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fuck qualcomm

because of the way they price their SoCs and radios on top of the inherent increased power consumption if you go with another company's SoC you also pay more for the radio

and since qualcomm offer the best mobile radios in the biz you'd be hardpressed to get an alternative. so when qualcomm fucks up generation after generation, putting out misfire after misfire, they still end up in every phone because of their fucking radios. now it's got to the point where phone makers can't even find an alternative if they wanted to--mediatek and all the other budget makers give you exactly what you pay for and nobody else is even bothering anymore (intel was the last great hope and they bowed out a year or two ago).

 

[blu]

fuck qualcomm

because of the way they price their SoCs and radios on top of the inherent increased power consumption if you go with another company's SoC you also pay more for the radio

and since qualcomm offer the best mobile radios in the biz you'd be hardpressed to get an alternative. so when qualcomm fucks up generation after generation, putting out misfire after misfire, they still end up in every phone because of their fucking radios. now it's got to the point where phone makers can't even find an alternative if they wanted to--mediatek and all the other budget makers give you exactly what you pay for and nobody else is even bothering anymore (intel was the last great hope and they bowed out a year or two ago).

That's because Intel were hell-bent to feed their crappy atoms to everybody. Intel need an armv8 license yesterday.

 

[chromhound]

Android need to go on a diet

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Why not, Samsung wins just by looking alone.

damn is this the new pro-Android argument?

how times have changed.

 

[giga]

The numbers in the OP aren't just CPU tests.

https://browser.geekbench.com/ios-benchmarks/




I think 3D is by far the best overall judge of the power of hardware. Also, I never said Xeon is desktop class?



Where?

http://www.ubergizmo.com/products/lang/en_us/devices/galaxy-s8,iphone-7/

Note, only offscreen tests use the same resolution. And the S8 wins about every time...

That's an iPhone 7 vs an S8. Are we comparing year old phones?

 

[Turbo Killer]

The butthurt in every Apple topic is something special.

 

[rambis]

All the benches I've seen put the A10x way ahead of the Tegra X1 on GPU tests. The A9X and X1 were more of a toss-up.



Yeah, Apple's like three gens ahead of Qualcomm/Samsung/Huawei on Javascript/web browser tests.

Yet Apple with the thinnest APIs in the game gets outperformed by the S8 in 3D tests. Hmmm

That's an iPhone 7 vs an S8. Are we comparing year old phones?

Did you not read any poats before that one or...

 

[snap]

That's because Intel were hell-bent to feed their crappy atoms to everybody. Intel need an armv8 license yesterday.

hey at a certain price they were fine. The Zenfone 2's subsidized Atom cost Asus as much as a Mediatek but performed on-par with Qualcomm's midrange or higher.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

The butthurt in every Apple topic is something special.

it really never gets old.

 

[flamingotripod]

I have a iphone 6 right now and am looking to upgrade, is the iphone X a better buy than the 8 plus? or are you just paying extra for aesthetics?

 

[giga]

Yet Apple with the thinnest APIs in the game gets outperformed by the S8 in 3D tests. Hmmm



Did you not read any poats before that one or...

I saw iPhone 7 discussion over geekbench and CPU performance, but not the GPU.

 

[ZOONAMI]

All the benches I've seen put the A10x way ahead of the Tegra X1 on GPU tests. The A9X and X1 were more of a toss-up.



Yeah, Apple's like three gens ahead of Qualcomm/Samsung/Huawei on Javascript/web browser tests.

Have we seen any benches on the Kirin 970? Huawei has already caught/surpassed Samsung and Qualcomm, so if anyone will start to catch up to apple I bet it will be huawei.

 

[ZOONAMI]

I have a iphone 6 right now and am looking to upgrade, is the iphone X a better buy than the 8 plus? or are you just paying extra for aesthetics?

You’re paying more for oled, a slightly larger screen and better native display resolution, and not having Touch ID, essentially. Also ois on the 2nd camera and I believe a better fstop on the second camera as well. The guts are exactly the same.

 

[Fhtagn]

I have a iphone 6 right now and am looking to upgrade, is the iphone X a better buy than the 8 plus? or are you just paying extra for aesthetics?

The X has optical image stabilization on the 2x camera, whereas the 8+ does not.

The X has Face ID and edge to edge screen, a much better front facing camera and is smaller than the plus.

That's about it though.

 

[Hattori]

I wanna pull the trigger on an 8+ so bad, why can’t it be October 27 😞

 

[rambis]

Have we seen any benches on the Kirin 970? Huawei has already caught/surpassed Samsung and Qualcomm, so if anyone will start to catch up to apple I bet it will be huawei.

