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krypt0nian said:
We're talking Marketshare. It's cumulative by default.
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apples market share is made up of phones that have 3-4 different processors and GPUs. 3 of those combos are going to continue to be sold for the next year.

ios devs need to concern themselves with 2.5 year old 3GS tech just like android devs

even low end phones now mostly achieve the ~600MHz standard of Droid1/Hero/3GS. 40% of phones run 2.3 and almost everything is 2.0 or up at this point. There aren't that many completely useless outdated androids out there
 
Narpas Sword0 said:
apples market share is made up of phones that have 3-4 different processors and GPUs. 3 of those combos are going to continue to be sold for the next year.

ios devs need to concern themselves with 2.5 year old 3GS tech just like android devs
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Not even in the same ballpark.

Again, until sales data shows that android users are buying apps, none of this matters are devs are staying put in iOS land.
 
VanMardigan said:
I can't set up a proper field goal if you keep moving the goalposts dammit!!
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Bullshit. Compare and contrast the few chipsets of iOS to the multitudes of android phones. You're just being argumentative for the sake of it now.

Or better yet, please let me know why there aren't devs making games/apps for android to the extent that the Marketshare should provide.
 
Narpas Sword0 said:
even low end phones now mostly achieve the ~600MHz standard of Droid1/Hero/3GS. 40% of phones run 2.3 and almost everything is 2.0 or up at this point. There aren't that many completely useless outdated androids out there
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600Mhz ARM11 with no decent GPU is very different to the 3GS' Cortex A8 + SGX535 combo. The 3GS SoC is pretty similar to an underclocked A4.
 
For those wondering, the Apple Store page might not even come back at 3AM Eastern on the dot. I was up the entire night at my computer for iPhone 4 and didn't get the order in until between 5 to 7AM. Verizon iPhone was a little easier, if I remember right.
 
krypt0nian said:
Bullshit. Compare and contrast the few chipsets of iOS to the multitudes of android phones. You're just being argumentative for the sake of it now.
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Well, we had established that the best selling Android phones were in fact the high end ones, despite your statement to the contrary. This would in fact compare favorably to the iPhone 3GS/iPhone 4/4S situation, but then you put on a tornado of spin and changed the rules of the debate again.

Developers on either side can just code to the highest spec. It's not like PC games are held back by the multitude of slower computers or the differences in hardware. Your argument is just bunk.

Or better yet, please let me know why there aren't devs making games/apps for android to the extent that the Marketshare should provide.
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Well, this is one aspect you actually had right (before you used the tech split argument, which is bunk): iOS users buy more apps. If someone disputed that, I missed it, but the point being made was that, if the Android marketshare growth continues to outpace iOS growth, that too will change.
 
For what it's worth, I do agree that having free 3GS phones out there does artificially extend the life of the 3GS and therefore will likely be a consideration for devs.

That being said, the consumer who is willing to walk out of the store with a free 3GS instead of a $99 iPhone 4 is probably not the type of customer who is going to be spending a lot of money on apps, anyways. An assumption, but not all that far fetched of one I'd think.

If I was a dev, I'd focus purely on optimizing against the 4 and the 4S.

...actually, if I was a dev, I'd make a game that ran well across all 3 iPhone models since games like Cut the Rope and Angry Birds and Tiny Birds and Fruit Ninja are the types of apps that hang out at the top of the list. Things like Infinity Blade or Shadowgun or NOVA will peak early and then drop until there is a sale.
 
Gooster said:
For those wondering, the Apple Store page might not even come back at 3AM Eastern on the dot. I was up the entire night at my computer for iPhone 4 and didn't get the order in until between 5 to 7AM. Verizon iPhone was a little easier, if I remember right.
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Well the Verizon launch was smaller and the 4 was already out on ATT. I don't think this launch will be as big as the last iPhone given the negativity on the S from some people.
 
How accurate is the voice recognition on the Siri app?

