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[VanMardigan]

That is why no one should ever use iTunes to purchase music. With other places offering drm free mp3's that are cheaper and that let you download any purchased songs again, there is no legitimate reason in my mind to buy music on iTunes.

In fact, if someone would build software that reliably backed up my phone and offered me the ability to sync, I'd gladly remove that piece of crap software from my pc.

 

[Ashhong]

I do not have the old laptop anymore, but I cant download the music again from my iTunes account?

seems strange that they dont have a download button for the purchases that I have done in the past, you never know when your laptop crashes or stuff

oh im sure you can, ive just never bought music from itunes so i have no idea.

 

[Mar]

With other places offering drm free mp3's that are cheaper and that let you download any purchased songs again, there is no legitimate reason in my mind to buy music on iTunes.

You know iTunes hasn't had drm for quite some time now, right?

 

[VanMardigan]

I lost a music video once and I emailed apple and got it back. Not sure how the process works for multiple items.

Edit: Yeah, they dropped drm entirely this year, but last I checked the format was not mp3 and they raised the price on new songs. Plus my other complaints are still valid.

 

[Boards of Canada]

I'm thinking the new iPhone OS 3.0 update is a lot smaller than the previous one, because after I sync'd my music and apps (the same ones as I had in my phone before the new restore), I have way more free space available.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

What process did you guys go through to keep your 3.0 unlocked? I have a unlocked 2.2.1 2g but whenever I update it always says my sim isn't accepted.

Thanks

 

[DefectiveReject]

iPhone 3G returned to store, now to go a week and 2 days for the 3G S. UK o2 aren't allowing pre-orders at all, it is all a first come first served deal.

 

[Ashhong]

What process did you guys go through to keep your 3.0 unlocked? I have a unlocked 2.2.1 2g but whenever I update it always says my sim isn't accepted.

Thanks

im going to assume you have ATT and for some reason its not working with ATT?

because if you have tmobile you are shit out of luck.

 

[Ghost]

iPhone 3G returned to store, now to go a week and 2 days for the 3G S. UK o2 aren't allowing pre-orders at all, it is all a first come first served deal.

They want you to queue outside to show everyone how popular they are basically. Kinda dumb for a 3rd generation piece of kit, I'll order mine online and get it when I get it.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

im going to assume you have ATT and for some reason its not working with ATT?

because if you have tmobile you are shit out of luck.

Naw I ditched ATT a long time ago. I've been reading if you're phone's unlocked when you right click/restore, then it should stay unlocked when the new FW is on there.

 

[scorcho]

Naw I ditched ATT a long time ago. I've been reading if you're phone's unlocked when you right click/restore, then it should stay unlocked when the new FW is on there.

You're wrong until they unlock the OS and baseband

 

[YuriLowell]

I am thinking of possibly selling off my Sero account, and getting an iphone. I hate all the phones on Sero, and the pre cannot be used with Sero.

Is it worth the extra money a month?

 

[Slacker]

That is why no one should ever use iTunes to purchase music. With other places offering drm free mp3's that are cheaper and that let you download any purchased songs again, there is no legitimate reason in my mind to buy music on iTunes.

What mp3 service lets you download purchased songs again?

 

[StrikerObi]

What mp3 service lets you download purchased songs again?

Amazon for one. They keep a list of what you've bought and let you re-download. I'm positive they do for video, not sure about audio but I'm pretty sure they do.


First day running 3.0 at the office. I work at a University and we have campus-wide WiFi. It requires you to log-in via a web-browser page (you are automatically redirected when you open your browser), like a commercial hot spot. So, I got to test the new Automatic WiFi Login feature of 3.0. It doesn't work for me. The process is definitely different, but doesn't seem to be totally working. Instead of being redirected to a log-in page when I open Safari, now a window slides up from the bottom of the screen with the log-in page. I type in my username and password, hit go, and it works like normal, only since the log-in page is now on a slide-up page, it just slides down and goes away, and I go about my business.

