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[bionic77]

Beats in every category? How about web browser, touch interface, new applications, and visual voice mail?

You forgot mp3 player and while the iPhone isn't in the same league as Blackberry when it comes to handling multiple email accounts, I prefer email on the iPhone to the Nokia e series phones.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Beats in every category? How about web browser, touch interface, new applications, and visual voice mail?

Arguing with people like him is pointless. Some people only appreciate on-paper tech specs, feature lists, and price/performance ratio calculation. Just the fact that a device has a browser at all puts it at an equal level to anything else that contains a browser, no matter how good the iPhone browser is.

 

[Culex]

I second the powersupport screen protectors. I have had 2 different ones on my iphone. This anti glare one is by far the best.



Secondly


Does anyone else have a problem with their iphone turning down their ringer automatically?

Everytime I go into the settings my ringer is set on halfway....even though I just turned it up...

Mine does the same thing, so it's not just you.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Apparently Apple to can remotely monitor your iPhone to determine what apps are installed, and disable them.

http://www.therawfeed.com/2008/08/rumor-apple-can-disable-apps-on-your.html

If this is true, it only justifies my decision to not go iPhone.

I hate Big Brother shit like this, but it's getting so blown out of proportion.

Windows Update, Software Update, and whatever Linux's update thing is called all phone home constantly, sending Microsoft, Apple, and whoever all of the details of the software and configuration of your computer. Then they suggest updates or new products for you based on that. iPhone's blacklist is just a reverse version: it checks to see if you have some horseshit on your phone, and it disables it.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Arguing with people like him is pointless. Some people only appreciate on-paper tech specs, feature lists, and price/performance ratio calculation. Just the fact that a device has a browser at all puts it at an equal level to anything else that contains a browser, no matter how good the iPhone browser is.

He's moved on to the Official E73 Thread that he created. :lol

They're mostly talking about everything but the phone as a matter of fact.

I hate Big Brother shit like this, but it's getting so blown out of proportion.

Windows Update, Software Update, and whatever Linux's update thing is called all phone home constantly, sending Microsoft, Apple, and whoever all of the details of the software and configuration of your computer. Then they suggest updates or new products for you based on that. iPhone's blacklist is just a reverse version: it checks to see if you have some horseshit on your phone, and it disables it.

Completely agree with this. I figured the iPhone is probably phoning home to check for updates for the app you have installed so it can alert you to when there are updates.

 

[Marty Chinn]

You forgot mp3 player and while the iPhone isn't in the same league as Blackberry when it comes to handling multiple email accounts, I prefer email on the iPhone to the Nokia e series phones.

How does the Blackberry handle multiple email accounts out of curiosity? I've funneled all mine to go to one account to make it easier on me, but my wife is using multiple accounts. I saw her switch between them pretty easy to check them and thought it was pretty cool how easily she did it. So I'm just curious how the Blackberry handles it.

 

[Marty Chinn]

He's moved on to the Official E73 Thread that he created. :lol

They're mostly talking about everything but the phone as a matter of fact.



Completely agree with this. I figured the iPhone is probably phoning home to check for updates for the app you have installed so it can alert you to when there are updates.

I thought the only way the iPhone knows about updates is when you actually enter the app store?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I thought the only way the iPhone knows about updates is when you actually enter the app store?

Mine puts a little red number on the App Store icon, similar to the number of new e-mails, when I have updates pending. Then I sign into the App Store and grab them.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

I second the powersupport screen protectors. I have had 2 different ones on my iphone. This anti glare one is by far the best.

Is there a thin scratch cover for the back too? I was thinking about getting the shield-zone skin (which I use for my iPod now), but the powersupport one seems awesome because of no glue!

 

[goodcow]

How many Adventure levels does Critter Crunch have?

 

[dork]

Is there a thin scratch cover for the back too? I was thinking about getting the shield-zone skin (which I use for my iPod now), but the powersupport one seems awesome because of no glue!

im using an invisibleshield for the back and a powersupport for the front.

but it came with 2 for the front and that was it

 

[Marty Chinn]

Mine puts a little red number on the App Store icon, similar to the number of new e-mails, when I have updates pending. Then I sign into the App Store and grab them.

Mine only gets that number when I've entered the app store and then exit out. It doesn't automatically get it periodically.

 

[Firestorm]

Note for Canadians:
For those on a Rogers contract, you are now eligible for a hardware upgrade to an iPhone 3 months after starting the contract (or the last hardware upgrade). Normally it's 12 months to get a new phone. Not only that, you can get it at the maximum discount price regardless of how long it's been ($249.99 for 8GB, $349.99 for 16GB, $50 bill credit if your phone plan is above $35). Normally it's 24 months for maximum discount or something like $1000+ spent with Rogers.