The one thing I would like to use that for is having emails read to me in the car and then responding if it was accurate and fast enough. I can't imagine it being better than Dragon, which while nice, is something I never use in the office because I would rather type out my letter, briefs, etc. instead of speaking it. Siri seems to be a pretty limited use app if it is on par with the stuff I have seen from Android phones.

Too bad it isn't supported on my iPhone4 anyways so it isn't like it will be an option for me. I am sure it will be useful to a lot of people though. Hell most of GAF and the internet claims FT to be worthless but I use it all the time to talk to my wife and kids.
 
Anyone want to sell me their iPhone 4? I'll take it for $250, if its condition is good. PM me. AT&T
 
krypt0nian said:
And again the claim that Marketshare will bring the devs.
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Hasn't it already? Isn't the number of apps on Android in the hundreds of thousands? Aren't the top 90-95% iOS apps represented on Android? What more proof do you want?
 
bionic77 said:
How accurate is the voice recognition on the Siri app?

The one thing I would like to use that for is having emails read to me in the car and then responding if it was accurate and fast enough. I can't imagine it being better than Dragon, which while nice, is something I never use in the office because I would rather type out my letter, briefs, etc. instead of speaking it. Siri seems to be a pretty limited use app if it is on par with the stuff I have seen from Android phones.

Too bad it isn't supported on my iPhone4 anyways so it isn't like it will be an option for me. I am sure it will be useful to a lot of people though. Hell most of GAF and the internet claims FT to be worthless but I use it all the time to talk to my wife and kids.
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The same company that makes Dragon Naturally Speaking provides the voice recognition software used in Siri. All the development of Siri itself is more what to do with that information, but the input is provided by Nuance (people who make Dragon).

Shame you weren't able to get a hold of the Siri app before it went down. It's a fun little demo of the voice recognition (crazy how easily it picks up on what I say) and only had half of the features of this new iteration of it.

Pretty jacked about it.
 
I'm upgrading to the 4S, coming from a Blackberry Tour (9630). This will be a very nice upgrade for me, and I even get to stay with Sprint. I'm somewhat relieved they didn't go for a whole new design. I feared the teardrop design would happen. Can't wait.
 
RubxQub said:
The same company that makes Dragon Naturally Speaking provides the voice recognition software used in Siri. All the development of Siri itself is more what to do with that information, but the input is provided by Nuance (people who make Dragon).

Shame you weren't able to get a hold of the Siri app before it went down. It's a fun little demo of the voice recognition (crazy how easily it picks up on what I say) and only had half of the features of this new iteration of it.

Pretty jacked about it.
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I guess it is one of those features that you will only know how well it fits you when you actually get a phone and use it in your daily routine.

Doesn't seem like that is going to happen for the iPhone4. Seeing how shitty the new OSs were for the 3G I will give Apple the benefit of the doubt that my iPhone4 is not up to the task.
 
bionic77 said:
I guess it is one of those features that you will only know how well it fits you when you actually get a phone and use it in your daily routine.

Doesn't seem like that is going to happen for the iPhone4. Seeing how shitty the new OSs were for the 3G I will give Apple the benefit of the doubt that my iPhone4 is not up to the task.
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The app was already available on iPhone 4. Even if you want to try the dubious argument that the 4 didn't have the technical ability to do Siri integration, pulling the app from the marketplace to force upgrades is a scum move.
 
ToD_ said:
I'm upgrading to the 4S, coming from a Blackberry Tour (9630). This will be a very nice upgrade for me, and I even get to stay with Sprint. I'm somewhat relieved they didn't go for a whole new design. I feared the teardrop design would happen. Can't wait.
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Exactly how I feel. I feel like the current design is close to perfect. If they got rid of that terrible glass back, I think it would be perfect.
 
Well, I am the position that I'm up for upgrade (verizon) - along with my 3 other phones for all the girls in the my house.

I was honestly very excited about iphone 5 with bigger retina display - but alas, no avail - but my wife, sister-in-law and my niece all wanted iphones so I think I'll be preordering 3 4S's this friday and myself will hold until Nexus Prime's unveil and see if I like the specs better on that one.... or even a Galaxy Note (if it gets released on Verizon..)

