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Kung Fu Jedi said:
URL recognition I've seen before, but not phone number. My co-worker's Treo's don't do phone number recognition that I've ever seen.

Was it a Palm OS or Windows-based Treo? Naturally my Blackberry runs neither of those OSes, but it converts all phone numbers, e-mail address, URLs, etc in text into hyperlinks that can then be launched to their appropriate app. It's a neat feature, just one I've seen for awhile on a variety of phones, and mind you my Blackberry's no spring chicken.
 
tedtropy said:
Was it a Palm OS or Windows-based Treo? Naturally my Blackberry runs neither of those OSes, but it converts all phone numbers, e-mail address, URLs, etc in text into hyperlinks that can then be launched to their appropriate app. It's a neat feature, just one I've seen for awhile on a variety of phones, and mind you my Blackberry's no spring chicken.

They're Palm based. And personally, I haven't been impressed with Palm software in a really long time. I do think Windows Mobile is a nice OS finally. Windows Mobile 5 and now 6 are vast improvements.

I freely admit my experience with Blackberries are pretty limited. Which is why I was legitimately asking questions in the other thread about how they worked.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
They're Palm based. And personally, I haven't been impressed with Palm software in a really long time. I do think Windows Mobile is a nice OS finally. Windows Mobile 5 and now 6 are vast improvements.

I freely admit my experience with Blackberries are pretty limited. Which is why I was legitimately asking questions in the other thread about how they worked.

Newer Treos run Windows Mobile. Palm OS was behind the curve for the longest time, and I'm not really sure what the fate of it is these days.
 
tedtropy said:
Newer Treos run Windows Mobile. Palm OS was behind the curve for the longest time, and I'm not really sure what the fate of it is these days.

Yeah, I remember when they started offering Treos with Windows Mobile, but you can get flavors with either OS even now. It seems development on the Palm OS is nearly at a standstill now, and they've been focusing on other projects like the Folio, which really just makes you scratch your head and wonder what they're thinking.
 
There are strong rumors that an iPhone "Nano" will be released before the end of the year.

If this is true, it's probably the iPhone I'd buy. Don't really see the point of always having the internet in your pocket (well I guess I do, but I think it's dumb), so if the nano is a good product, I could definitely see getting it.

Storage capacity is definitely an issue though. I could maybe see the nano coming out at 4 GB, and Apple bumping the iPhone to 8/16 GB models. Remember that Apple actually doubled the size of the original iPod's drive only 4 months after it's release, so I think we could definitely be in store for some new offerings this fall/winter.
 
I have to wonder if it's such a good idea to expand the iPhone line that quickly. I guess if they want to offer a barebones phone that offers iTunes/sync connectivity and music-playing then it would make some kind of sense. Not everyone needs Internet in their pocket. And Apple has learned with the iPod that you can have multiple levels of consumer for a device. But what features of the full iPhone would it leave out? Multitouch?

It would seem to kind of cannibalize things, especially at a time where the iPhone is just starting out and is still considered one of the "hot" tech products of the moment. Though I guess having two "hot" tech products is even better than just one. I'd hope they'd get to introducing that rumored ultraportable laptop next, as that's just the type of thing I would like to purchase.
 
I'll go on record predicting that we won't see an 'iPhone Nano' this year. I think the next focus will be putting the iPhone features onto the iPod minus the phone and Internet functions. Multi touch screen, cover flow, widescreen, etc.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Yeah, I remember when they started offering Treos with Windows Mobile, but you can get flavors with either OS even now. It seems development on the Palm OS is nearly at a standstill now, and they've been focusing on other projects like the Folio, which really just makes you scratch your head and wonder what they're thinking.
1) My Treo, the 650, running Palm OS 5.2 Garnet, has phone number recognition in the browser and in emails.
2) My father would be the perfect candidate for the foleo. He doesn't need a full laptop. Just sometimes he needs a bigger screen/keyboard, because he's older than us, to type out his emails and access a few documents. He actually really liked my Treo and I haven't shown him the foleo yet.
3) I'm really goddamn disappointed that the PalmOS is virtually fcuking identical to how it was 5 goddamn years ago.
 
why would you have a phone that doesn't connect to the internet? If you have a cellular engine, you can connect to the internet. Maybe remove wifi and just use edge, but that doesn' t save you a lot.

and you can't (IMO) have an iphone without the touch, or the smooth, fast operation. That means good screen, large enough to use fingers, and a good processor to push it around.