So basically, as long as you've been with Rogers for 3 months or more without upgrading your phone, you can get the iPhone at the same price new customers get as long as you renew your contract for 3 years (so if you do it today, until August 7th, 2011). You can pay an extra $100 and do just 2 years. It starts from the day you do the HUP, it doesn't add on top of your existing contract.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

im using an invisibleshield for the back and a powersupport for the front.

but it came with 2 for the front and that was it

Maybe I'll do this. Can you just get the back of the invisible shield? $40 just for casing is a lot (I know that it's a $300 phone, but it's still a bunch).

 

[Firestorm]

Maybe I'll do this. Can you just get the back of the invisible shield? $40 just for casing is a lot (I know that it's a $300 phone, but it's still a bunch).

I heard these are about as good: http://www.bestskinsever.com/servlet/the-88/iPhone-3G-Skin/Detail

 

[Hellsing321]

Maybe I'll do this. Can you just get the back of the invisible shield? $40 just for casing is a lot (I know that it's a $300 phone, but it's still a bunch).

They do sell the back only shield on the website for 18.95.

 

[dork]

Maybe I'll do this. Can you just get the back of the invisible shield? $40 just for casing is a lot (I know that it's a $300 phone, but it's still a bunch).

i was pretty sure you could...

 

[DarkJC]

Note for Canadians:
For those on a Rogers contract, you are now eligible for a hardware upgrade to an iPhone 3 months after starting the contract (or the last hardware upgrade). Normally it's 12 months to get a new phone. Not only that, you can get it at the maximum discount price regardless of how long it's been ($249.99 for 8GB, $349.99 for 16GB, $50 bill credit if your phone plan is above $35). Normally it's 24 months for maximum discount or something like $1000+ spent with Rogers.

So basically, as long as you've been with Rogers for 3 months or more without upgrading your phone, you can get the iPhone at the same price new customers get as long as you renew your contract for 3 years (so if you do it today, until August 7th, 2011). You can pay an extra $100 and do just 2 years. It starts from the day you do the HUP, it doesn't add on top of your existing contract.

Man, wish I had the option of doing the +$100 for a 2 year contract deal back on July 11th. Would've sprung for it in a heartbeat.

 

[xir]

you can now watch http://www.gametrailers.com on your iphone.

 

[Lazy]

Note for Canadians:
For those on a Rogers contract, you are now eligible for a hardware upgrade to an iPhone 3 months after starting the contract (or the last hardware upgrade). Normally it's 12 months to get a new phone. Not only that, you can get it at the maximum discount price regardless of how long it's been ($249.99 for 8GB, $349.99 for 16GB, $50 bill credit if your phone plan is above $35). Normally it's 24 months for maximum discount or something like $1000+ spent with Rogers.

So basically, as long as you've been with Rogers for 3 months or more without upgrading your phone, you can get the iPhone at the same price new customers get as long as you renew your contract for 3 years (so if you do it today, until August 7th, 2011). You can pay an extra $100 and do just 2 years. It starts from the day you do the HUP, it doesn't add on top of your existing contract.

This is good to hear.

However, what sucks is, if you're on a corporate plan, Rogers will sell you the iPhone 3G for no less than $499 in addition to signing you up for a three year contract! Either you forgo your corporate plan or you pay a few hundred extra for the iPhone. Man I hate Rogers.

Corporate iPhone plans exist, but you're stuck paying close to $100 a month (instead of the $73 I was hoping to pay for my corp plan + data plan).

 

[Darko]

you can now watch http://www.gametrailers.com on your iphone.

this is awesome, works great!

 

[Tobor]

you can now watch http://www.gametrailers.com on your iphone.

This is why we don't need Flash. The iPhone userbase is just too big for video sites to ignore.

 

[MercuryLS]

Note for Canadians:
For those on a Rogers contract, you are now eligible for a hardware upgrade to an iPhone 3 months after starting the contract (or the last hardware upgrade). Normally it's 12 months to get a new phone. Not only that, you can get it at the maximum discount price regardless of how long it's been ($249.99 for 8GB, $349.99 for 16GB, $50 bill credit if your phone plan is above $35). Normally it's 24 months for maximum discount or something like $1000+ spent with Rogers.

So basically, as long as you've been with Rogers for 3 months or more without upgrading your phone, you can get the iPhone at the same price new customers get as long as you renew your contract for 3 years (so if you do it today, until August 7th, 2011). You can pay an extra $100 and do just 2 years. It starts from the day you do the HUP, it doesn't add on top of your existing contract.

