally do.
I'm more frustrated about the entire podcast issue though.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I'm not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but what the hell - if I delete apps from my PC with iTunes on it (to free up space on the hard drive), is there a way to sync my iPhone to my PC without iTunes also erasing the app from my iPhone?
I plugged my iPhone in and it warns me that it'll delete everything that I removed from my PC, and I don't want it to do that.
I just want to be able to move apps from my PC to my Phone, but not have to keep a copy of the file on PC (because games like Infinite Blade are over a gig).
I plugged my iPhone in and it warns me that it'll delete everything that I removed from my PC, and I don't want it to do that.
I just want to be able to move apps from my PC to my Phone, but not have to keep a copy of the file on PC (because games like Infinite Blade are over a gig).
you do know that if the app is removed from the appstore you never can get it back unless you own a local copy of the app?
Switch to iCloud as your backup.
Ken Masters
Banned
Can I put music on the iPhone via iTunes without having to back it up also? As I already select iCloud as the backup choice
Yes.
Here is what it always does no matter what I download. I've been trying to get this one all afternoon!!!
Each episode of the omeara show is like 60 mb, so if you've been having podcast issues and keep having to re download these episodes (among others) that would probably contribute heavily to that data pull.
Edit: and I was just about to toss another Downcast recommendation out there! It's a great app.
Ken Masters
Banned
Cool
I only download them over wifi though, so I'm not sure how that would matter.
It's all a moot point right now though. I'm sticking with Downcast, to hell with any updates they offer on that disgusting podcast app, I'm done with it.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Same here. Only issue I have with the Podcast app now is it sometimes weirds out marking stuff unplayed, but it'll get fixed in due course.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yes. I moved the actual files to an external hard drive.
I have. I still want to download new apps on the PC so I can have a local file and not download twice if possible.
So, basically I'm fucked and can never sync to a PC for the rest of the time I own the phone then?
iOS 6 is the final nail in the coffin for my iPhone 3G, because any apps that are approved for ios6 in Xcode has now dropped support for any OS before 4.3
Basically no app approved from now on will install on my phone, including updates.
It was slowly happening I guess, but time to pony up and upgrade my phone!
Basically no app approved from now on will install on my phone, including updates.
It was slowly happening I guess, but time to pony up and upgrade my phone!
I don't see what you want the local backup for, but regardless, you can't do it the way you are doing it. If you want the local backup, then the apps need to be in iTunes. If you want to remove the apps from iTunes and keep them on the iPhone, then backup to iCloud. You can't backup to both.
It's actually very simple.
If you sync a phone with a pc, you SYNC a phone with the pc. Synchronise. Delete an app off home base, it deletes off the synced device next sync. I agree it sucks, considering if you delete an app off device, it DOESN't delete off the home base, but you have to realise the concept of syncing is from the days where your pc was a hub for all your devices.
What you're wanting to do is sync ... But NOT sync at the same time. It's a granularity of control that is typically absent in simple apple ecosystems.
However, regarding tobor's point, I thought you CAN backup to cloud and to a pc. That is you have an cloud backup and still sync to a pc. And even make a backup (right click on your device in iTunes and make a manual backup). Unless I has changed, of course.
That's something different than making a backup of app files though.
Edit: yeah I realised you can backup to two things but I think it still means you're syncing, so removal o the apps would still delete them, Whig was he main point.
LyleLanley
Banned
So I posted this in the Maps thread but I thought you guys might find these apps useful too.
"I don't know how old this is but HopStop has been updated for iOS 6 and includes a ton of directions.
HopStop iTunes Link
Alternatively Lumatic City Maps also does directions with Street View like pictures.
Lumatic City Maps iTunes Link
Hope this helps some of you."
Also if you're in a city that has one of the Embark apps, definitely get it.
"I don't know how old this is but HopStop has been updated for iOS 6 and includes a ton of directions.
HopStop iTunes Link
Alternatively Lumatic City Maps also does directions with Street View like pictures.
Lumatic City Maps iTunes Link
Hope this helps some of you."