I'm just not sure what you could cut out of the current 4GB iphone to make it smaller/cheaper without turning it into a bog-standard phone.
 
mrklaw said:
why would you have a phone that doesn't connect to the internet? If you have a cellular engine, you can connect to the internet. Maybe remove wifi and just use edge, but that doesn' t save you a lot.

and you can't (IMO) have an iphone without the touch, or the smooth, fast operation. That means good screen, large enough to use fingers, and a good processor to push it around.

I'm just not sure what you could cut out of the current 4GB iphone to make it smaller/cheaper without turning it into a bog-standard phone.

Maybe the iPhone nano would just be a standard phone + iPod? I could see them marketing it without a web browser and Youtube etc. and just having a touchscreen phone + iPod for something around $249-$300...then again, a regular phone + mp3 player doesn't seem to be Apple's style.
 
Well, I don't *need* the internet in my pocket, either... but now that I've got it.. I don't want to give it up :)

I really just wanted to combine my ipod and my phone and I love touch interfaces, those two things and aesthetics sold me on the iPhone.

unlike the ipod video, watching movies and tv shows on the iPhone is a pleasure, and with a dashboard mount like this one:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...etron&lp=6&type=product&cp=1&id=1138084373352

and the http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...itrip+universal&type=product&id=1175388883308


along with a trimmed one of these using an exacto-knife - http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...ed&kw=stereo+adapter+angled&parentPage=search


Now I've got my music within touching distance while driving :)

Coverflow and multitouch are the ultimate non-integrated car control way to manipulate your music :D
 
Update on that battery usage (I connected my iPhone for a bit of syncing last night and left the it charging for like 5 minutes and when I took it out the "Usage" was wiped out so these are rough estimates):

Usage: ~4 hrs (About 30 minutes on EDGE, 25 min iPod, 30 min talking, some video viewing, wi-fi on, mail check every hour, and a good amount of texting)
Standby: ~1 Day, 15 hrs

The battery got down to 15% around this point. I'm charging the battery fully and having another go at it...do those numbers seem normal?
 
http://code.google.com/p/manzana/downloads/list Here is a drag and drop program to change ringtones, icons, etc.
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
I'll go on record predicting that we won't see an 'iPhone Nano' this year. I think the next focus will be putting the iPhone features onto the iPod minus the phone and Internet functions. Multi touch screen, cover flow, widescreen, etc.

I doubt we'll see a new iPhone model before 3/08.
 
The Sphinx said:
Current Usage: 3 hours, 49 minutes
Standby: 1 day, 3 hours

Battery gauge is at about 80% charge remaining.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure now my battery's one of those affected.

Current Usage: 3 hours, 43 minutes
Standby: 19 hours, 27 minutes

Battery's got about 40% charge left...
 
I had a chance to fiddle with an iPhone the other day. The basic ideas of the iPhone are great and I liked it, but I won't be paying $600 to suffer AT&T's network. It should be an excellent device in a couple of years once they clean up the casing design a bit and add some of the miscellaneous functionality it lacks now. The touch keyboard works better than I expected, though it seems more like a sideways step than a meaningful improvement over current designs.
 
DjangoReinhardt said:
I had a chance to fiddle with an iPhone the other day. The basic ideas of the iPhone are great and I liked it, but I won't be paying $600 to suffer AT&T's network. It should be an excellent device in a couple of years once they clean up the casing design a bit and add some of the miscellaneous functionality it lacks now. The touch keyboard works better than I expected, though it seems more like a sideways step than a meaningful improvement over current designs.

I'd call it meaningful considering that the virtual keyboard means that you get a large screen and exceptionally thin form factor. I do agree that the keyboard itself may not represent the biggest jump over similar solutions (although I find that I can type faster with it than any of the physical keyboards).

I'm making this post from the iPhone; the software behind the error correction is what makes this work.
 
mashoutposse said:
I'd call it meaningful considering that the virtual keyboard means that you get a large screen and exceptionally thin form factor. I do agree that the keyboard itself may not represent the biggest jump over similar solutions (although I find that I can type faster with it than any of the physical keyboards).

I'm making this post from the iPhone; the software behind the error correction is what makes this work.

I've gotten really good at typing on the keyboard. I can zip out a few lines of text in no time now. I just plow on through and it catches pretty much all the mistakes I make, though I don't make very many to begin with.
 