Man, that's tempting, but I already have an 1st gen iPhone. Is 3G speed really worth it? Does it really kill the battery life of the phone?

 

[Hellsing321]

Man, that's tempting, but I already have an 1st gen iPhone. Is 3G speed really worth it? Does it really kill the battery life of the phone?

At the end of the day my battery is about half down when using 3G. It's not a problem for me since I always charge mine at night but if you need to get more out of your battery then 3G probably isn't for you.

 

[krypt0nian]

This is why we don't need Flash. The iPhone userbase is just too big for video sites to ignore.

Actually we need flash still since the majority of sites have not made the switch.

 

[goodcow]

Actually we need flash still since the majority of sites have not made the switch.

They will.

I'm being asked to convert all our college's videos to iPod friendly formats.

 

[Tobor]

Actually we need flash still since the majority of sites have not made the switch.

If Apple were to allow Flash, nobody would bother switching. And since I don't want Flash ads in the browser, I'm good.

EDIT: or rather, I'll wait.

They will.

I'm being asked to convert all our college's videos to iPod friendly formats.

Bingo.

 

[Firestorm]

If iPhone means the death of Flash websites, I'll shower Apple with gifts.

 

[capslock]

Beats in every category? How about web browser, touch interface, new applications, and visual voice mail?

I already gave the iPhone the touch interface, then again, that's not for all people

Web browser is comparable, it's got zooming and and a page history that's just as good, also has flash lite, unlike the iphone.

It's Symbian, so it's got tons more application than the iPhone, for now, but perhaps that will change.

It does NOT have visual voicemail.

It's got a better camera, with flash, as well as video-recording, geo-tagging too.

I can just start typing someone's name at the start screen and it immediately pulls up their name and gives me an option to call/text/email/mms whatever.

It can encrypt both phone as well as external memory cards.

It's NOT carrier locked.

It has an FM radio, I don't have to buy anything for it.

I don't have to charge more than once every 3 days even with heavy use.

I don't have to install new firmware every other week.

The UI is simpler than iPhones, but is wicked fast, even running several programmes at the same time does not slow it down.

It does not have built-in memory like the iPhone, but I like the fact that I can expand it as I need it, who knows where micoSDHC sizes will be in a couple of years.

It has stereo bluetooth, unlike the iPhone.

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There's other stuff I am forgetting I am sure....

Sorry to do this, but Marty called me out. Like I said, they're both good phones with different strengths. I just don't want to play in Apple's locked playground.

 

[capslock]

Wow, I love the argument that some fanboys are making here, iPhone doesn't have Flash so Flash sucks!

Brilliant, I swear, Apple fanboys are worse than Nintendo ones.

And I am typing this on a Macbook Pro.

 

[Firestorm]

Wow, I love the argument that some fanboys are making here, iPhone doesn't have Flash so Flash sucks!

Brilliant, I swear, Apple fanboys are worse than Nintendo ones.

And I am typing this on a Macbook Pro.

Hm? I don't own a single Apple product. Actually I spend quite a bit of time bashing Apple for fun at school I just dislike Flash websites.

 

[Vyer]

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Sorry to do this, but Marty called me out. .

:lol

Uh huh. However could you have anticipated the outcome?

 

[Marty Chinn]

I already gave the iPhone the touch interface, then again, that's not for all people

Well you said everything was better than the iPhone and clearly not. Touch screen might not be for all people, but as far as web browsing goes, it definitely is the way to go. Touch interface for web browsing over using a d-pad? Are you serious about the d-pad being a better interface?

Web browser is comparable, it's got zooming and and a page history that's just as good, also has flash lite, unlike the iphone.

I'll give you the flash, but the zooming has to be better on the iphone because of the touch interface. Every web browser I've seen on a phone has set zoom scaling interpolation where as because of the great touch screen interface and using your fingers to pinch or expand, you get to zoom EXACTLY how you want it to be quickly and easily. So again, I don't see how this is better on the Nokia. Web browsing interface is integral and having a larger screen and a touch screen interface on top of having a great browser to begin with to me makes the iPhone web browsing as a whole better than the Nokia.

It's Symbian, so it's got tons more application than the iPhone, for now, but perhaps that will change.

I'm not familiar with Symbian so what types of apps are available? Does it have Pandora? What are the games like? What are the 3D capabilities like on the phone? I think the iPhone will be a major platform for software and think once it matures it will be the place to get good apps for any mobile phone, but please tell me more about Symbian.

It does NOT have visual voicemail.

What happened to everything being better? This is a huge feature for me and one of the top reasons I got one. The other reasons was best web browser and app store.

It's got a better camera, with flash, as well as video-recording, geo-tagging too.

