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iOS 6 |OT| New Maps? googy pls
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For me, it appears at the start, but disappears automatically...
Maps updated from yesterday.
It looks like the maps have been updated. I tried really hard to duplicate the old screenshot from yesterday, but it's harder since these are vector maps (many more zoom levels than the standard couple zoom levels on old maps) and I had 3D mode on. Nevertheless, you can tell it was updated since they renamed the park. It looks like they're showing street names more often in this version, too.
Mecha_Infantry
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How are maps updated?
Maps updated from yesterday.
It looks like the maps have been updated. I tried really hard to duplicate the old screenshot from yesterday, but it's harder since these are vector maps (many more zoom levels than the standard couple zoom levels on old maps) and I had 3D mode on. Nevertheless, you can tell it was updated since they renamed the park. It looks like they're showing street names more often in this version, too.
So the park changed name? Like that they are showing street names though, just don't get it too cluttered. Add more locations for international. I could get to restaurants with google maps but not the new Apple Maps
Macho Madness
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So's Lloyd. Hoping this stuff is ironed out in final because that would stink.
This view was also updated:One thing I noticed about these images is that for long streets/roads, the app doesn't repeat the road name. For example, look at my image below, if I'm zoomed in at this level, how will I know what the green/red/blue road name is?
They just appear to be doing it on the server.
I swear it was updated as I was trying to get this map centered and zoomed right--there was Houston St (the horizontally east-west street going in a diagonal) and only one MacDougal, then the MacDougal on the bottom was replaced with a one-way arrow for a second. Maybe they're reading GAF!
They're definitely still doing a lot of server side tweaking. I got carmine just a second ago
Macho Madness
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Another neat thing with Maps I just realized is that you can single-finger tap and it will constantly zoom in on the map wherever you tapping. If you do a double-finger tap, the map will zoom out. I like the idea of just being able to tap to zoom in and out, so this is nice. If old, woops!
LyleLanley
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I don't know if this was a feature before, but along these lines if you hold your finger on any one spot it'll drop a pin.
NekoFever
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Yeah, that's been in there for as long as I can remember.
Alright, I think I see why there's variation. Sometimes I get location icons like restaurants or transit stations and sometimes I don't. I'm not sure what triggers one over the other, but you'll never see a location icon overlap a road name. Because these are all vector based, it'll show one or the other, but not both overlapping.
Zooming in of courses fixes this, but at zoomed out levels, I think they should make a priority to show road names over location icons unless the user specifies. Or make a toggle to hide location icons altogether or only show location icons at very zoomed in levels where you get more space.
Example of it not showing Carmine St. because Spunto and Do Hwa are blocking it:
But a little zooming…
Zooming in of courses fixes this, but at zoomed out levels, I think they should make a priority to show road names over location icons unless the user specifies. Or make a toggle to hide location icons altogether or only show location icons at very zoomed in levels where you get more space.
Example of it not showing Carmine St. because Spunto and Do Hwa are blocking it:
But a little zooming…
for those enjoying the geekiness of vector maps, i love how Google's implemented it in their web client - https://maps.google.com/?vector=1 (only works on WebGL-enabled browsers like Chrome and Firefox. can be enabled in Safari through the Develop menu).
go to, say, Stuy Town in NYC (http://goo.gl/kB7O8) and pan around - not only are buildings rendered and shaded in real-time, they've even approximated the shadow creep of the sun.
and DO Hwa is a good place for Korean BBQ if you want to avoid the bustle around K-Town, and don't want to head out to Northern Blvd in Queens.
go to, say, Stuy Town in NYC (http://goo.gl/kB7O8) and pan around - not only are buildings rendered and shaded in real-time, they've even approximated the shadow creep of the sun.
and DO Hwa is a good place for Korean BBQ if you want to avoid the bustle around K-Town, and don't want to head out to Northern Blvd in Queens.
Macho Madness
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No matter what I do, I can't get Maps to prioritize restaurants. The Maps I'm seeing aren't bad, but that still leaves the question of why the arrowed road has no name.
Are you doing a search for restaurants?
Macho Madness
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I see, that makes sense.
Also tried to duplicate the above view for more comparison purposes.I'm assuming the new Maps will have considerably more information than this, and more comparable to that of Google Maps, right?
I'm assuming the new Maps will have considerably more information than this, and more comparable to that of Google Maps, right?
That looks terrible. I'm getting worried that new maps suck.
The heartening thing is that everything labelled on that Google Map is also labelled in the Apple Map, except the Dog Run. The algorithms are currently very aggressive about hiding labels until you get to higher zoom levels. There's also an intentional design choice to be more minimalistic, so we're probably never going to get as busy as Google Maps at the same zoom level, but hopefully they'll go somewhere in-between.
The worst case scenario would be if they actually didn't have the data to label the streets correctly.