I was very interested in SGS2 - but no SGS2 on Verizon.. so Nexus Prime would be the closest and more up-to-date cousin for that...
 
VanMardigan said:
The app was already available on iPhone 4. Even if you want to pull the dubious argument that the 4 didn't have the technical ability to do Siri integration, pulling the app from the marketplace to force upgrades is a scum move.
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Yeah I agree that pulling it from the marketplace is very shady.

I am just saying I am giving Apple the benefit of the doubt when they say an older phone can't handle a new feature or OS after the debacle that was OS 4 on the 3G (which Apple said could not handle it and they were right).
 
VanMardigan said:
Hasn't it already? Isn't the number of apps on Android in the hundreds of thousands? Aren't the top 90-95% iOS apps represented on Android? What more proof do you want?
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Just a quick check since I've never looked (paid apps):

No - #1 - Where's My Water (game, not graphic intensive, Disney published)
Yes - #2 - Angry Birds
Yes - #3 - Fruit Ninja
Yes - #4 - Angry Birds Seasons
Whatever - #5 - Camera+ (meh...doesn't count)
Whatever - #6 - My Secret Folder (meh...doesn't count)
Yes - #7 - Angry Birds Rio
Yes - #8 - WhatsAppMessanger
Yes - #9 - TuneInRadio Pro
Yes - #10 - Cut the Rope
No - #11 - Tiny Wings (game, not graphic intensive, independent dev)
No - #12 - FIFA Soccer 12 (game, graphic intensive, EA)
No - #13 - Zombie Highway (game, graphic intensive, independent dev)
No - #14 - The Game of Life (game, graphic intensive, EA)
Whatever - #15 - Pimp My Screen (meh...doesn't count)
Whatever - #16 - Free Music Download Pro (meh...doesn't count)
Yes - #17 - Doodle Jump
Yes - #18 - Jelly Defense
Whatever - #19 - Flashlight
No - #20 - Bejeweled 2 + Blitz (game, not graphic intensive, PopCap)..other versions available
No - #21 - Monopoly (game, kinda graphic intensive, EA)
Yes - #22 - The Moron Test
No - #23 - NCAA Football (game, graphic intensive, EA)
No - #24 - Plants vs Zombies (game, not graphic intensive, PopCap)
Yes - #25 - Asphalt 6: Adrenaline

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Pretty much fit my expectations. Doesn't have most of the games, and the big publishers are mostly ignoring the platform.
 
ruxtpin said:
Excited for my first iPhone! Woo!

4S, I cannot wait for you to come to my hands.
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I remember those carefree salad days, enjoy it before you become a forum warrior an become jaded of the next announcement doesn't get you as excited as previous announcement.
 
RubxQub said:
Just a quick check since I've never looked (paid apps):

No - #1 - Where's My Water (game, not graphic intensive, Disney published)
Yes - #2 - Angry Birds
Yes - #3 - Fruit Ninja
Yes - #4 - Angry Birds Seasons
Whatever - #5 - Camera+ (meh...doesn't count)
Whatever - #6 - My Secret Folder (meh...doesn't count)
Yes - #7 - Angry Birds Rio
Yes - #8 - WhatsAppMessanger
Yes - #9 - TuneInRadio Pro
Yes - #10 - Cut the Rope
No - #11 - Tiny Wings (game, not graphic intensive, independent dev)
No - #12 - FIFA Soccer 12 (game, graphic intensive, EA)
No - #13 - Zombie Highway (game, graphic intensive, independent dev)
No - #14 - The Game of Life (game, graphic intensive, EA)
Whatever - #15 - Pimp My Screen (meh...doesn't count)
Whatever - #16 - Free Music Download Pro (meh...doesn't count)
Yes - #17 - Doodle Jump
Yes - #18 - Jelly Defense
Whatever - #19 - Flashlight
No - #20 - Bejeweled 2 + Blitz (game, not graphic intensive, PopCap)..other versions available
No - #21 - Monopoly (game, kinda graphic intensive, EA)
Yes - #22 - The Moron Test
No - #23 - NCAA Football (game, graphic intensive, EA)
No - #24 - Plants vs Zombies (game, not graphic intensive, PopCap)
Yes - #25 - Asphalt 6: Adrenaline

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Pretty much fit my expectations. Doesn't have most of the games, and the big publishers are mostly ignoring the platform.
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And when lined up with the marketshares even further illustrates my point.