Finally broke down and bought one and I'm very happy with the purchase so far. My only issue is the earpiece volume is slightly low, otherwise awesome.

All my qualms before buying it were answered pretty quickly. Deleting email does take awhile, especially if you have alot, but not nearly as long as some people were killing themselves about.

I just hope they add an iChat app and some minor software fixes (horizontal keyboard for all apps and more settings stick out to me)
 
Bowser said:
Update on that battery usage (I connected my iPhone for a bit of syncing last night and left the it charging for like 5 minutes and when I took it out the "Usage" was wiped out so these are rough estimates):

Usage: ~4 hrs (About 30 minutes on EDGE, 25 min iPod, 30 min talking, some video viewing, wi-fi on, mail check every hour, and a good amount of texting)
Standby: ~1 Day, 15 hrs

The battery got down to 15% around this point. I'm charging the battery fully and having another go at it...do those numbers seem normal?

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I'm using mine as a wi-fi iPod and had it plugged in once between full charges for 2 mins to sync.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
has anyone heard that some customers are being allowed to go back to their regular $39.99/month plans instead of the $60 data plans?

I presented my unique situation to them and was given the option of downgrading to a $29.99 plan.
 
BrendenLee said:
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I'm using mine as a wi-fi iPod and had it plugged in once between full charges for 2 mins to sync.

Yeah, I'm seeing people get ~7 hrs usage and ~2 days standby on howardforums...I think I'm gonna take mine to the Apple Store tomorrow.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
what was that?

I'll soon be heading out of the country to start my career and only need my iPhone for visits when I come back. Actually to be clear, I was given the option of changing to a GoPhone or a $29.99 plan. They were quite nice about ending the contract, no early termination fee, activation fee and was told at the end "It was an honor working with you."

Make enough noise and they'll help you out.
 
Fusebox said:
Does call time '0' mean that in those 5 days of standby you didn't make or receive a single call?

Yeah, he said he's using it as a wi-fi iPod (you can see in the top left corner it says "No SIM").
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Shanty are you getting improved battery after taking it in to the Apple Store for the reset? Seen any change?

It's hard to say. I use it more like a real phone now- i.e. not turning it on every 5 minutes. It seems the life is worse if you use it consistently, if that makes sense (for example, checking websites, email, etc. constantly). The usage seems to go up if you do there less regularly.

I have about 40% remaining on 4 hours of usage. Because it may just be a SW issue I am reserving judgement. 6 hours of "real" usage is not bad in my book, and this charge seems close to that.
 
shantyman said:
It's hard to say. I use it more like a real phone now- i.e. not turning it on every 5 minutes. It seems the life is worse if you use it consistently, if that makes sense (for example, checking websites, email, etc. constantly). The usage seems to go up if you do there less regularly.

I have about 40% remaining on 4 hours of usage. Because it may just be a SW issue I am reserving judgement. 6 hours of "real" usage is not bad in my book, and this charge seems close to that.

Yeah, the 20% warning came up after I had 4 hrs, 16 minutes of usage, but then I listened to some music and a 45 min podcast with headphones and the screen off, and I ended up getting the usage up to 6 hrs, 28 minutes before the battery died completely.
 
I made a custom battery and icons using G.A.N.T icons by Mattahan. I need to do a little work on the battery edges but it looks decent with the phone icons.
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Wow web surfing really drains the battery...posting this from my iPhone, I've been browsing for about 30 minutes and I went from a full battery to about 75%.
 
shantyman said:
I read somewhere that Wi Fi surfing drains less than Edge.
That makes sense. I think using Edge requires the iPhone to use its radio transceiver which is probably the most battery draining component. The wifi chip on the other hand is likely much more battery friendly. I browse using Wifi for 15-30 minutes each night and it doesn't seem to impact my battery much at all.
 
The Sphinx said:
$69, it extends the hardware warranty to two years. I've just read through the fine print and it does cover the battery. That's not bad.


Yeah, that's not too bad actually, although I think if you already have the $350 applecare for your macbook and buy products such as ipods and iphones, you should be covered.
 
Not sure how to search but anyone knows if:

We are gonna get an Ipod with Iphone features? Basically a new Ipod video without the phone part?
 
TiVo said:
Not sure how to search but anyone knows if:

We are gonna get an Ipod with Iphone features? Basically a new Ipod video without the phone part?


