Business wise, I wonder if it's better in general to always do an s upgrade between major releases. Most people have 2 year contracts, and it never feels good to see your brand new toy improved upon drastically in 1 year. 2 years might be that sweet spot where most people outside hardcore fans will upgrade
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I really thought Apple would try to compete with Samsung, but it seems they are leaving the cutting edge of technology to other brands again. They had the edge in the phone market for quite some time, but now it's like their computerline, overpriced, underpowered and late out of the gate.
WordAssassin
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Excuse me? Have you seen any of the examples of Siri? Have you read any of the hands-on impressions from tech blogs that went out of their way to confuse it, and failed? you want to talk about cutting-edge technology, then you need to look no further than Siri and its integration into iOS. This is not Apple fanspeak, this is technogeek fanspeak. Siri is fucking incredible and far, far beyond what other phones can do right now.Kosma said:
Reusing your production assets to allow economies of scales, which makes it easier to lower prices for the entry market while keeping profits high... is a business move that makes sense. Competitors have to sacrifice profits to differentiate with lots of models, it is their only way to exist on the market and it's not an enviable position, from a business perspective. In the end, Apple will keep making insane profits, which will secure future R&D investments and acquisitions. They are here for the long run, not a 2011/2012 spec war battle.Kosma said:
And what about the software announcements? I'll tell you what: it's cutting edge, and it's what counts the most.
Show me a Samsung that exceeds the iPhone 4S in all fields.Kosma said:
Last year when the 4 had the superior screen, people pointed out that their favorite phone had superior speed. Now that the 4S has unmatched speed people are going to complain about not getting a lower dpi screen. Apparently you are not pleased, but some people never are.
Sorry as a Galaxy S2 owner I expected more from Apple. My S2 has the superior screen size, AMOLED which looks orgasmic and blows LCD out of the water, can have up to 80GB memory, super fast dual core that doesn't slow down anything ever, 1 GB RAM.
All this 6 months ago. For 200 euro less.
And there are already better phones on the way. Apple is going from market leader to playing catch up, like in the computerline. I don't think anyone cares about Suri too.
All this 6 months ago. For 200 euro less.
And there are already better phones on the way. Apple is going from market leader to playing catch up, like in the computerline. I don't think anyone cares about Suri too.
Always-honest
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This is how many people think.Kosma said:
The other people buy an iphone.
iamaustrian
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WordAssassin said:
Voice commanding in smartphone will never ever become as relevant as Apple wants it to be.
people are just to shy to do that. Do you really think people will use Siri all the time?
It's a nice gadget but nothing more.
there are still(as advanced as siri might be) to many problems with it. i can see it work probably at home(alone) but not in overcrowded and loud (public) places like subs or shopping malls.
also latest reports suggest that it only works good in english so far. Voice recognition in german i.e. is pretty fucked up. (yes, I know it's beta but still)
Also, anyone else realize they just totally fucked the chronology of the iPhone releases? With the 3GS, they fixed it, but now they messed it up again;
1st iPhone, OG
2nd iPhone, 3G
3rd iPhone, 3GS
4th iPhone, 4
5th iPhone, 4S
What will the next phone be? 5 makes no sense, since it will probably have A6 right? Plus it will actually be the 6th gen. How idiotic to mess it up again, wonder what they'll do.
And again, iPad 3 will = retina, maybe A6, 8mp camera, and siri, right? Will iPad 2 get siri with iOS 5 since it already has A5, or will they make it iPad 3's big thing?
Plus the iPod line with siri integration next year warrants for a new product all together; iPod Siri. Reincarnation of the screenless/buttonless tiny iPod shuffle, basically.
1st iPhone, OG
2nd iPhone, 3G
3rd iPhone, 3GS
4th iPhone, 4
5th iPhone, 4S
What will the next phone be? 5 makes no sense, since it will probably have A6 right? Plus it will actually be the 6th gen. How idiotic to mess it up again, wonder what they'll do.