Huawei certainly hasnt passed them, more like finally sat at the table with them. And Samsung/Qualcomm/Apple basically leap frog each other every iteration.

 

[Piggus]

Newest high end phone on market is fastest.

That's one way to simplify it. Too bad it's almost twice as fast as the nearest competition, whereas said competition could only manage a phone with about the same performance as Apple's year-old iPhone 7.

I have a iphone 6 right now and am looking to upgrade, is the iphone X a better buy than the 8 plus? or are you just paying extra for aesthetics?

I'm holding out for the X. I'm not paying $700+ for a phone that looks almost exactly the same as the phone I've had for three years. I want something new.

 

[Mokujin]

A new SE with that SoC (and without touching jack/button) would be an instabuy for me.

 

[emag]

Yet Apple with the thinnest APIs in the game gets outperformed by the S8 in 3D tests. Hmmm

The comparison in my post was between the A11 (iPhone 8/X)/A10X (iPad Pro) and the Tegra X1 (Switch, Shield). The OP's post was about CPU performance. That the S8's GPU is faster than that of the iPhone 7's (A10) is irrelevant.

For what it's worth, though, the A10X and A11 blow away the S8 in 3D tests, too.

You're paying more for oled, a slightly larger screen and better native display resolution, and not having Touch ID, essentially. Also ois on the 2nd camera and I believe a better fstop on the second camera as well. The guts are exactly the same.

I wouldn't buy the 8/8+ if I could get the X instead unless I really needed TouchID (as opposed to FaceID). The difference in screens is huge.

 

[Golgo 13]

Problem is... who needs that power?

Not very many people, realistically. Yes, it's fun to get a new phone and a shiny new toy, but truthfully -- good 4 year old phones do the same tasks that most of us use our phones for (web surfing, email, texting) at relatively the same speed as these expensive upgrades. Sorry to break it to most people, but you're buying a super computer to use fucking Snapchat. 🤔

 

[giga]

Problem is... who needs that power?

Not very many people, realistically. Yes, it's fun to get a new phone and a shiny new toy, but truthfully -- good 4 year old phones do the same tasks that most of us use our phones for (web surfing, email, texting) at relatively the same speed as these expensive upgrades. Sorry to break it to most people, but you're buying a super computer to use fucking Snapchat. 🤔

Portrait mode/lighting and AR are two real life examples that regular people would use and are also processor intensive.

 

[Greatest Ever]

Problem is... who needs that power?

Not very many people, realistically. Yes, it's fun to get a new phone and a shiny new toy, but truthfully -- good 4 year old phones do the same tasks that most of us use our phones for (web surfing, email, texting) at relatively the same speed as these expensive upgrades. Sorry to break it to most people, but you're buying a super computer to use fucking Snapchat. 🤔

Having the fastest phone now is a waste?

 

[AlphaDump]

Isn't there a large difference in the screen resolutions of the Iphone 8 vs the Note8/S8? Would the tests be impacted from that?

 

[Uno Venova]

Problem is... who needs that power?

Not very many people, realistically. Yes, it's fun to get a new phone and a shiny new toy, but truthfully -- good 4 year old phones do the same tasks that most of us use our phones for (web surfing, email, texting) at relatively the same speed as these expensive upgrades. Sorry to break it to most people, but you're buying a super computer to use fucking Snapchat. 🤔

Your phone being significantly better than it needs to be (an opinion anyway) doesn't really sound like a 'problem' though.

 

[Greatest Ever]

Your phone being significantly better than it needs to be (an opinion anyway) doesn't really sound like a 'problem' though.

Yeah it sounded like some bullshit philosophy.

Besides, no four year old phone comes close to the speeds offered right now, and beyond that, a four year phone sounds like a terrible purchase and leg to prop any sort of rethoric on.

 

[Jazzy Network]

Huawei certainly hasnt passed them, more like finally sat at the table with them. And Samsung/Qualcomm/Apple basically leap frog each other every iteration.

The Kirin 960 introduced last year already benchmark about the same as the SD835 and slightly less than the Exynos 8895 released this year. The Kirin 970 supposedly is 20% more powerful than the 960 so it'll be at least as powerful as the 8895 or more probably benchmarking around 2500/8500.

 

[emag]

Isn't there a large difference in the screen resolutions of the Iphone 8 vs the Note8/S8? Would the tests be impacted from that?

Tests in the OP are non-graphics tests. You can see that the 8/8+/X all have roughly the same results (within experimental error), despite having wildly different rendering resolutions.