Hmm, the reviews I read on the camera was the quality wasn't so hot despite being higher megapixel. Video recording can be done through an app. iPhone does geo tagging, so no real reason to bring that up.

I can just start typing someone's name at the start screen and it immediately pulls up their name and gives me an option to call/text/email/mms whatever.

I can bring up the phone by hitting home button twice and quickly look them up to bring up the same info or I could just hit the contacts and scroll to it quickly and bring up the same info. Between being able to scroll quickly thanks to the touch screen interface to moving down to a specific letter from the side bar, I bet you it's just as fast if not faster on the iPhone.

It has an FM radio, I don't have to buy anything for it.

Nice, too bad it doesn't have a standard headphone jack.....

I don't have to charge more than once every 3 days even with heavy use.

Battery life reports said it's about 4 hours with 3G usage. iPhone will hit about 5 hours, so how is the battery really stacking up? I can go for two days before I have to charge with heavy usage. I don't see to big of a deal having to charge every two days vs every three days.

I don't have to install new firmware every other week.

Had mine for almost a month and only had one firmware update, so say what?

The UI is simpler than iPhones, but is wicked fast, even running several programmes at the same time does not slow it down.

UI is pretty simple and fast on the iPhone too. Thanks to touch screen, I'm sure the interface is even easier to work with than the Nokia.

It does not have built-in memory like the iPhone, but I like the fact that I can expand it as I need it, who knows where micoSDHC sizes will be in a couple of years.

I read there was an 8 gig limit. Is that just the European version? In a couple years I'll probably be on a newer phone. Why speculate that far down the line?

It has stereo bluetooth, unlike the iPhone.

Useless to me because I don't want to have a bluetooth headset and pay that much more for a bluetooth stereo headset. I'll stick to my headphones that I can use on the iPhone but not the Nokia because it doesn't have a standard jack.

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There's other stuff I am forgetting I am sure....

Sorry to do this, but Marty called me out. Like I said, they're both good phones with different strengths. I just don't want to play in Apple's locked playground.

Sorry to do this but I had to point out how he was back peddling on claiming everything was better on the Nokia.

 

[Worm_Buffet]

What a great joke. Honestly, I want to know what people's experience waiting has been. I've heard of people getting their phones in less than a week, but I've also heard some people wait longer than 3 weeks. I'm not really in that much of a hurry, just curious.

Oh, so you weren't being impatient and posting here in hope of someone here having more accurate information than AT&T, the company that's actually selling and delivering the device to you, telling you that you can indeed get your iPhone sooner.

 

[Cdammen]

What the fuck? Why would some of you guys want to get rid of Flash based content? Flash is a great platform and Adobe is making great steps to improve usability and flexibility. Apple is stupid for not including support for this format.

 

[Terrell]

What the fuck? Why would some of you guys want to get rid of Flash based content? Flash is a great platform and Adobe is making great steps to improve usability and flexibility. Apple is stupid for not including support for this format.

Because it's a 3rd-party plugin that isn't a completely open web standard? Apple supports and promotes use of AJAX for rich-media info on web sites and actual video for everything else. When even YouTube has begun contemplating abandonment of the FLV format, it spells the end of an internet era.

 

[Costanza]

apparently 8 people bought the I Am Rich app :lol

 

[LCfiner]

So that blacklist is apparently a Core Location blacklist.

http://daringfireball.net/2008/08/core_location_blacklist

Yesterday I linked to a story about the discovery by Jonathan Zdziarski of a remote blacklist Apple is maintaining, supposedly, according to Zdziarski, to remotely disable rogue iPhone apps previously distributed through the App Store. Dozens of other weblogs and news sites have picked up the story.

But the story seems fishy. Here’s the entirety of the message iPhone Atlas reported getting from Zdziarski:

This suggests that the iPhone calls home once in a while to find out what applications it should turn off. At the moment, no apps have been blacklisted, but by all appearances, this has been added to disable applications that the user has already downloaded and paid for, if Apple so chooses to shut them down.

I discovered this doing a forensic examination of an iPhone 3G. It appears to be tucked away in a configuration file deep inside Core Location.

It’s easy to see how the story got legs. Zdziarski is the author of two iPhone books — one on jailbreak app development, and the upcoming iPhone Forensics from O’Reilly. And it’s no secret that Apple has promoted security as one of the benefits of the centralized, DRM-dependent App Store distribution model. Back in March when the App Store was announced, here’s what Macworld reported:

Since each iPhone program will be digitally signed by its creator, this gives Apple the ability to “turn off the spigot,” as Steve Jobs put it, and revoke programs that don’t meet its standards.

