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Marty Chinn
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I agree with this. Is anyone really looking at their iPhone 4/4S and wishing it was thinner by just a slight fraction?
I think they will push for something bt4 insteadWireless charging, NFC, camera stabilizer, generally improved camera... For example
You make it sound as if it is the consumer's role to come up with the new ideas and innovation. People want something new and exciting and of course they don't know exactly what they want. Or else Apple wouldn't be the biggest company around today.
Is using gloves with a phone really that big of a deal? Is that the sort of thing that would have improved the iPhone 5's showing?
They already sell gloves that can be used with capacitive screens, so it's not as if they've overcome some huge issue with touchscreen technology. The only people who'd really care about this are those that are too stylish or hip to wear touchscreen gloves, and can now enjoy their designer gloves with a smartphone (at the cost of having to restrict themselves to one particular model of phone).
I think that's a great example of what I was talking about -- small refinements that are highly niche and situational, being trumpeted by manufacturers as if they're huge game changers. These things are nice, and they are convenient, but you are never again going to get the feeling you had when you first saw a Retina Display or when Apple unveiled the OG iPhone.
As some of you know, i've been anal about this fact since the elongation rumors came to fruition.
We know they were working on a 3:2 4" approach as well, and that design could've been as thin as the new iPod touch (6.1mm);
And that would be possible because the physical width would be widened by 8.2mm. That's from the leaked dimensions we know about.. Instead, they've opted for a simpler approach in changing the screen size.
Who knows, maybe they'll go back to 3:2 in a year or two, and widen the phone and screen.
Well why didn't they then? The iPhone 4S has bluetooth4, even the mac mini from last year has bt4. I was waiting all event for some cool bluetooth features but nada
Chittagong
Gold Member
I remember seeing a parody site mocking up iPhone 5 advertising prior to the launch, something along the lines of "with iPhone 5, Apple out-iPhones the iPhone." I think they picked up on the idea.
It works for other thing than payments.
With that speaker you only put your phone there and it starts playing the music from your phone without pairing or any configuration, and I showed that speaker because it has wireless charging incorporated, so that Lumia is charging the battery as well as using its NFC capabilities in a gimmicky but awesome form just by putting it on the top of the speaker.
CrankyKong
Member
So no new bumper case?
nhlducks35
Member
Guys, if I want to trade the IP4 at Best Buy, do I wait until I get the iPhone 5 and activate it or can I just trade it in?
N Coward Parody
Member
I think the phone looks fantastic. If so much of the phone hadn't leaked ahead of time there'd be a lot more nerd froth but that doesn't change the fact it's an exceptional product.
Damn, I must say, the phone is sexy as hell. But I really don't see anything that this does, that the 4S doesn't do.
Marty Chinn
Member
Why though? I don't get this excuse. What leaked other than the screen size would have been surprising or so great? We didn't even see great usage of the extra screen space during the evening. Ways Apple could really take advantage of this. I was hoping to see this from the keynote today with some refinements in iOS that took advantage of this. We got just another row of icons and all Apple software to have more vertical space.
Surely you haven't forgotten Siri. Nokia didn't trumpet the touchscreen tech much by the way, they just unveiled it and moved on.
But I'm not sure what the message you're trying to convey here is. Is it Apple will just be like everyone else coming out with uninspired products?
Well... okay then.
chickdigger802
Banned
good call. Odd that apple didn't introduce a new accessory for their new phone. I guess they were a bit short on time. A lot of stuff to show off today.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Was there no new iPhone case to replace the bumper?
No new dock for lightning?
No new dock for lightning?
We can't even accurately forecast events happening one year into the future. You've got to be pretty naive to think that this "Steve Jobs roadmap" (assuming it even exists) will be sufficient to carry Apple for a few years.
Yeah, I never really liked the look of IOS, and thought if not for the Apple name, people would deem it ugly also.
But one thing I can give it, is that it works like a charm, and is pretty efficient.
This is a cool trick, but ultimately kind of stupid. Using AirPlay and hooking into my existing stereo, being able to change the song while walking around makes a hell of allot more sense than walking up to the radio like its the 1950's.
In practical terms what exactly is that accomplishing that a regular dock isn't?
The Faceless Master
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LightofRohan
Member
I agree. But also it's how products evolve, a little at a time. But i'd be cool w/ the 4 weight/thickness.
I just want the better camera and to play w/ Siri...
Exactly. I don't get the "Steve wouldn't accept this" statements at all (as well as the fact that I'm pretty sure Steve did play a major role in the iPhone 5, as well as possible future iPhones).
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Deleted member 8095
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Does this phone make my penis bigger?
Nicktendo86
Member
Indeed these things are nice and this is another example of my "oh why didn't I think of that" analogy, yes they sell gloves that do this but a screen with the ability to do it with any glove is an improvement, what does the iPhone 5 improve?
Between the time of the original to 4, iPhones in both software and hardware is much further ahead than the competition now. Many people agree that 4 is still the best design yet so the jump from 3GS to 4 can be said to be pretty big. A number of people were disappointed with the 4S, but they got Siri and it was just a smaller jump as indicated by 4S so most people was fine with it. But now you get a jump to 5 and it seems to has less new things than the iterations before it and the competition has mostly caught up by now.
Surely if you think more about it you can come to that conclusion.
Seriously dude? I'm a hipster because I don't buy capacitive screen friendly gloves? That Nokia tech is very awesome, something we should have had long ago, its a clear improvement in mobile tech, and you can rest assured that as long as they didn't patent it and/or dont intend to license it, that 2 years from now that feature will be a STANDARD on smartphones.....
How you could even muster up the cajones to rally against such a clearly nice quality of life feature is ridiculous. Give some credit where it's due dude.