The graphics tests in my post (and others) all account for differences in internal resolution by measuring 1080p or 1440p off-screen performance.

Also, the S8/S8+ run at a lower resolution than the 8+/X by default (although this can be changed by digging through the options).

 

[Sir Abacus]

Problem is... who needs that power?

Not very many people, realistically. Yes, it's fun to get a new phone and a shiny new toy, but truthfully -- good 4 year old phones do the same tasks that most of us use our phones for (web surfing, email, texting) at relatively the same speed as these expensive upgrades. Sorry to break it to most people, but you're buying a super computer to use fucking Snapchat. 🤔

It's called race to sleep. It takes a power investment to drag the clocks up. It takes time to drag the clocks back down after idle. Radios also draw huge amounts of power the longer they're active so the faster you get those powered off the more power you save. The faster you get something done the less total amount of power it takes. So long as you're not losing more power from the capacitance in the CPU from switching faster take the extra clock speed and do whatever you're doing faster.

 

[sarcastor]

this has probably been posted but the Iphone 7 beats the S8 and S8 Note and Oneplus 5 and the Essential phone is in dead last in this guy's tests of opening and running apps and transcoding video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMiTOKKX7ek

 

[AlphaDump]

Tests in the OP are non-graphics tests. You can see that the 8/8+/X all have roughly the same results (within experimental error), despite having wildly different rendering resolutions.

The graphics tests in my post (and others) all account for differences in internal resolution by measuring 1080p or 1440p off-screen performance.

Also, the S8/S8+ run at a lower resolution than the 8+/X by default (although this can be changed by digging through the options).

Ah, okay, that helps. For some reason i thought the higher the resolution = more CPU intensive it became. Do you know if the tests were run in the S8/S8+ default modes or at the higher resolution options?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Problem is... who needs that power?

Not very many people, realistically. Yes, it's fun to get a new phone and a shiny new toy, but truthfully -- good 4 year old phones do the same tasks that most of us use our phones for (web surfing, email, texting) at relatively the same speed as these expensive upgrades. Sorry to break it to most people, but you're buying a super computer to use fucking Snapchat. ��

and now the argument is...too powerful?

I'll try to remember this when I hear someone bitching about memory.

These goalposts are moving so fast I almost can't keep up.

this has probably been posted but the Iphone 7 beats the S8 and S8 Note and Oneplus 5 and the Essential phone is in dead last in this guy's tests of opening and running apps and transcoding video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMiTOKKX7ek

it's k. androidGAF has informed us that power and capability is no longer relevant. It's all about looks now.

 

[VeeP]

Problem is... who needs that power?

Not very many people, realistically. Yes, it's fun to get a new phone and a shiny new toy, but truthfully -- good 4 year old phones do the same tasks that most of us use our phones for (web surfing, email, texting) at relatively the same speed as these expensive upgrades. Sorry to break it to most people, but you're buying a super computer to use fucking Snapchat. 🤔

Wouldn’t more power help in future OS updates and keeping iOS/Android running smoothly?

Do you not want Apple and other companies to push the envelope? It allows more graphically intensive games, faster loading on games and intensive apps (like AR apps), etc.

And plus, it’s always fun to see how much power we can take mobiley. I loved seeing phone bench marks 5 years ago, I love it today.

And shit while I’m at it, I’m excited about the power the Switch 2 will have.

 

[snap]

this has probably been posted but the Iphone 7 beats the S8 and S8 Note and Oneplus 5 and the Essential phone is in dead last in this guy's tests of opening and running apps and transcoding video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMiTOKKX7ek

speed tests are always trash because there are OS differences and results on a single handset vary so significantly based on what's running in the background and what state the phone is in.

and now the argument is...too powerful?

I'll try to remember this when I hear someone bitching about memory.

These goalposts are moving so fast I almost can't keep up.



it's k. androidGAF has informed us that power and capability is no longer relevant. It's all about looks now.

what does memory have to do with cpu or gpu speed?

 

[rambis]

The comparison in my post was between the A11 (iPhone 8/X)/A10X (iPad Pro) and the Tegra X1 (Switch, Shield). The OP's post was about CPU performance. That the S8's GPU is faster than that of the iPhone 7's (A10) is irrelevant.

For what it's worth, though, the A10X and A11 blow away the S8 in 3D tests, too.





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First off no, the numbers in the OP article are more than CPU. Don't know why this has to be explained when you just quoted numbers from the article that werent CPU only....

Secondly, what you were talking about is irrelevant. I didnt quote you, you quoted me.

3rdly GFXbench is far more than a GPU test. Its a real world gaming benchmark.