The way my network works, if you are inactive for a long enough time (somewhere between 15-30 minutes, I'm not sure exactly) you're logged out so when you start browsing again you have to log-in again. It's a giant pain in the ass for iPhone users seeing as most browsing sessions on the iPhone are pretty short. As a result, I'm typing my username and password into that log-in page multiple times a day (between 3-10 depending on how much I use the phone). I don't know what's up with it, but in the new version of Safari, when I'm logging in to web sites, it doesn't ask to save the password every time. For example, it won't ask to save the password when I go to Twitter's mobile site, but it will when I go to Facebook's. I'm not sure why it is only remembering information for certain sites. My campus log-in page is one of these sites. It doesn't offer to remember the info, so it can't pull it back up to do the automatic log-in, which is why i think it isn't working for me

 

[Manics]

So I finally figured out my iTunes issue. Posting it here in case others ever have issues with albums not showing up.

Basically it's a tag issue. Doesn't seem to like some of the tags so I had to selected all the music in iTunes, right click and convert tags to ID3v2.3, then remove and re-add all the music into iTunes. Since I didn't know which albums were affected out of 65Gb or so I just did the entire fucking collection.

what a complete pain in the ass.

Edit: so just re-adding the music to iTunes now. I went from "All albums" only showing me 519 and now it's up to 790. Almost 300 screwed up albums. Glad I went through this excersize. Everything should be in order now.

 

[Klotera]

I lost a music video once and I emailed apple and got it back. Not sure how the process works for multiple items.

Edit: Yeah, they dropped drm entirely this year, but last I checked the format was not mp3 and they raised the price on new songs. Plus my other complaints are still valid.

New songs are still geneally $1. And you can convert to mp3 from wthin iTunes (right click -> create mp3 version) if needed for another device.

 

[LCfiner]

I lost a music video once and I emailed apple and got it back. Not sure how the process works for multiple items.

Edit: Yeah, they dropped drm entirely this year, but last I checked the format was not mp3 and they raised the price on new songs. Plus my other complaints are still valid.

regarding file format. it's aac (aka mp4). every music player under the sun plays that format.

the price hike on new songs still sucks.

 

[SuperPac]

I do not have the old laptop anymore, but I cant download the music again from my iTunes account?

seems strange that they dont have a download button for the purchases that I have done in the past, you never know when your laptop crashes or stuff

Not to point out the obvious, but you probably should've checked that *before* you got rid of the laptop.

 

[Slacker]

Amazon for one. They keep a list of what you've bought and let you re-download. I'm positive they do for video, not sure about audio but I'm pretty sure they do.

Nope, Amazon was my primary source before iTunes finally went no-DRM. If they had allowed redownloads, I would have stuck with 'em.

From Amazon's TOS:

Once you have purchased Digital Content, we encourage you to download it promptly and to make back-up copies of it. If you are unable to complete a download after having reviewed our online help resources, please contact Amazon customer service. You bear all risk of loss after purchase and for any loss of Digital Content you have downloaded, including any loss due to a computer or hard drive crash.

 

[KennyLinder]

Email Apple and explain the issue. I had a problem recently where both my external hdd and laptop hdd died within a matter of weeks, so I lost everything.

I emailed Apple explaining that I had loads of iTunes purchased stuff and could they do anything about it. They replied back within 24hrs and had added a "Download again" option in my account history section on iTunes. I hit that, and went and made a coffee whilst it redownloaded all my purchased music. Bam!

They were really helpful actuallly and even emailed me back a couple of days later to see how if I was sorted. A human emailed me too, not a robot.

 

[VOOK]

Rocking 3.0 now, so awesome.

 

[VanMardigan]

Amazon for one. They keep a list of what you've bought and let you re-download. I'm positive they do for video, not sure about audio but I'm pretty sure they do.