So there may well be some sort of kill switch that Apple can deploy to remotely disable an app that’s already installed. But this list is not it.

Apple has no reason to hide such a configuration in a sneaky place. If it’s “tucked away in a configuration file deep inside” the Core Location framework, doesn’t it seem more likely that this list has something to do with, say, Core Location? Even the URL of the file in question hints at this:

https://iphone-services.apple.com/clbl/unauthorizedApps

An informed source at Apple confirmed to me that the “clbl” in the URL stands for “Core Location Blacklist”, and that it does just that. It is not a blacklist for disabling apps completely, but rather specifically for preventing any listed apps from accessing Core Location — an API which, for obvious privacy reasons, is covered by very strict rules in the iPhone SDK guidelines.

 

[The Elite]

This is good to hear.

However, what sucks is, if you're on a corporate plan, Rogers will sell you the iPhone 3G for no less than $499 in addition to signing you up for a three year contract! Either you forgo your corporate plan or you pay a few hundred extra for the iPhone. Man I hate Rogers.

Corporate iPhone plans exist, but you're stuck paying close to $100 a month (instead of the $73 I was hoping to pay for my corp plan + data plan).

Umm, I'm on a corporate plan and they let me keep it and sold me the phone for $199. I just added on the $30GB Data plan.

 

[Britprog]

I'm getting an iPhone 3G next month when my current contract expires.

How can I add my contacts onto my iPhone without maunally inputting myself.

I would prefer to add them on my PC and then move them over to my iPhone, is there any software that will let me do this?

 

[LCfiner]

I'm getting an iPhone 3G next month when my current contract expires.

How can I add my contacts onto my iPhone without maunally inputting myself.

I would prefer to add them on my PC and then move them over to my iPhone, is there any software that will let me do this?

Outlook or outlook express. on a PC, iTunes will grab all your outlook contacts and port them to the iphone. you can also sync yahoo contacts.

On the Mac is uses the system address book.

from the apple support page

Any Contacts you've chosen to sync, such as those in Windows Address Book (Outlook Express) or Microsoft Outlook, will be synced with iPhone. If you sync with Yahoo! Address Book, you only need to click Configure to enter your new login information when you change your Yahoo! ID or password after you've set up syncing.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1419

 

[capslock]

Well you said everything was better than the iPhone and clearly not. Touch screen might not be for all people, but as far as web browsing goes, it definitely is the way to go. Touch interface for web browsing over using a d-pad? Are you serious about the d-pad being a better interface?

Are you even serious about a virtual keyboard being better than a real qwerty?

I'll give you the flash, but the zooming has to be better on the iphone because of the touch interface. Every web browser I've seen on a phone has set zoom scaling interpolation where as because of the great touch screen interface and using your fingers to pinch or expand, you get to zoom EXACTLY how you want it to be quickly and easily. So again, I don't see how this is better on the Nokia. Web browsing interface is integral and having a larger screen and a touch screen interface on top of having a great browser to begin with to me makes the iPhone web browsing as a whole better than the Nokia.

If you say so, I actually own an iPod touch in addition to the e71. While you haven't even tried the e71.

I'm not familiar with Symbian so what types of apps are available? Does it have Pandora? What are the games like? What are the 3D capabilities like on the phone? I think the iPhone will be a major platform for software and think once it matures it will be the place to get good apps for any mobile phone, but please tell me more about Symbian.

You want to argue cell phones and you're not familiar with Symbian....okay, it only has a 67% share of the smartphone software market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian

What happened to everything being better? This is a huge feature for me and one of the top reasons I got one. The other reasons was best web browser and app store.

You're kidding right, everytime I bring up a feature you counter by saying you don't care for it or you don't know about it.

Hmm, the reviews I read on the camera was the quality wasn't so hot despite being higher megapixel. Video recording can be done through an app. iPhone does geo tagging, so no real reason to bring that up.

Nice how you don't mention the flash...even megapixels being equal, iPhone has one of the worse cameras out there. There's also a second camera in the front for video-conferencing. Can the iPhone do that through an app too?

I can bring up the phone by hitting home button twice and quickly look them up to bring up the same info or I could just hit the contacts and scroll to it quickly and bring up the same info. Between being able to scroll quickly thanks to the touch screen interface to moving down to a specific letter from the side bar, I bet you it's just as fast if not faster on the iPhone.

No it's not, I don't have to hit the home button, I can just start typing, it will always be faster and you know it, not only because it has real keys, but because the OS is faster.

Nice, too bad it doesn't have a standard headphone jack.....

True....

Battery life reports said it's about 4 hours with 3G usage. iPhone will hit about 5 hours, so how is the battery really stacking up? I can go for two days before I have to charge with heavy usage. I don't see to big of a deal having to charge every two days vs every three days.