 

[Sir Abacus]

Ah, okay, that helps. For some reason i thought the higher the resolution = more CPU intensive it became. Do you know if the tests were run in the S8/S8+ default modes or at the higher resolution options?

Offscreen tests are always 1080p so that's what you need to look for.

Also, funny shit, the iPhone 6+/6S+/7+/8+ actually renders internally at 1242 x 2208 and downsamples to 1080 x 1920 unless you're rendering directly to a 1080p surface (i.e. game or movie). So it's actually rendering 30% more performance than normal 1080p display.

 

[HarryKS]

Is the Iphone X an Iphone 8 or is it an Iphone 10?

X(not roman numeral) or 10?

 

[AlphaDump]

Offscreen tests are always 1080p so that's what you need to look for.

Also, funny shit, the iPhone 6+/6S+/7+/8+ actually renders internally at 1242 x 2208 and downsamples to 1080 x 1920 unless you're rendering directly to a 1080p surface (i.e. game or movie). So it's actually rendering 30% more performance than normal 1080p display.

That is interesting, I didn't know that. I actually have an S7 Edge for personal use and (had) an iphone 6+ for work. I definitely noticed the Iphone as more efficient, especially with battery.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Is the Iphone X an Iphone 8 or is it an Iphone 10?

X(not roman numeral) or 10?

ten.

for 10 years since the launch of the original iPhone.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

How much faster is it than a 6s?

 

[Sir Abacus]

How much faster is it than a 6s?

About 2.5x as fast.

 

[Zeyphersan]

How about we get more battery life instead of more power?

Faster phones are how you get better battery life. The faster a processor can compete a task the faster it can go back to its resting state

So Apple is delivering what you want

 

[Golgo 13]

Wouldn’t more power help in future OS updates and keeping iOS/Android running smoothly?

Do you not want Apple and other companies to push the envelope? It allows more graphically intensive games, faster loading on games and intensive apps (like AR apps), etc.

And plus, it’s always fun to see how much power we can take mobiley. I loved seeing phone bench marks 5 years ago, I love it today.

And shit while I’m at it, I’m excited about the power the Switch 2 will have.

I love the technological improvements. I'm just saying that for what most of use ours phones for, the power would probably go to waste.

But you do make a good point about the viability of the phone for the future.

 

[eyeball_kid]

But how much faster is the iPhone 8 in DBZ terms?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

So why did you enter a thread about the speed of the iPhone 8?

Doesn't make his input on the matter any less relevant. iOs holds their products back significantly imo. This is the first iphone I've ever wanted, and it's iOs specifically that is making me hesitate.

 

[jaypah]

Just bought a Note 8 (loving it too!) but these are impressive results.

 

[Barzul]

Why don’t other manufacturers spend on the R&D to create their chips in house? Surely Apple didn’t have their current competency right out the gate with the first iPhone? Is there a reason that manufacturers like Samsung aren’t pursuing this other than the cost? Truely clueless on this topic.

 

[Jeffrey]

Apple really needs to update iPhone to better use the power.

IPhone will always destroy Android phones in benchmarks but Android is quite a bit better for power users with true background apps (also a bad thing) multitasking split screen picture in picture etc.

How often does one render and process pics and videos on their phones?

IOS 11 brought a bunch of power usage stuff for iPad. Hope they do the same for iPhone.

IOS 11 still feels like work in progress for iphone x. I assume true ios for tall screen will be ready in ios 12 or 13.

 

[JaseMath]

Switched from a Nexus 5X. Feels like I’m in the fucking future.

 

[diehard]

Why don’t other manufacturers spend on the R&D to create their chips in house? Surely Apple didn’t have their current competency right out the gate with the first iPhone? Is there a reason that manufacturers like Samsung aren’t pursuing this other than the cost? Truely clueless on this topic.

Samsung actually is, with their Exynos SoC's. Not many hardware makers are making money, certainly not enough to invest in R&D on an SoC when they can use a Snapdragon. Also , all the lawyers costs when you get sued by Qualcomm sues for making any sort of wireless radio.

 

[bionic77]

Apple really needs to update iPhone to better use the power.

IPhone will always destroy Android phones in benchmarks but Android is quite a bit better for power users with true background apps (also a bad thing) multitasking split screen picture in picture etc.

How often does one render and process pics and videos on their phones?

IOS 11 brought a bunch of power usage stuff for iPad. Hope they do the same for iPhone.

IOS 11 still feels like work in progress for iphone x. I assume true ios for tall screen will be ready in ios 12 or 13.

You need the power first before apps can take advantage of it.

And devs will always develop for the lowest common denominator. It takes some time to catch up.