So does Zune marketplace. And Amazon/lala.com offer lower prices than iTunes and have more sales on music than iTunes. Zune has variable pricing now too, but they have a history tab that allows you to download all your purchases again, EVEN ON A DIFFERENT MACHINE. Like I said, nobody should be buying on iTunes with the cheaper, better options out there.

 

[Gowans]

Rocking 3.0 now, so awesome.

I might throw this on a week early.

Is it safe? (UK)
Where can I nab it?
How do I install?

edit: found it http://i.gizmodo.com/5284779/iphone-os-30-now-available-in-torrent

 

[DarkJC]

Not to point out the obvious, but you probably should've checked that *before* you got rid of the laptop.

Not to mention it's not like you can pull all your music off the iPhone anyway, so I'm not sure why he wouldn't have transferred his music over to the new computer before he got rid of it.

I mean, even if he had a phone backup on his new machine, the backup doesn't include all your music and applications, just your settings/texts/bookmarks/misc data like that.

 

[Slacker]

So does Zune marketplace. And Amazon/lala.com offer lower prices than iTunes and have more sales on music than iTunes. Zune has variable pricing now too, but they have a history tab that allows you to download all your purchases again, EVEN ON A DIFFERENT MACHINE. Like I said, nobody should be buying on iTunes with the cheaper, better options out there.

I already mentioned that Amazon doesn't allow re-downloads. I can't make much sense of WTF lala.com is, but this doesn't sound promising:

http://www.lala.com/#termsofservice

eMasters downloaded into your account's Personal Server Space may be accessed and streamed from any personal computer but only after providing your user name and password. You may sync a single copy of eMasters from your account's Personal Server Space to a single personal computer.

And the Zune Marketplace? Maybe something has changed since this was posted in February?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/967692

MP3 tracks that are purchased from Zune Marketplace are not eligible for redownload, repurchase, or restore.

We strongly recommend that you make a backup copy of any MP3s that you purchase to make sure that your content will remain available for you to enjoy.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Just noticed that 3.0 improved Exchange support. Now you can keep your personal contacts and calendars rather than having to use only your Exchange information. When you put in a new Exchange account, it asks "Do you want to keep your existing contacts?"

You can also choose which folders you want to be notified about when you receive new mail with Push. Previously, it only badged the Mail icon for new stuff in your Inbox only.

 

[Operations]

Has the price for an un-subsidized 32 GB iphone been revealed? I might end up grabbing one at ebay if the price is right.

 

[Keylime]

Has the price for an un-subsidized 32 GB iphone been revealed? I might end up grabbing one at ebay if the price is right.

It can be yours for the mere price of $699! ACT NOW!

Listed in the fine print:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/buy/

 

[VanMardigan]

I can't make much sense of WTF lala.com is, but this doesn't sound promising:

http://www.lala.com/#termsofservice

lala.com is a service where you can listen to songs on your web browser, but you can purchase drm-free mp3's from them as well. You can either purchase them with a saved credit card (like on iTunes), or put money in a virtual "wallet" for future purchases. Not sure what is so confusing about that for you. The prices are lower than on iTunes, and they have tons of sales. I bought relapsed from Eminem for $3.99. The album prices are also much lower than on iTunes even without the sales. On average, about $1.50 to $2 cheaper, sometimes dramatically more.


And the Zune Marketplace? Maybe something has changed since this was posted in February?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/967692

I can log into Zune here at work, go to settings, go to account, look at my purchase history, and download the songs again. I can see that you haven't really done much outside of iTunes other than reading terms of service, but here's the bottom line:

1. Zune has similar prices to iTunes and you can re-download the songs.
2. Amazon, lala.com and I'm sure other sites have prices LOWER than iTunes

Now, is there a compelling reason to purchase songs from iTunes instead of those other services?

Just noticed that 3.0 improved Exchange support.

Can you have more than one account now?

 

[StrikerObi]

Just noticed that 3.0 improved Exchange support. Now you can keep your personal contacts and calendars rather than having to use only your Exchange information. When you put in a new Exchange account, it asks "Do you want to keep your existing contacts?"