RukusProvider
Banned
I'll see it in person first. Have had a 3G and then iphone4 but might jump ship this time out.
How many different devices with NFC? How many devices compatible with iPhone dock?
Even if the iPhone supported NFC, most people would still get a dock as there are many to choose from, and they are cheaper.
You asked if NFC does something other than payments, I provided an example, just like border ask what other people wanted from the iPhone and when someone answered that a touch screen that worked with gloves would be great he as well was dismissive to the idea, its as if Apple never gave tiny, niche functions that made user experience better all of a sudden.
So Apple has never pushed things that are not prevalent at the time of when they released products??
chickdigger802
Banned
well... it's taller than other iphones.
You can say it's an 'enlarged' iphone 4
The hottest thing about the new iPhone is the fine edges, why would they cover that up? Th glass back of the iPhone 4/S was what made it beautiful, and the bumper kept that in mind by exposing it.
There's no reason for them to make a new bumper for this. Not to mention the fact that the trim is no longer plain stainless steel anymore, it's actually imbedded into the device not just physically (with the back plate) but tone wise as well. A colorful bumper would do disseverance to the back and it's overall color flow with the rest of the device. Who knows, maybe they will bring out updated bumpers, but I sure as hell wouldn't use one.
If there's ever been an iPhone to use totally naked, it's this one.
The Faceless Master
Member
yes, you can use it for porn.
Now that stuff has settled down a bit, my thoughts on the new iPhone:
Also fuck the charcoal haters.
- I think it's really good, competitive value for money in the phone market. I know, I'm disappointed there wasn't SecretAppleFeature or OneMoreThing in this conference too, but it seems like they've really taken into account a lot of stuff that makes a good phone and exceeded what came before. Increased battery life and the camera stuff are the biggest sells for me.
- It seems like Apple understands what I want out of my camera, clarity over resolution. Low light optimization is HUGE and people were clowning that shit in the conference thread. I would have liked higher resolution too, but at this point I can deal with anything better than in my current 3GS. Optimization matters a lot.
- The screen stuff is cool too, the blogs I was following didn't mention any of the stuff about the increase in colour saturation and reduction in the glass size over the screen to decrease glare. That stuff matters more to me than the marginally larger screen.
- What I'm still curious about is PassBook. How does it work, exactly? It seems like a pipe dream their rushing out early. Have they announced partners yet for it, or who will support it and how? It all seems a bit muddy, and the most mysterious. I still can't see myself using it often, but it's more interesting than the new maps and stuff.
- People are underrating it because it doesn't produce liquid magic out of the headphone jack, but I think Apple has done a good job considering the crazy engineering gone into making it so small and yet better in many physical ways too. I appreciate beauty in engineering like that.
Also fuck the charcoal haters.
Thinner & Lighter.
Marty Chinn
Member
The app store came with the 3G, not the 3GS. In each of those upgrades, there was a significant hardware and/or software component. It's easily arguable what we've been given this time doesn't stack up against what they've given in the past.
After championing Android for for the past 3 years, I'm switching sides now.
Had on OG iPhone for a while, then switched to Android phones while I carried an iPod Touch. While I definitely enjoyed the Custom ROM scene for Android, the past year has been quite a painful ordeal to have a fully functional phone updated with a recent OS. Not even using Cyanogenmod stable builds cut it.
Apple strategy of making all OS updates available for all their products asures me I will have the most up-to-date OS for at least 2 years. Everyday I'm depending more on my phone being stable and having everything functioning the way it should be.
And, after 3 years of living in a state of denial, I can accept that the App selection for Android fucking sucks. How is it remotely acceptable that the only acceptable way of using Facebook on an Android phone is through the web browser!?!?
I will miss the seamless, super efficient Google integration of Android, and I still don't know what am I going to do without a native GTalk client, but for the time being I'm done using an Android phone.
Had on OG iPhone for a while, then switched to Android phones while I carried an iPod Touch. While I definitely enjoyed the Custom ROM scene for Android, the past year has been quite a painful ordeal to have a fully functional phone updated with a recent OS. Not even using Cyanogenmod stable builds cut it.
Apple strategy of making all OS updates available for all their products asures me I will have the most up-to-date OS for at least 2 years. Everyday I'm depending more on my phone being stable and having everything functioning the way it should be.
And, after 3 years of living in a state of denial, I can accept that the App selection for Android fucking sucks. How is it remotely acceptable that the only acceptable way of using Facebook on an Android phone is through the web browser!?!?
I will miss the seamless, super efficient Google integration of Android, and I still don't know what am I going to do without a native GTalk client, but for the time being I'm done using an Android phone.
Only if they were actually useful to most people and the technology was fully baked.
So A6, 4" screen, and LTE is minor?
Like Thunderbolt or Siri?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Welcome to the winning team, son. You're in the big leagues now.
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Deleted member 8095
Unconfirmed Member
I've jerked it so many times while watching porn on my iPhone 4. I feel bad for whoever ends up purchasing it from me.
Siri's very useful to me. Use it a lot when I'm driving in particular.
Buckethead
Banned
I want that new iTunes now.
Also a dark skin version.
Also a dark skin version.
Nicktendo86
Member
Just out of interest, what phone do you have and what stability problems are you having?
edgefusion
Member
Just fyi, you will have the latest update in 2 years but it will run like absolute horseshit. This is coming from an iPhone 3G owner where it took almost a full minute to load Facebook and close to 30 seconds to open a text message. Not to mention my iPad 1 which is starting to become a jittery, useless mess (and is exempt from iOS 6).
The current iTunes has a dark version so presumably the new one will too, unless they chose to remove it I guess.
NFC is old news, everything it can do can already be done by the wireless protocols on the phone. It was originally made as a low power key fob device to pay for gas, not sure why suddenly it is a killer app for smartphones.