There is no reason to believe that the devs are going to move from its to android as Kosmo suggested. Yet people keep saying its going to happen. Haha
 
krypt0nian said:
And when lined up with the marketshares even further illustrates my point.

There is no reason to believe that the devs are going to move from its to android as Kosmo suggested. Yet people keep saying its going to happen. Haha
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it's because people can't see the differences between windows market share dominance and android market share dominance.

with windows, developers made more money focusing on that platform and the majority of all industry profits were there. marketshare and profitshare went hand in hand

with android, developers are making almost no money and the majority of industry profits are with the iphone and iOS in general, depsite having lower marketshare.

saying that developers will move to android because of marketshare is lazy, lazy thinking. they already have marketshare - people need to start making money off of it.
 
GAF, I need your advice.

I live in a small town in BC and if I want to get an iphone 4s, I'm gonna have to cross the border and head to Grande Prairie to get it. I'm thinking about ordering it online, but I'm not sure how long I'm going to have to wait. This wouldn't normally be a problem, but I'm planning a trip to Vancouver early next month and I'd like to have an iphone by then.

Should I chance doing a border run, knowing that I might not get it for a while, or should I order it online?
 
RubxQub said:
Just a quick check since I've never looked (paid apps):

No - #1 - Where's My Water (game, not graphic intensive, Disney published)
Yes - #2 - Angry Birds
Yes - #3 - Fruit Ninja
Yes - #4 - Angry Birds Seasons
Whatever - #5 - Camera+ (meh...doesn't count)
Whatever - #6 - My Secret Folder (meh...doesn't count)
Yes - #7 - Angry Birds Rio
Yes - #8 - WhatsAppMessanger
Yes - #9 - TuneInRadio Pro
Yes - #10 - Cut the Rope
No - #11 - Tiny Wings (game, not graphic intensive, independent dev)
No - #12 - FIFA Soccer 12 (game, graphic intensive, EA)
No - #13 - Zombie Highway (game, graphic intensive, independent dev)
No - #14 - The Game of Life (game, graphic intensive, EA)
Whatever - #15 - Pimp My Screen (meh...doesn't count)
Whatever - #16 - Free Music Download Pro (meh...doesn't count)
Yes - #17 - Doodle Jump
Yes - #18 - Jelly Defense
Whatever - #19 - Flashlight
No - #20 - Bejeweled 2 + Blitz (game, not graphic intensive, PopCap)..other versions available
No - #21 - Monopoly (game, kinda graphic intensive, EA)
Yes - #22 - The Moron Test
No - #23 - NCAA Football (game, graphic intensive, EA)
No - #24 - Plants vs Zombies (game, not graphic intensive, PopCap)
Yes - #25 - Asphalt 6: Adrenaline

....

Pretty much fit my expectations. Doesn't have most of the games, and the big publishers are mostly ignoring the platform.
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PvZ is available from the Amazon App store. Don't know why they haven't put it on the Android Market yet.
 
I have an Iphone 3g...go with the 4S OR wait for the nexus prime ...and what carrier? ugh...

I like my iphone, but the apps I use are pretty limited. I use my ipad 2 for most of the games apps etc...
 
People with experience with iPhone launches-

I'm a Verizon customer that is eligible for an upgrade. How do I get this on the 14th, guaranteed? If I preorder online will it ship and arrive by the 14th? Or do I have to go in-store for that?
 
acevans2 said:
People with experience with iPhone launches-

I'm a Verizon customer that is eligible for an upgrade. How do I get this on the 14th, guaranteed? If I preorder online will it ship and arrive by the 14th? Or do I have to go in-store for that?
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I am very curious about this as well. Wondering if Verizon will be doing this on their site or if I have to order it from Apple. I am up for a upgrade so want to make sure I get the good price.
 
pringles said:
I think I'll just stay with my 3GS until the iPhone 5.
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You will most likely be waiting quite a while. Until LTE chipsets start being less power hungry I assume Apple won't push the phone out the door.