Also if you're in a city that has one of the Embark apps, definitely get it.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Ugh. Well, it was more for managing the stupidly big games like Infinity Blade and Horn. They're not games you want to play all the time, but having them eat 4 gigs simultaneously on a computer and on the phone seems kind of silly.
It's my first iPhone, so I'm still learning about the draconian DRM stuff. Imagine my shock when I discovered that you can only sync to one computer at a time without erasing the phone.
Honestly, I wanted to be able to manage apps the same way that I managed music and movies on my old iPod nano. I didn't realize that you can't do that. :/
Since I already deleted the apps from iTunes, I really don't have a choice in the matter I guess.
Ugh. Well, it was more for managing the stupidly big games like Infinity Blade and Horn. They're not games you want to play all the time, but having them eat 4 gigs simultaneously on a computer and on the phone seems kind of silly.
It's my first iPhone, so I'm still learning about the draconian DRM stuff. Imagine my shock when I discovered that you can only sync to one computer at a time without erasing the phone.
You can get around syncing to multiple computers for some things by changing the iTunes Library ID on the second computer
I'm not sure how you would manage syncing to a computer while also not syncing (adding and then deleting)
Ugh. Well, it was more for managing the stupidly big games like Infinity Blade and Horn. They're not games you want to play all the time, but having them eat 4 gigs simultaneously on a computer and on the phone seems kind of silly.
It's my first iPhone, so I'm still learning about the draconian DRM stuff. Imagine my shock when I discovered that you can only sync to one computer at a time without erasing the phone.
Honestly, I wanted to be able to manage apps the same way that I managed music and movies on my old iPod nano. I didn't realize that you can't do that. :/
Since I already deleted the apps from iTunes, I really don't have a choice in the matter I guess.
It works exactly the same. If you removed a song from your iTunes library, and synced your Nano, it would remove the song from the Nano as well. That's what syncing is.
What I would recommend is you look into an app for your computer to access and backup game saves you want to keep, sync to iCloud, and don't worry about backing up the apps to the PC.
This is the way I do it (on a Mac, I'm not positive if it works the same on Windows but I assume it does):
Manually remove the .ipa files from the Mobile Applications folder in the iTunes directory, then put them in an external HD. The iTunes program will still act like you own the apps in the app section, you just won't be able to show the actual files in Explorer/Finder. If you try to do it, you'll get a little exclamation point next to the app icon:
However, when you sync your phone it will not remove the apps from your device as long as you keep them checked. To add an app file back to the library, just paste the .ipa back in the Mobile Applications folder and iTunes will recognize it. That or delete the icon in the apps section ad re-download it from the App Store.
Is there any real purpose to expanding iCloud beyond the free 5GB? I decided to go all iCloud today and got iTunes Match and expanded iCloud to 15GB for phone back ups. My whole phone backup only took up 500 mb, so I backed up my iPad... Only 1.5 GB more. I still haven't used half the free 5 GB so I'm starting to feel like I wasted my money expanding that. I can't imagine anything else I would need more space than that for. Am I missing something?
LyleLanley
Banned
Uploading songs that aren't already in the iTunes store will take up space along with saved data from any app that decides to use iCloud.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Yes, it does. It's just slower and less aggressive.
You must not take any pictures or have a lot of app data. I'm using around 8 GBs to back up my iPhone and iPad.
Uploaded songs don't count against your iCloud cap. They only count against the iTunes Match 25K song limit.
jts
...hate me...
Because it won't even recognize what you're saying. iOS speech recognition is purely server-based, or cloud-based if you want.
You can't even use dictation (speech to text) without internet either.
But yeah, it would be cool if they could manage to crap out some offline mode. Doubt it would be trivial though.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, I read about that. The problem is that I have to delete the music library on my second computer, so I put it off. Although I guess if I have to do it eventually, might as well do it now before it gets even more painful.
I don't know if they changed anything since the iPod Nano 3rd gen, but by turning off automatic sync for music, I was able to individually manage songs and media on separate PCs without it giving me warnings anyway. Maybe I'm using "sync" the wrong way - I'd just like to be able to individually "manage" files by copying from a PC to a iPhone without having it copy every single thing over.