I see, so if battery life is better on the e71 that is no longer an important feature to you...

Had mine for almost a month and only had one firmware update, so say what?

firmware 2.0 and 2.1 came out within about 2 weeks of each other, if you choose not to upgrade that's your choice.

UI is pretty simple and fast on the iPhone too. Thanks to touch screen, I'm sure the interface is even easier to work with than the Nokia.

Once again, you have not tried it, while I have tried both, and it is faster because it does NOT have a touchscreen, fewer presses and pushes to get what I want.

I read there was an 8 gig limit. Is that just the European version? In a couple years I'll probably be on a newer phone. Why speculate that far down the line?

8gb is the current highest card size, 16gb and 32gb are coming this month, and if I can't speculate about card sizes, why can you speculate about iPhone's eventual software lineup?

Useless to me because I don't want to have a bluetooth headset and pay that much more for a bluetooth stereo headset. I'll stick to my headphones that I can use on the iPhone but not the Nokia because it doesn't have a standard jack.

Right, I see the pattern, it's a feature that iPhone does not have, so you don't care for it.

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetreviews/multimedia/2008/08/gallery_gadgets?slide=8&slideView=2

Sorry to do this but I had to point out how he was back peddling on claiming everything was better on the Nokia.

Okay, it only beats it in 8 categories instead of 10, I am humiliated.

Anyway Marty, this is lame, instead of you and I stinking up this thread I would be happy to take it to another thread with you, and leave the iPhone owners to their discussions.

 

[VanMardigan]

hmm, my iphone is sorta sluggish after the 2.01 update. It ran silky smooth when I bought it a few days ago, but after the update it lags and moves noticeably slower. Not all the time, but enough that it has my attention.

Any else experiencing this?

 

[Tobor]

Riiiggghhht Capslock, the only reason we don't care about Flash is that we're Apple fanboys.
It couldn't possibly be that we don't want Flash ads shitting up our mobile browser, could it?

Does your Nokia sync with your iTunes database? Does it automatically sync podcasts across your Macbook Pro and phone? Does it update the metadata and smart playlists across both devices? Can you rent a movie and sync it to your phone when you have a long flight? Hows reading books on your tiny screen? Will your physical keyboard change layout based on what you're typing?

These are features I care about. Expandable memory is useless to me if I can't sync my media to it properly. A tiny screen is useless to me. I owned a phone with the exact hardware layout as your Nokia, and I hated it. It was a kludgy compromise at best.

You seem to think we are changing our needs to match what the iPhone offers, but it's the other way around. I have never owned a phone that more perfectly fits what I need and want from a mobile experience. There is nothing even remotely close.

 

[JoseDFrog]

Oh, so you weren't being impatient and posting here in hope of someone here having more accurate information than AT&T, the company that's actually selling and delivering the device to you, telling you that you can indeed get your iPhone sooner.

No. I just want to know if they are accurate, because if they take longer than 2 weeks, I'll have to wait even longer to get to the store because my classes are starting and I'll be out of town. If it does indeed get here within the two weeks, I'll be able to get it no problem. Again, I'm not in a rush, but I just wanted to know what to expect. And yes, i'm asking for anecdotal evidence, because a company, LIKE AT&T, can actually be behind or ahead of schedule.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Are you even serious about a virtual keyboard being better than a real qwerty?

I can only speak for myself on this one, but I'm definitely faster on the onscreen keyboard, but in large part because of Apple's awesome predictive text system. I respect that a lot of people like the tactile response of a real keyboard though.

You want to argue cell phones and you're not familiar with Symbian....okay, it only has a 67% share of the smartphone software market.

Yeah, Symbian is huge, and it's been around for awhile, which accounts for it's larger selection of applications. But, the App Store is adding news stuff at a surprising rate, and I'm actually shocked at how much is available for iPhone considering the App Store hasn't been open for a month yet.

Nice how you don't mention the flash...even megapixels being equal, iPhone has one of the worse cameras out there. There's also a second camera in the front for video-conferencing. Can the iPhone do that through an app too?

Video conferencing is pretty cool, and a lot of people speculated it would be in the new iPhone, but alas it didn't make the cut. But it is definitely a feature I couldn't care less about. I wouldn't see myself ever using it. That said, no App is going to easily allow for that on the iPhone anytime soon.

The slams against the iPhone camera are over played however, as it's actually a decent camera, that can take some great shots. I've found that most people just don't know how to use it properly. I tell people to press the button and hold it, frame up your shot, THEN release the button when you've got the image you want. Works great for me, but a lot of people simply tap the button and get really shitty pictures as a result. Most cell phones don't have a flash though, although it is a growing feature.