I think there are some nice improvements. Being vector allows maps to download very fast--Maps is actually useful on an edge connection, whereas previously it was a pain to use. The Turn-By-Turn is nicer than Turn-By-Turn on Android 2.2 (my only experience), and being able to search for things along your route is nice.
It does. The aggressive hiding of information needs a lot of tweaking, but the larger problem is the data is completely sparse outside the US.
Compare Australia, Japan, China for example. It's a huge downgrade. It's completely barebones, many places don't even have streets named at all. Need to find a restaurant? You're fucked.
I know most people prefer something in between Google's level of clutter and Apple's sparseness, but given a choice between only the two, I'd definitely choose Google.
Marty Chinn
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Ya, but the problem is Apple doesn't let you set default apps so Google Maps will no longer be integrated with the OS. It's one of my big annoyances with iOS because the integration was what attracted me to the iPhone when it was first announced.
I think it's going to suck or be fairly bad out the gate and that there is going to be growing pains with this switch. I think eventually it'l be pretty decent if not good, but it won't be by the time iOS6 is released. It's a shame too because any iPhone user who uses maps will be in many ways be taking a step backward until Apple can get up to speed with Google.
That doesnt bother me too much. I mean, on a larger scale, itd be nice if iOS could set default third party apps to handle things like internet, maps, mail, etc. but my actual daily usage of maps wont be hindered by having a non default google maps third party app.
Im confident that the actual data in the apple maps will be OK since theyre working with Tom Tom. the issue I have with it now is the way theyre choosing to show so few street names (which theyre already tweaking) and the lack of street view (which is google exclusive data.)
as a default maps app that works with siri and gives you turn by turn, the issues I have with the new maps app wouldnt really show up.
I can launch the google app manually to go to street view. pretty much the same thing i do now.
Marty Chinn
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I often get addresses of places in e-mail, like a restaurant to go to and I like to click on the address which takes me to maps and I can check out street view. This change would hinder that flow. Or heck, I often click on an address in various apps or even iMessage, so ya, it all affects the flow for how I use maps in my case.
I understand all the hate at the current state of maps on iOS but I do not understand the predictions that it will suck. You do realize it's in private beta and they are continuing to tweak it. A lot can happen by the time iOS 6 launches. The reality is we just don't know if it will suck or not.
It might not outright "suck" but it'll definitely be a downgrade from Google Maps which has a seven year head start. I think they'll tweak it further and improve it a bunch, but the lack of street view will be a huge complaint.
When I'm talking about in-between, I'm talking about a situation when the data is there, but selectively hidden, not when data is outright missing.
At least with China, I think they're adding info. I might be imagining, but I think they've added a lot more street data recently, at least in Beijing. I don't think there were subway stops there initially.
Mecha_Infantry
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Cool that you can rotate the map like a picture
Two fingers and just swing it around
Two fingers and just swing it around
With Google, even a lot of towns and villages had not just street names and a whole ton of shops and this labelled. With Apple, I can't see the names of some streets in cities. I dunno about Beijing but I'd imagine it's better there.
EDIT: I just checked again and while street names are still a problem it seems there is a lot more information on the maps for China now compared to when the beta first started. Could've sworn the first time I checked there was practically nothing apart from some parks labelled.
I think Australia is getting a bit more populated with data now too, so let's hope that's a trend that will continue through the betas.
Pretty sure there was something like that before but I never used it so I don't know if it's the same as before.There is a rudimentary crowdsourcing feature. I'm pretty sure it wasn't in old maps, but I may be wrong. You can even add info to a random pin you create.
That's nice, I think I'll help Apple populate their maps if this will help.
There's actually more options if you use the "report a problem" link "behind" the map.
You can set a schedule. I have it on a schedule.
Options are in the Notifications area in Settings.
You can set a schedule. I have it on a schedule.
Options are in the Notifications area in Settings.
I did, but it automatically turns off the next day.
Really? That's odd, it's been working for me.
Might be a 3GS thing... ? They've done sillier things.
Could just be a bug - 3GS is probably the device they tested the least, have you filed a report?
Dunno if I can, I "shouldn't have the beta" so to speak.
Macho Madness
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The Do Not Disturb schedule also works just fine on my iPhone 4. I set it to turn on at 11:00 PM, off at 8:00 AM. Works great. I also set it to not allow repeated calls, but allow anyone to call me that's on my contact list. Quite nice.
Mecha_Infantry
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How do you submitt a big to Apple
Only if you have an actual developer account, I think.
Awesome. Apple's solution is a little better than the current iOS Maps, but Android's Maps still shits all over it.
It does suck that we can't set default applications, but perhaps copy and paste will come in handy here.
Macho Madness
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Does Google mean they're bringing turn by turn? That would be great.
Mecha_Infantry
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Thanks