My deciding factor for getting the 4s is the amount of paid apps I have already purchased on my iPad. Being a sprint customer, I can finally use my apps on both device.
 
acevans2 said:
People with experience with iPhone launches-

I'm a Verizon customer that is eligible for an upgrade. How do I get this on the 14th, guaranteed? If I preorder online will it ship and arrive by the 14th? Or do I have to go in-store for that?
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preorder online and, unless demand is way beyond expectations, you should get it day of.
 
Anyone know if you can apply things like employee discounts when you pre-order? My wife is going to be getting one this time around and she's dead set on getting her employer discount applied.
 
has this been mentioned?

http://appadvice.com/appnn/2011/10/applecare-debuts-on-october-14th

for $99 a year you get AppleCare+ which includes ACCIDENTAL damage (this is HUGE)
for 2 instances ($49 surcharge per instance)

So if you drop it in water or drop it on floor and your phone is done for, you can practically get it replaced for $49 within 2 years of purchase.


This is a huge incentive
 
So, this may have been asked before but why is Twitter integration to iOS considered OK? I'm honestly curious. Doesn't that violate some antitrust laws or something? What I mean is, why is Twitter getting the special treatment.

No one else can ever even come close to having that kind of integration into the OS without Apple themselves coding it it and I find it a little, weird.
 
MThanded said:
You will most likely be waiting quite a while. Until LTE chipsets start being less power hungry I assume Apple won't push the phone out the door.
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Apple won't wait. You'll see a new phone this time next year, as per usual. That's how they treated HSPA+, that's how they treated EVDO, and that's clearly what works best for their bottom line. LTE/WiMax are nice but nobody will give a damn that it's missing if they push out a new phone design generation with the usual assortment of new specs and software.

Snkfanatic: If you order via Apple roughly around when preorders open, they have a pretty good history of getting it delivered to you on launch day (Even in Canada that's how it worked for iPad1). The trouble is whether they will do upgrade purchasing via the website. I'd be surprised if they have that ability, but I've never tried it before.

Verizon's site may be the safer option for upgrades but like any phone company they should have no expectation of shipping you a phone by the 14th let alone delivering it.

Speaking from experience with the Canadian telcos, waiting at an Apple Store line gives you the best chance of picking up an instore phone, but buying on upgrade can extend your spot in line 3-5hours if (as usual) all of the provider servers crash that morning. Buying unlocked is obviously faster but far more expensive.
 
Reading comments about smart phone processors reminds me of mid 90's PC talk. With some posters all comparisons seem to start and end with the number before those three important letters.
 
3GS owner here, will have my new 32GB white 4S a week from Friday! I can see why many of you iPhone 4 owners are less than enthusiastic about the 4S but there are tons of off-contract 3GS customers who are really going to enjoy the huge leap forward.

I was at least as interested (if not more so) by the speakers and their roles as I was for the hardware and iOS announcements. Tim came out and presented the usual staggering statistics, then disappeared to his front row seat. Scott got his usual iOS time, then Phil.

As Phil stumbled into the 4S I thought the iPhone 5 was nailed on and would be presented by Tim. When Phil kept talking and talking it became obvious that there was nothing more. I think it was a conscious decision to let Phil introduce the spec bump so that Tim could keep some distance from it, even though he acknowledged it was his first product launch as CEO at the beginning.

I fully expected a new form factor based on the time frame but can understand the 4S from a sales perspective. They already had the #1 phone and made it much better. Most of their customers probably can't recite the specs from memory but know how much they enjoy using the product.
 
For show offers (I admit I do show off my new phone occasionally) the new iPhone looks the same as the previous one, no one will know i have a 4S!
 
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