Given that the A series has been about a year ahead or more in single threaded performance for three or four years now, if the A11 isn't remarkable, the rest of the industry is garbage. Either Apple is outperforming everyone, or Apple is unremarkable and the rest are badly underperforming.
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iPhone 8 Is World's Fastest Phone (It's Not Even Close)
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Given that the A series has been about a year ahead or more in single threaded performance for three or four years now, if the A11 isn't remarkable, the rest of the industry is garbage. Either Apple is outperforming everyone, or Apple is unremarkable and the rest are badly underperforming.
This drive-by fanboy this and fanboy that post is embarrassing.
Lol this is hilarious. Ok dude.
How is being consistently more than a year ahead and growing not remarkable? The rest of the market isn't even close.
I am twice as fast as you. I am either considered a fast human being or an average human being. If I am fast, you are average. If I am average, you are slow. How is this a strange concept to you. We cant both be average or both be fast if I am twice as fast as you.
clockworkinyou
Banned
Got my 8 yesterday, upgraded from a 5s that served me well. I feel like I'm flying a god damn F22.
Because its not? I don't understand how you expect anybody to take you seriously when you only try to limit everything to one specific benchmark and ignore everything else.
Ok, can you point me to a debunking of the general consensus in tech reporting that the A11 is way ahead of everyone else? Or a debunking of Geekbench's validity as a metric?
What is it that I am ignoring that suddenly makes the A11 average?
Yes! Its to their advantage in every way. They have to only put some work in and the benefits are tremendous.
Geekbench only measures a particular set of synethic scenarios, mostly cpu dependent. There are far better real world benchmarks out there.
http://www.antutu.com/en/ranking/rank1.htm
What you are ignoring is that this is a rather tepid jump from the previous generations in every area except multicore performance. You seem to be caught in the new SOC smell but the leapfrogging of the competitors has been happening a while. This 3-4 yeat advantage you keep talking about is make believe.
And on that one the Iphone 8 seems to hit over 200,000. Still average?
http://www.antutu.com/en/doc/111124.htm
A CPU benchmark SHOULD be CPU dependent. And that site doesnt have the iPhone 8. The S8 and the iPhone 7+ are basically even even though the S8 is new and the 7+ is a year old in this test.
Yes? Look at the jump from S7 to S8.
S7 - 137502
S8 - 164033
About a 19% increase
Iphone 7 - 158,143
Iphone 8 - 201,000
27% increase.
Yes but I don't see why we are limiting a SOC conversation to CPU.
http://www.antutu.com/en/doc/111124.htm
201k. A little bit smaller jump than S7 to S8.
Lol at trusting antutu. It's one of the benchmarks companies are notorious for cheating and inflating their scores.
https://lifehacker.com/the-android-benchmarks-you-can-actually-trust-1440542569
https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5-benchmark-cheating-reviews/
https://lifehacker.com/the-android-benchmarks-you-can-actually-trust-1440542569
https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5-benchmark-cheating-reviews/
Theonik
Member
That concept is nonsense tbh. Faster phones are faster at all given tasks so you get a really nice overall QOL improvement.
I never said they were 3-4 years ahead, let alone keep saying it.
I'm not caught up in anything, I've been trying to figure out what point you're making in the context of how the rest of the market is struggling to keep up. Even if Apple's delta between generations is average from here out, that keeps them a year ahead.
And going from a chip that is two big / two small cores in an either/or configuration to a chip that is two big, four small, use all six at once as the OS sees fit, is actually a big jump. Especially for what this implies for the A11X, which will be used in iPads that support using three apps plus one picture in picture video at the same time.
S8/S8+ is 172k, Iphone 7+ is 167k.
Hey look its an android user pointing to synthetic benchmarks that scale linearly with core counts and offscreen or compute results.
This goes back to what everyone was saying earlier on this page. Lets look at real world processing use cases, like video editing where Note8 was over 3 mins, S8 was over 4 mins, and 8 was at 42 seconds. Because when it comes to synthetic benchmarks, Apple has more processing efficient CPUs while android typically has more cores. Thus iOS advocates will point to overall benchmarks where android advocates will point to screen unrestrained core scaling linear benchmarks. At the end of the day though all that matters is game FPS and computationally expensive workflow speeds.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
As much as I love my 7+, every day I find it harder and harder to not go crazy and buy an 8+ to replace it even though I got it in April.
But I can do it. I can do it. I don't need an 8+. I want it but I don't need it. I can hold off a year or two. Yeah. I can do that.
But I can do it. I can do it. I don't need an 8+. I want it but I don't need it. I can hold off a year or two. Yeah. I can do that.
Lol how is optimizing an app to an architechure cheating? Thats basically apples whole advantage.
BlastProcessing
Member
So now Geekbench is CPU dependant, but before you were arguing that resolution had a large effect on Geekbench scores. Which is it?
Why is Antutu better? It seems to be another synthetic benchmark, so why do you seem to refer to it as a real world benchmark? It doesn't even split out single core and multicore performance. Why is it better to obfuscate that info?
Why does a $350 iPhone SE with a two year old SOC pants a $750 Galaxy S8 on Antutu's CPU bench? What does AnTuTu's UX score actually leasure? What is the methodology?
You have the tone of someone who understands this stuff, but you need to back it up with a display of knowledge at some point. Help me understand your point, because right now, I'm lost.
Optimizing an app to an architecture? It's literally raising thermal limits and CPU frequencies because it detected it was running a certain benchmark. Literally cheating because it's not what happens at any other time when using the phone.
BlastProcessing
Member
You have it exactly backwards. This is an example of optimising an architecture to an app. Do you think Apple's whole advantage is optimising their SOC for synthetic benchmarks? Do you have any proof or documentation for that?