You can also choose which folders you want to be notified about when you receive new mail with Push. Previously, it only badged the Mail icon for new stuff in your Inbox only.

When looking at things like calendars you can now select "All MobileMe" and "All Exchange". Previously, you had two options: one single calendar or all your calendars. This drove me nuts to the point where I turned off Exchange calendar support because I didn't want to have to see the group calendar I subscribe to all the time as it has tons of stuff on it cluttering up my view of all the other calendars. Now I keep it set to "All MobileMe" and just look at Exchange calendars on an as-needed basis.

 

[Operations]

It can be yours for the mere price of $699! ACT NOW!

Listed in the fine print:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/buy/

Christ :lol Well, still cheaper that buying it from the local Mexican provider that carries the iphone (the 16 GB iphone is priced at $848 aprox).

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Christ :lol Well, still cheaper that buying it from the local Mexican provider that carries the iphone (the 16 GB iphone is priced at $848 aprox).

That price isn't exactly out of line with other high end smartphones when not being subsidized. The Pre is similarly priced as is the Nokia N97.

 

[prettyvacant77]

If re-downloading is an issue, try www.7digital.com.

Excellent quality (your choice of MP3@320kbps, AAC, WMA), no DRM, online digital locker you can download from anytime you like. Well priced too, use them all the time.

 

[Slacker]

I can log into Zune here at work, go to settings, go to account, look at my purchase history, and download the songs again. I can see that you haven't really done much outside of iTunes other than reading terms of service, but here's the bottom line:

1. Zune has similar prices to iTunes and you can re-download the songs.
2. Amazon, lala.com and I'm sure other sites have prices LOWER than iTunes

Now, is there a compelling reason to purchase songs from iTunes instead of those other services?

Do you have a Zune pass? Microsoft's site specifically says you can't redownload purchased songs, so if that's not the case, they need to clear that up.

I won't knock Amazon MP3, I've downloaded hundreds of dollars worth of music from them. I'll still go there if they've got something cheaper than iTunes. My only point is that they don't allow redownloads. If they did, I'd buy everything there exclusively.

Lala.com looks like DRM hell. Maybe I'm mistaken there, but it doesn't look worth the trouble over Amazon or iTunes to me.

 

[LCfiner]

I can log into Zune here at work, go to settings, go to account, look at my purchase history, and download the songs again. I can see that you haven't really done much outside of iTunes other than reading terms of service, but here's the bottom line:

1. Zune has similar prices to iTunes and you can re-download the songs.
2. Amazon, lala.com and I'm sure other sites have prices LOWER than iTunes

Now, is there a compelling reason to purchase songs from iTunes instead of those other services?

I'm not American. those other places don't want my business.

 

[VanMardigan]

Lala.com looks like DRM hell. Maybe I'm mistaken there, but it doesn't look worth the trouble over Amazon or iTunes to me.

There is no DRM on lala.com mp3's you purchase. You seem to be easily confused. The site does other things (like allow you to upload your music so it's available to you from any web browser). But we're talking about purchasing songs, and in that context, lala.com is no different from iTunes.

1. You save your credit card (like iTunes) or transfer money to a "wallet" for your purchases
2. You buy a DRM free mp3 for LESS than you would on iTunes

That's not so hard, is it?

I'm not American. those other places don't want my business.

This is true for Amazon, since I AM American and I STILL can't purchase from them (I live in a territory). But I was able to purchase songs from lala.com just fine so maybe give them a try.

 

[scorcho]

I can't think of any mp3 store that allows you to re-download your purchases.

But I agree - lala is great. I can stream nearly all of my mp3 collection from my workstation and have bought a couple of web-only albums for dirt cheap prices. No complaints.

 

[Gowans]

well 3.0 is running sweetly for me, glad I have no patience.

 

[Manics]

well 3.0 is running sweetly for me, glad I have no patience.