No it's not, I don't have to hit the home button, I can just start typing, it will always be faster and you know it, not only because it has real keys, but because the OS is faster.

Hitting the phone button and either selecting someone from my "Favorites" menu or from the "Contacts" list is pretty damn fast, and I barely have to look at the screen to find who I want. This is a matter of preference though. Does your phone have voice dialing? That's a feature a lot of people miss on the iPhone. Not an issue for me, as I have a Sync system in my car, but it's a feature that many would like.

I see, so if battery life is better on the e71 that is no longer an important feature to you...

The iPhone is rated for a higher battery life than the E71. I find it hard to believe you can be doing any major surfing or other Internet features, on 3G and get three days of battery life. The iPhone is also used for a lot of other things by it's users, such as playing music and videos, which have a direct impact on it's battery life. It's also quickly become the number one phone for browsing the Internet, which obviously hits it's battery life as well. Simply saying "I get three days vs. your 2" is a bit of an over simplification.

firmware 2.0 and 2.1 came out within about 2 weeks of each other, if you choose not to upgrade that's your choice.

Firmware 2.0 came out July 11th, when the 3G launched. Firmware 2.01 came out a few days ago, so nearly a month between, and if you know the iPhone, or even the Touch's history, you know the firmware isn't getting updated "every other week". Quite frankly, I'm glad Apple is being responsive on fixing bugs, and adding features, and I have a first gen iPhone, picked up on Day 1, and there have been something like 5 or 6 updates over the course of the year, several of which have added significant features. Symbian being a more mature operating system shouldn't need as many updates regardless.

8gb is the current highest card size, 16gb and 32gb are coming this month, and if I can't speculate about card sizes, why can you speculate about iPhone's eventual software lineup?

How much was your phone, and how much does it cost to add this extra storage space? Also, does the phone support those larger cards? Just because higher capacity cards will be available in the future, doesn't mean that the OS or hardware will support it.

Higher capacity cards and iPhones will always be in the works. That goes without saying. I think Marty was trying to say that in two years, he'll want to upgrade to a newer phone, which will have a higher capacity, anyway. Personally, I don't feel the need to add my own extra capacity. My 8 GB iPhone has 300+ songs, 8-10 apps, and 4 full length movies, and I still have plenty of room on it. This is, of course, again quite subjective. You can fill 8 GB with video and music pretty quickly if you want to.


I get that you had your reasons for picking up the E71 and that you dig the phone. But some of your statements about the iPhone are just off the mark. Like any piece of technology however, you find what works for you and appeals to you. If you're happy with your choice, then no need to bash the selection of others, who are also very happy with their own selection.

 

[capslock]

Riiiggghhht Capslock, the only reason we don't care about Flash is that we're Apple fanboys.
It couldn't possibly be that we don't want Flash ads shitting up our mobile browser, could it?

Does your Nokia sync with your iTunes database? Does it automatically sync podcasts across your Macbook Pro and phone? Does it update the metadata and smart playlists across both devices? Can you rent a movie and sync it to your phone when you have a long flight? Hows reading books on your tiny screen? Will your physical keyboard change layout based on what you're typing?

These are features I care about. Expandable memory is useless to me if I can't sync my media to it properly. A tiny screen is useless to me. I owned a phone with the exact hardware layout as your Nokia, and I hated it. It was a kludgy compromise at best.

You seem to think we are changing our needs to match what the iPhone offers, but it's the other way around. I have never owned a phone that more perfectly fits what I need and want from a mobile experience. There is nothing even remotely close.

Dude, I wasn't even talking to you, in fact, this whole e71 vs. iPhone thing is something that you brought up by asking what phone I bought because, 'I could use a good laugh.'
So I suggest you stop acting so defensive and enjoy your virtual keyboard and large screen. I could bring up a number of propietary software features as well, but that's a road to nowhere. If the iPhone works for you, then good for you.

 

[Tobor]

Dude, I wasn't even talking to you, in fact, this whole e71 vs. iPhone thing is something that you brought up by asking what phone I bought because, 'I could use a good laugh.'
So I suggest you stop acting so defensive and enjoy your virtual keyboard and large screen. I could bring up a number of propietary software features as well, but that's a road to nowhere. If the iPhone works for you, then good for you.

I'm not attacking you for your phone choice, but you did call us all Apple fanboys over Flash, didn't you? And since when are well reasoned accurate points being defensive?

You claimed your phone to be superior in every facet, and I wanted to point out some features that are a) important to me, and b) can't be done anywhere else.

I realize everyone is ganging up on you, but those are the breaks.