Turbo Killer
Member
lol @ apple sheeple thinking their phone is the best. Im with rambis, this is not remarkable or impressive, Samsung is the best maker of exploding phones out there.
That's not what's happening here.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks
That's not optimizing, that's detecting that a benchmark is running and changing the state of the CPU to get performance you wouldn't get at any other time.
I would love to see an updated article on this to know how common these "optimizations" are in 2017, as this is from 2013.
While it's nice to see a sector of computing tech advance performance wise this much whereas everything else seems stagnant, I'd personally I'd be all over an iPhone with the performance of my 6s or even a 7 but with a 3500mAh battery or more. Performance of my 6s is already more than what I need, but bat life on my heaviest usage(safari, source twitch streams) isnt that much last I timed it.
Doesnt help my 6s has also lost ~13% charge capacity
Doesnt help my 6s has also lost ~13% charge capacity
We discussed this, there are multiple tests. There are GPU tests in geekbench. Most of the workloads are CPU based. Idk where the contradiction is.
There are more real world loads in Antutu.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/antutu-benchmark-measure/
Also I would say most CPU benchmarks give you one compiled score rather than splitting single/multicore.
You do seem lost but Im not about to spend my Saturday swapping essays with you.
Eh you are given a wide variety of performance enhancing modes and tools on the S8, particularly in developer mode. As long as the clocks are accurately reported I don't see this as cheating at all.
And platform specific optimizations are Apple's main advantage.
BlastProcessing
Member
It's pretty obvious that you don't understand any of this at the level necessary to explain it. Have a nice Saturday.
Again, that's not what happened. These devices would detect that a specific benchmark was running and then temporarily change the rules just for that benchmark, in ways you couldn't access otherwise.
If you can't acknowledge that as cheating, then there's no point in continuing this discussion.
Lol thanks.
You can, very easily. Again, as long as the clocks are reported to the app accurately I don't see the issue...
You don't see the issue because you don't want to. Read the article linked above and pay attention to the fact that the clock doesn't change but the test is still being gamed.
I dunno, I just got 20 down and 2 up with it on T-Mobile inside a huge art museum several floors above me, 3 bars on LTE. Thats pretty good imo given the situation. Ill run another speed test outdoors later. People I work with here are surprised I even have service.
Edit: 40 down and 45 up outside. Considering thats almost the same upload (less than half the download though) of my 100/50 fiber at home Ill take it.
If a non nerfed x16 would do better that sucks I guess, but given the speed is good enough for me for virtually any usage scenario I cant really complain. I also only have 6gb of lte data so I limit downloading a ton of stuff to WiFi.
Oh wow, cheating on benchmarks smh.
Because everyone else in the mobile sphere is still years behind Apple, despite Apple hitting diminishing returns.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Yes, but what you fail to see is that none of this matters because Android is so good, it causes goalposts to spontaneously shift whenever discussing the performance of phones running that OS.
T mobile has this great deal where i can trade in my 6 plus for a $300 credit towards an 8. I was gonna switch to android but i think I'll give the iphone another shot. Pretty much 90% of the problems I had with my 6 plus was that I bought the 16gb model. Made me feel like the phone was a peace of useless junk whenever I really needed the space.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
You didn't lie, you rushed into the thread with a 'lol, fanboys' strawman, using the very definition of a fanboy-fodder article as a 'I'm gonna show 'em' counter-argument. In reality none of the serious posters in this thread as much as suggested Apple should transplant their phone SKU into a macbook, evicting Intel. Everybody impressed with the single-core CPU performance of the A11 have been extrapolating what would happen if Apple used that uarch in a higher-end SKU - i.e. one with higher TDP, more cores, more cache, wider RAM buses, etc. Additionally, people have been speculating about the prospect to a productivity enclosure hosting a new-gen iphone. So get off the soapbox, and enjoy your stay if you have anything productive to add to the discussion.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Cheating on benchmarks happens all the time in the smartphone sphere. There aren't really any actual good benchmarks for overall phone performance. Most of the ones which exist haven't been updated in forever and are generally easy to cheat on.
Because of recent advances in phone storage performance, many old phones have completely irrelevant benchmarks compared to new ones which can read and write to storage orders of magnitude faster. Just as with PCs and SSDs, nothing is more revolutionary to overall system performance than storage performance. Apple has a massive lead in storage performance over Android devices which is why apps load so much faster, plus this helps with video encoding or any task where you are streaming data to and from storage.
Saying the iP8 can encode video much faster than Androids is completely irrelevant because Apple has undoubtedly implemented their own acceleration which uses the GPU they designed themselves and the OS and software they coded themselves. Androids on the other hand are using off-the-shelf or semi-custom hardware designs and OS and it's hard to imagine anything is being properly accelerated or uses any kind of custom code. It's the difference between consoles and PC in terms of game optimization and we can now see how stark the difference is on smartphone platforms.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Soooo this year's S8 is only a .02% increase over last year's iPhone 7?
BlastProcessing
Member
It's not irrelevant to people who encode video on their phones. The part that is irrelevant to them is how or why encoding is faster. They don't care if something is designed in house or off-the-shelf, all that matters is how it performs.
King Gilga
Member
Cool, though I'm not sure I care, phones power stopped being all that relevant for my after the iPhone 4.
Makes me wonder how powerful the x will be tho.
Makes me wonder how powerful the x will be tho.
Jigolo
Member
I've been feeling the same way about my 6S+. I'm trying to hold it till the 2019 iPhone though. Don't really care about specs that much myself but by then what can we expect? An A13 is given but with 6GB of RAM maybe? Well whatever, I'm looking more forward to the changes in the ios 13 or w/e it'll be called and iphone design changes (smaller or no notch pls)
Diablohead
Member
Apple have always done well with their chips, always been impressed with them.