Me too. When I heard it was a week away I originally thought to myself "I can wait a week", but then when I saw there were no issues going to the gold master I said fuck it I can't wait! :lol :lol

 

[jax (old)]

This version of iPhone OS 3.0 should only be deployed on devices dedicated for iPhone OS 3.0 GM Seed software development. By installing iPhone OS 3.0 GM Seed software on your Authorized Test Devices, these Devices are permanently “locked” into testing mode and cannot be restored to an earlier release of iPhone OS. Bear this in mind before installing the software.

I was keen. did some googling and found the above.

http://www.blogsdna.com/3585/iphone-os-30-gm-gold-master-leaked-on-torrent-websites.htm

I'll wait.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

While I wouldn't mind joining the 3.0 crowd, I can wait a week without any problem. I remember installing one of the 2.x versions from the GM last year, and it seemed to work fine as well, but later it was discovered that it caused battery issues, and some people had a difficult time performing the update to the actual release version later. After that, I figured I could wait for it.

 

[Blackhead]

I was keen. did some googling and found the above.

http://www.blogsdna.com/3585/iphone-os-30-gm-gold-master-leaked-on-torrent-websites.htm

I'll wait.

Er, I think that's just a standard downgrade warning. All the betas came with it and there has been any problem so far. *sigh* I'll probably have to wait even longer than the one week so I can get the jailbreak upgrade with the software unlock capability.

Hmm, on 3.0 can you switch to landscape mode when the keyboard is already called up? I always forget and pull it up before I've rotated the phone

Also has anybody used a US iPhone in England? Any problems with O2?

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

Me too. When I heard it was a week away I originally thought to myself "I can wait a week", but then when I saw there were no issues going to the gold master I said fuck it I can't wait! :lol :lol

Are you having youtube problems on 3.0? I read where a lot of ppl aren't able to use youtube for some reason. I couldn't when I used beta 1.

 

[DarkJC]

Are you having youtube problems on 3.0? I read where a lot of ppl aren't able to use youtube for some reason. I couldn't when I used beta 1.

There was a youtube issue with beta 1 (and maybe 2) where if you restored from a backup you couldn't use it. Pretty sure that's been fixed since beta 3.

I restored from a backup on the gold master and everything works flawlessly.

edit:

Hmm, on 3.0 can you switch to landscape mode when the keyboard is already called up? I always forget and pull it up before I've rotated the phone

Yes in Messages, no in Safari. Didn't test the other apps like mail and notes and what have you but I bet its a yes for them too.

 

[jonnybryce]

Is there a valid reason why it hasn't been and still isn't possible in Safari?

 

[DarkJC]

Is there a valid reason why it hasn't been and still isn't possible in Safari?

Nope, other than I'm thinking it went like this:

Landscape is new for the other apps, so when implementing it thats how they did it. They never touched that aspect of Safari since it already supported landscape mode and thought nothing of it.

 

[Manics]

Are you having youtube problems on 3.0? I read where a lot of ppl aren't able to use youtube for some reason. I couldn't when I used beta 1.

No problems that I've encountered so far in any of the apps I've tried. MMS works for me as well since i'm with Rogers. The only thing that isn't enabled is Internet tethering as it tells me I need to contact Rogers. I haven't bothered yet, figure I'll wait until 3.0 goes live next week to bother Rogers about it.

 

[Firestorm]

No problems that I've encountered so far in any of the apps I've tried. MMS works for me as well since i'm with Rogers. The only thing that isn't enabled is Internet tethering as it tells me I need to contact Rogers. I haven't bothered yet, figure I'll wait until 3.0 goes live next week to bother Rogers about it.

Which data plan are you on? Tethering with Rogers is only available on 1GB plans and up.

 

[dorkimoe]

do i have to have the phone jailbroken to get those awesome smiling piece of shit smilies

edit nvm

 

[Manics]

Using the GAF webapp right now. Fuck what a great job on this!