 

[capslock]

I can only speak for myself on this one, but I'm definitely faster on the onscreen keyboard, but in large part because of Apple's awesome predictive text system. I respect that a lot of people like the tactile response of a real keyboard though.

Ok, that's good, fyi, the e71 has the same preditive text input system as the iPhone in addition to physical keys.

Yeah, Symbian is huge, and it's been around for awhile, which accounts for it's larger selection of applications. But, the App Store is adding news stuff at a surprising rate, and I'm actually shocked at how much is available for iPhone considering the App Store hasn't been open for a month yet.

Ok, I don't think I disputed that.

Video conferencing is pretty cool, and a lot of people speculated it would be in the new iPhone, but alas it didn't make the cut. But it is definitely a feature I couldn't care less about. I wouldn't see myself ever using it. That said, no App is going to easily allow for that on the iPhone anytime soon.

Ok, if you don't care about it that's fine.

The slams against the iPhone camera are over played however, as it's actually a decent camera, that can take some great shots. I've found that most people just don't know how to use it properly. I tell people to press the button and hold it, frame up your shot, THEN release the button when you've got the image you want. Works great for me, but a lot of people simply tap the button and get really shitty pictures as a result. Most cell phones don't have a flash though, although it is a growing feature.

Alright, although I would argue that most new phones coming out DO have flash. Even Xenon flash.

Hitting the phone button and either selecting someone from my "Favorites" menu or from the "Contacts" list is pretty damn fast, and I barely have to look at the screen to find who I want. This is a matter of preference though. Does your phone have voice dialing? That's a feature a lot of people miss on the iPhone. Not an issue for me, as I have a Sync system in my car, but it's a feature that many would like.

Yes, it has voice dialling, as well as voice navigation.

The iPhone is rated for a higher battery life than the E71. I find it hard to believe you can be doing any major surfing or other Internet features, on 3G and get three days of battery life. The iPhone is also used for a lot of other things by it's users, such as playing music and videos, which have a direct impact on it's battery life. It's also quickly become the number one phone for browsing the Internet, which obviously hits it's battery life as well. Simply saying "I get three days vs. your 2" is a bit of an over simplification.

It's a bigger battery so I am fairly certain that it would come out on top even if it had the same amount of usage, another advantage is that it's removable, so I don't have to send it in to Apple to replace it.

Firmware 2.0 came out July 11th, when the 3G launched. Firmware 2.01 came out a few days ago, so nearly a month between, and if you know the iPhone, or even the Touch's history, you know the firmware isn't getting updated "every other week". Quite frankly, I'm glad Apple is being responsive on fixing bugs, and adding features, and I have a first gen iPhone, picked up on Day 1, and there have been something like 5 or 6 updates over the course of the year, several of which have added significant features. Symbian being a more mature operating system shouldn't need as many updates regardless.

Ok.

How much was your phone, and how much does it cost to add this extra storage space? Also, does the phone support those larger cards? Just because higher capacity cards will be available in the future, doesn't mean that the OS or hardware will support it.




Higher capacity cards and iPhones will always be in the works. That goes without saying. I think Marty was trying to say that in two years, he'll want to upgrade to a newer phone, which will have a higher capacity, anyway. Personally, I don't feel the need to add my own extra capacity. My 8 GB iPhone has 300+ songs, 8-10 apps, and 4 full length movies, and I still have plenty of room on it. This is, of course, again quite subjective. You can fill 8 GB with video and music pretty quickly if you want to.

It's microSDHC compatible, so it will support it, and 8GB card is about 40-50 bucks, 16 GB will be about twice that I imagine. My phone was $400.00.

I get that you had your reasons for picking up the E71 and that you dig the phone. But some of your statements about the iPhone are just off the mark. Like any piece of technology however, you find what works for you and appeals to you. If you're happy with your choice, then no need to bash the selection of others, who are also very happy with their own selection.

Dude, I am not bashing anything, I apologize for my initial snarky response to Tobor, but honestly, as I have said subsequently, both these phones have their strengths, and if it works for you then great. I have different needs. In fact, as I have said previously, this thread is really not the discussion forum for it, although I am glad to have had a civil debate with you. I would be happy to continue this in an 'iPhone Killers?' thread.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Capslock: Yeah, I don't mind a good discussion no the devices either. Both obviously have their strengths and weaknesses, and appeal differently to different people and their needs. On that we can agree for sure.

I love my iPhone, but also see where it can be improved and what new features they can add to make it better in the future. Nokia has been in the phone game for a long time, and as I said, Symbian is a mature OS that's been around for a long time as well. Apple is picking up steam however, and is doing a lot of things right, it just might not do everything right for every person.