That was my original plan, but I didn't know that you could still leave it checked on the sync list and it would be fine. If I re-link all the files back to iTunes, do you think it would be fine?
I suppose my real problem is that I have way too many apps and using iTunes to manage apps individually is way too slow.
I know, first world problems. lol
This is the way I do it (on a Mac, I'm not positive if it works the same on Windows but I assume it does):
Directly remove the .ipa files from the Mobile Applications folder in the iTunes directory, then put them in an external HD. The iTunes program will still act like you own the apps in the app section, you just won't be able to show the actual files in Explorer/Finder. If you try to do it, you'll get a little exclamation point next to the app icon:
However, when you sync your phone it will not remove the apps from your device as long as you keep them checked. To add an app file back to the library, just paste the .ipa back in the Mobile Applications folder and iTunes will recognize it. That or delete the icon in the apps section ad re-download it from the App Store.
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I figured there may have been a way by referencing apps, like having a dummy pointer, but didn't gather that it would keep the library info intact if you removed outright. If youtried that on songs, iTunes recognises that ou removed them I believe and deletes the entry from the library.
Interesting, thanks for clarifying. Thee you go firehawk, it's more or less a workaround for what you want. It is a semi 'hack' though and you never know when apple might change it so it works like the music.
LyleLanley
Banned
If you have iTunes Match it'll match up to 25,000 songs, but if a song on your computer isn't also on the store then you have to upload it yourself and it takes up iCloud space.
Nope, it doesn't. I'll find a link if you like, but trust me, it doesn't.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
iTunes Match is not connected to iCloud.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah. The problem is that I already deleted my library, so I don't know what will happen if I try to relink all the files and then sync. lol
I'm afraid to check, to be honest.
LyleLanley
Banned
I could've sworn it worked that way, but I guess you're right.
Photos, PDFs and other types of big documents can take a lot of space if you use iCloud for that sort of stuff.
Hmm, can't say for sure but I think it would be fine. From my experience, all that matters to iTunes is that it still has the app icon existing in the apps section when you sync, even if you don't have a file linked to it, so if you get your library back in there there's a chance it won't make a fuss. Likewise, when I download an app through my phone and sync it, it automatically copies the .ipa to iTunes, and if I remove the .ipa from the Mobile Applications directory it will keep the icon in the library and won't delete it from the device in following syncs.
Hopefully they won't change it haha, it's an integral part for me to keep my SSD free without having to keep a big local backup, and I'm really anal about keeping a backup of my apps due to some problems I had with my Apple ID some time ago (region-related changes, App Store launching in my country, credit card not being accepted in the store I used before, managing more than one account, that sort of stuff). Maybe the apps library works differently because you can only have apps from the App Store and can't add any from other sources, I don't know.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Why does 'coverflow' still exist...? Seriously.
Gary Whitta
Member
It looks nice in TV commercials. But yeah, it's useless. Sometimes when I'm using my phone to listen to music I'll turn on the portrait orientation lock so it doesn't accidentally come up.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Hrm, would it be too much of an ask if I had you test it with a small app of no consequence?
Like, sync it onto the phone, delete the app from iTunes but keep the ipa, move the ipa back into iTunes, and then try to sync the phone again and see if it gives you a warning?
I probably shouldn't have deleted my library, but... c'est la vie.
Does it? I never landscape my phone. What terrible UI.
I've done that as well. Lol.
Sure, I'll try it right now and post the results.
dorkimoe
Member
Anyone? I feel like I'm going to do a restore or something. The banners aren't going away for texts. They do email though
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Ken Masters
Banned
On the iPhone it sucks but it's not on the iPad where it could potentially be more useful
It's just eye candy really
AusRoachman
Member
Anyone have the problem, when playing a podcast via the new podcasts app and you unplug your headphones it still keeps playing ?
Really really hate the new podcast app.
Really really hate the new podcast app.