And again, iPad 3 will = retina, maybe A6, 8mp camera, and siri, right? Will iPad 2 get siri with iOS 5 since it already has A5, or will they make it iPad 3's big thing?
Plus the iPod line with siri integration next year warrants for a new product all together; iPod Siri. Reincarnation of the screenless/buttonless tiny iPod shuffle, basically.
As an iPhone 4 owner (and boy, I do love my iPhone) it is very disappointing that the specs really don't impress at all when compared with a 6 month old, much cheaper phone. You also have to consider that this could be the only iPhone for a year or so, so Apple really will be lagging behind soon.
Another thing, yeah, Siri is quite impressive, actually it's very impressive, but I just can't see me using it personally. Most of the time I'm using my phone (making appointments, tasks, texting, whatever) I wouldn't want to be speaking with it, for the exact reasons iamaustrian mentioned.
I think the main reason people are so disappointed by this is the long wait... if this was released close to June (like they usually are) it would have been met with an amazing reception, but as it is? Nope. In particular I cannot believe the battery life hasn't been improved, nor the screen.
Another thing, yeah, Siri is quite impressive, actually it's very impressive, but I just can't see me using it personally. Most of the time I'm using my phone (making appointments, tasks, texting, whatever) I wouldn't want to be speaking with it, for the exact reasons iamaustrian mentioned.
I think the main reason people are so disappointed by this is the long wait... if this was released close to June (like they usually are) it would have been met with an amazing reception, but as it is? Nope. In particular I cannot believe the battery life hasn't been improved, nor the screen.
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Sentry said:
Iphone 5 will probably still use the A5 (though clocked faster)... just as the iphone 4 used the chip that was in the 3GS, but used it to it's potential (retina).
Iphone 5 could use the extra processing power for something like 3D.
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Zizbuka said:
You know, it could be just a gimmick. But it could also be the beginnings of the revolution in computer control.
It will be up to the masses to decide how useful it is. I'd say it could go either way. Apple always makes these kinds of leaps, and occasionally it falls flat (Apple TV), other times it's just kind of ok, but never really fully taken off (firewire), and other times a huge leap in adoption (iPod, iPhone, iPad). Who knows where Siri will head, but just imagine if it were the latter?
It's the science fiction reality. Talking to your device to control it. It could make computer mice and keyboards irrelevant. Sure, it's pie in the sky now, but maybe that's where it's all headed - movies have told us so!
I can imagine a time, maybe not my time, but a time nevertheless where clicking and typing seem archaic. Hell, right now, I kind of want to just tell my computer to refresh my RSS lists, submit this reply, check the weather for tomorrow, and so on and so forth.
It just takes a bit of imagination.
Siri needs to be online, right?
I just hope it becomes possible to do it offline.
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When is this thing going to be released in Europe?
MarkMclovin
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WordAssassin said:
Not in a million years will Siri be some sort of Godsend for iPhone owners. It's a gimmick which not only has been around for quite some time, but also becomes useless after a while.
The only upgrade I can see here is the camera. Everything else that has been shown has either been available on other phones (and for some time) or is a step backwards, like the size of the screen.
On a personal level, I ended my contract early back in June and got an awesome sim only deal and then bought an unlocked GSII, which the hopes of jumping over to the unlocked iPhone 5 by the end of the year. All I wanted was a similar sized screen, and maybe the phone a little thinner. I would be dropping the use of my widgets, great notifications, integration and customisation when jumping over, but I love the design of the iPhone so that would make up for it.
But now I feel I'd be losing out big time if I did sell up and move over.
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ionicbluebird said:
Citation needed.
brain_stew
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Um, the 4S uses the most advanced SOC on the market today. Performance is absolutely high end.Kosma said:
brain_stew
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I'd expect revised silicon. The A5 is huge compared to most of it's competition so a die shrink to 32nm is long overdue, and with such a huge resolution screen to power, not adding a couple extra SGX543 cores would be shortsighted. No need for any real change on the CPU side other than using the die shrink to boost clocks to ~1.2-1.5GHz.ionicbluebird said:
The real revolution will come a year later, A15 cores and a Series 6 GPU.