That's the speculation but there has been no confirmation so far from Apple. I have a feeling even if Apple were planning this they won't do it this year just so that the iPhone has the limelight for a bit longer.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I actually thought I read the opposite. That EDGE at it's slower speeds was actually more battery efficient.

Yeah, that's what I heard as well. I was using Wi-Fi for what it's worth.
 
Interesting blog piece about the supposed 50% margin:

Thursday, 26 July 2007

iSuppli is a “market intelligence” company which, every time Apple releases a major new product, rips one apart and generates an estimated “bill of materials” for the costs of its components. Their estimates always seem to conclude that Apple is generating extraordinarily high profit margins, often in excess of 50 percent. They issue press releases trumpeting their research, which are then parroted in “Look at Apple’s crazy high profit margins!” stories all over the press.

I’m calling bullshit.

Take, for example, their report on the iPhone, which claimed a $599 8 GB iPhone costs Apple just $280 to produce. One problem with this is that they released this report in January, based not on a tear-down of an actual iPhone, but simply based on what they guessed was inside one.

In early July, they took some actual iPhones apart, and, surprise surprise, concluded they were pretty much spot-on back in January, with Apple earning margins of 55 percent. Holy Kreskin!

With amazing margins like this, no wonder several dozen news sites picked up the story, often with the emphasis that the iPhone is overpriced. Take, for instance, this story by Martyn Warwick for TelecomTV:

And that uncomfortable “ripped-off” feeling could well be exacerbated by new estimates released by iSuppli.

Margins on the device are running at an astonishing 55 per cent compared to below 30 per cent for most other smartphones. An analysis of the $599 iPhone indicates a manufacturing cost of $265.83 per unit although the factoring in of royalty payments and delivery logistics would increase that figure.

Warwick shifts from citing the figures as an estimate in one sentence to stating them as fact in the next. But we do not know that iPhone margins are 55 percent; what we know is that iSuppli, a company with no relationship to Apple whatsoever, claims Apple’s iPhone margins are 55 percent.

Searching in Google News, I’ve found several dozen stories from the past month about Apple’s supposedly exorbitant iPhone margins, but not one citing a source other than iSuppli.

Reasons for calling bullshit on iSuppli’s numbers:

Apple, as required by law, states their gross margins in their financial statements each quarter. For the past few years, these numbers have typically ranged from about 25 to 30 percent. But iSuppli has been claiming margins in excess of 50 percent for Apple’s most popular products for years. E.g. their claim last September that the then-new $199 4 GB iPod Nanos cost just $72 to produce, generating 64 percent margins. It’s true that Apple, in its quarterly statements, does not break down its margins product-by-product. And yes, in the 2007 Q3 results Apple issued yesterday, gross margin increased to an impressive 36 percent. But iSuppli has been claiming higher-than-50-percent margins on iPods for years, and Apple’s financial statements simply don’t back this.

It’s also the case that margins tend to go up over time, as a product goes from new to old. 80 GB hard drives, for example, almost certainly cost Apple less today than they did when they were first released last September. But iSuppli does its tear-downs when these products are new, and Apple’s margins are at their lowest.

The total cost of a product’s physical components is not the total cost to produce the finished product. Build quality, packaging, shipping, warranty costs – none of these are taken into consideration by iSuppli.

Some of their numbers are simply pulled out of thin air. The most precious iPhone ingredient, for example, is its software. Give some other company all of the physical components of an iPhone for the exact prices iSuppli quotes and tell them to produce an iPhone. Where would the software come from? Yet in iSuppli’s preliminary iPhone report, there’s this delightful line item:

Operating System - OSX: $7.00

I don’t know much about accounting, but I presume the development of the iPhone’s OS and application software counts as R&D, which is expensed differently than per-unit physical components. But regardless, iSuppli’s $7 number is pure nonsense. Try calling Apple and telling them you’d like to license OS X for your upcoming new cell phone, for $7 per unit. It makes no sense, and yet completely obscures the iPhone’s single biggest competitive advantage.
 
At best these estimates of how much Apple's products cost to manufacture are for the materials alone and do not factor in any kind of R&D, which clearly the iPhone had plenty of. Unlike Dell, Apple does a lot of R&D on new products.
 
shantyman said:
Interesting blog piece about the supposed 50% margin:

I've been calling "Bullshit..." on iSuppli's methods for a good, long while. It's about time people started waking up to the fact that they're no more accurate than a random NeoGAF post.
 
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