Jedeye Sniv
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Kosma said:
And yet I can't play Final Fantasy Tactics on it. Or the Jeff minter games. Or Radballs. Or Monsters Ate My Condo. Or Sword and Sworcery. Or a giant wad of other awesome games.
The hardware may not be technically the best, but the software support is far and away better, and that's all that matters to me.
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I know you are good PC folk Stew.
Ofc it has the fastest CPU now, but is it really that much faster even? Also there are better things on the way already.
The rest of the 4S is really disappointing, no expendable memory again, small lcd screen. Even the big improvement, the 8 megapixel camera isn't amazing anymore, since it's been done.
This 4S just doesn't scream high tech like the S2 did, or the iPhone 4.
I'm not even disappointed by the 4S (in fact, I may jump ship from Android, with which I've been disappointed), but is there any reason why this release was belated compared to the standard 1 year cycle?
This seems to be a 'standard' update (tech bump, same case), so why the extra long wait? I think the reason that people got so hyped was because of the extra long wait (people expecting that Apple was cooking something new up). Is it just for iOS5?
This seems to be a 'standard' update (tech bump, same case), so why the extra long wait? I think the reason that people got so hyped was because of the extra long wait (people expecting that Apple was cooking something new up). Is it just for iOS5?
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Several people and rumors claim that it was either due to iOS 5 / iCloud not being ready, or hardware delays.NZer said:
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starok said:
With a controller.
Jill Sandwich
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iOS5, cloud services, the tsunami in Japan, sun spots, alien astronauts...
Jedeye Sniv
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Kosma said:
But that's just emulation for which most of the time you're going to be stealing roms so it's an ethical minefield, especially somewhere like GAF. And those games aren't designed for that interface, it's a compromise. Yeah you can use a controller, but using a pag that's bigger than the screen you're playing on is just weird.
For me games and software support (like the music apps which are stunning) is the biggest problem, and I don't really think the open-source nature of the platform really helps with this either, despite what enthusiasts say.
I'll stop this now though, it feels like a repeat of the same argument I had on Facebook yesterday and I don't think this is the thread for it.
Jedeye Sniv
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Utako said:
Be snarky if you like but it's true. I use a PC for the exact same reason. If I need a program it's right there, if I want a Mac program I have to look harder. And it's the same reason I use an iPhone. I only care about brands as much as I can get what I want on them. I don't understand why anyone would do otherwise.
Diprosalic
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Kosma said:
i think nobody can deny that but i use like 3 apps in total and they are on android as well.
technically the 4S is the most advanced SoC on the mobile market. the CPU pulls roughly even with the Samsung's but Apple's pairs it with a far better graphics component by comparison (see: ipad 2 benchies)
besides, that speed is somewhat immaterial when comparing Android to iOS as a whole. iOS's interface is hardware-acceelerated, Android's isn't (yet). iOS will always feel a little faster in normal use until that's rectified.
besides, that speed is somewhat immaterial when comparing Android to iOS as a whole. iOS's interface is hardware-acceelerated, Android's isn't (yet). iOS will always feel a little faster in normal use until that's rectified.
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Kosma said:
I keep seeing people say this but it never is close to the truth. Much like the wii, Marketshare seems to be meaningless here.
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It's a pretty well documented statistic that Android users buy substantially less apps. This, paired with the fact that Android handsets have a wide variety of chips in them...what's the point?krypt0nian said:
You come out with something, hardly anyone buys it, and the people who do buy it aren't necessarily going to have the best experience with your product.
Unless you've got a megahit like Angry Birds (which isn't graphically complicated), than you're best using your resources elsewhere.
Great games don't have to be graphically complicated...but all the big boys making games right now are focusing on graphics. Gameloft, Square, Chair (Epic), EA, Madfinger...all of these companies make some pretty awesome games, and they are all doing it with graphics at the forefront of their process.
Admittedly gaming on iOS devices isn't exactly a full-fledged experience to console gaming due to the input method, but at least they're trying their asses off against iOS and succeeding all over the place.
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