It's a terrible practice that should be stamped out. Girls and women should be able to choose who they marry when they are ready to, rather than having their lives dictated by men. All of this is horribly sexist bullshit.
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Iraq child marriage bill would allow 9 years-old girls to wed, limit women's rights
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It's a terrible practice that should be stamped out. Girls and women should be able to choose who they marry when they are ready to, rather than having their lives dictated by men. All of this is horribly sexist bullshit.
Solid warrior
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Duh. Tons of people have sex outside of getting married (and I personally would never marry someone without having sex with them first).
A 30 second glance tells me that most states allow consent for sexual activity around 16/17, with a couple really strange outliers, and the same goes for marriage, with some states allowing for it at 14-15.
Also a lot of states have ways to annul marriages if they were done fraudulently or without consent of a party, and age differences can play a huge part in consent laws. Seems like in a lot of states, a being outside a 3-4 year age difference constitutes statutory rape.
So, what's your point? There is, by the way, a huge difference between a 16 year old and a 9 year old, physically and mentally.
We lost money in Iraq, suffered a recession, and in the end country is going end up being worse than it was under Saddam. I still think that since Bush's daddy kicked Iraq's ass that Saddam was in our back pocket and that Bush Sr., being a CIA guy, realized what would happen if Saddam was toppled. Bush Jr. repeated the mistake that was made in Vietnam and this time it was even worse.
This is why you don't go into another country and force change. If the people wanted change bad enough they would have been the catalyst. Because you have a country of scared people who are going be taken over by a small group of extremists.
This is why you don't go into another country and force change. If the people wanted change bad enough they would have been the catalyst. Because you have a country of scared people who are going be taken over by a small group of extremists.
A human being an adult doesn't mean they are fit to have certain responsibilities.
Bush should in prison waiting a public execution right now. He used a nation that he was supposed to look out for to ruin another nation and to make himself and his friends richer.
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on a serious not, American intervention in Iraq has made it worse than Saddam era Iraq.
Yes Saddam was a major dick but he kept the religious extremos in check and women had more rights.
Now, you got "elections" mostly divided by sectarian differences and the religious extremos are running the show making it actually WORSE for Women and Children then before.
I don't give a fuck about getting flamed, but Iraq was better off with Saddam Hussein.
Damn straight.
Preach it brother.
davepoobond
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Technically it wouldn't be rape, right?
GoldenEye 007
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CornBurrito
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Well science isn't equipped to disprove magical claims in general. If we were starting with the neutral claim of free will may or may not exist, I'd say the pendulum swings further towards the "may not" side given current evidence.
Sho_Nuff82
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There are worse things than brutal secular dictators. Like brutal religious democracy. Look at Egypt. Or Syria.
It's like cultural relativists forget that some cultures endorsed cannibalism and human sacrifice. Just because something is part of a culture doesn't make it okay. It shouldn't take more than ten seconds to look at Western culture for a Westerner to say "wow that thing we do is sort of awful and I sure wish we'd stop that."
What magical claims? Not that your reaction is absurd but out of touch with most modern philosophers. I saw a documentary a while ago, where the nueroscience guy said something similar and attributing most philosophers to holding this position. They were, I think, tackling the dualist approach, the mind and brain, whereas a lot of philosophers are comfortable holding a materialist view. What their - materialist philosophers - key arguments hinge on is determinism. So you like others seem unable to comprehend what it is you are tackling and thus missing the point entirely.
Regardless, we're off topic and I don't wish to carry on this argument, as I've not gained anything from it, and don't think I will. So I'll concede, and leave said thread.
SquiddyCracker
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Moral relativism is absolutely a valid philosophy.
That doesn't mean that we can't force our own slice of moral onto other people, based on what we subjectively think is right and wrong.
Yes, the implication of that is that the man with power decides right and wrong, and well, that's reality for you.
A great piece by Rachels on the problems with cultural relativism. http://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phl306/Rachels1.pdf
PhoenixDark
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And therein lies the difference. At least our "morally corrupt" system doesn't treat women like property, to be abused and sold like chattel. Treating people like objects is never right, regardless of your societal or cultural norms/differences.
You Are Viewtiful
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From what I'm reading, he sounds like a moral relativist but that those morals must be backed up with sound reasoning. I agree with him. There were survival and morally acceptable reasons to marry off children in the past, but those forces do not exist in 2014 Iraq. The culture must fight to rise above the cultural inertia. Other Arab countries already stopped the practice so it's not asking for much.
testify.
The U.S. ages of consent are for post-pubic parties. There's no way to recharacterize the proposed bill as anything other than a cover for paedophilia.
Solid warrior
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And you forgot to mention that some states allow underage marriages in case of pregnancy or whatever the scenario depending on the state. There doesn't seem to be a universal agreement on age of consent for sex or the age of consent for marriage.
Plus, what is the difference between a 9 years and a 16 years old? And you seem to be missing the point of age of puberty.
Devolution
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The fuck is this really? Defense force for child rape?
Solid warrior
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Iraqis and middle easterners in general think that the west treat their women as object for sexual desires. Porn, Ads, Nudity, Legalizing prostitution. Again. Different perspectives.
The religious men in expensive suits are in control so who knows. Problem is that lots of ignorant people will just say "ok some important cleric said it so let's follow it"
Devolution
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Stop projecting the sexual objectification problems of the west as equally reprehensible as child brides.
Solid warrior
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Some states allow underage marriages with guardians consent. Do you think that this is rape?
I assure you that a nine-year-old Iraqi girl would see this as sick and deplorable.
Where do you live that has legalized prostitution?
Devolution
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You'll just come up with this nice disingenuous gem in response.
So let's not bother. You have an agenda of defending this practice for some fucking reason.
I wouldn't call Rachels a moral relativist, but he does think that the morals of a particular culture must prove fairly beneficial. Summed up here: "We may ask whether the practice promotes or hinders the welfare of the people whose lives are affected by it. And, as a corollary, we may ask if there is an alternative set of social arrangements that would do a better job of promoting their welfare. If so, we may conclude that the existing practice is deficient."
and you're serious about all this? holy shit.
I don't think you understand federalism. Each state has an age of consent but federally it's 18. In NY, the age of consent is 17. If a 17yr old dates a 22yr old and they make a sex tape, everything is fine. If that sex tape leaks and someone in another state watches it, then that 22yr old can get arrested for distributing child porn. You can be of age in your state but not federally.
And what does that have to do with 9yr old prepubescent children? Just take the L.
Never expected to see a defense force for the practice of selling children to elderly rapists.
Spring-Loaded
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Here, or just in general?
Devolution
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9, 10, a big fat wedding
Look. If you don't want to expend resources to go aide foreign people's, fine. I think you're wrong, and I think you're being short-sighted in pretending that problems on one side of the world won't effect us. But ok. Fine.
Just don't sit there and act like people are better off without intervention. Entire generations were lost in Rwanda, Sudan, Burma, etc all for no good reason that had nothing to do with self-determination.
Furthermore, the hypocrisy of this thought process is stunning, as this nation would likely not exist without foreign intervention.
Bad people exist and if we're not going to take a stand, fine. Let's just not insult the people dying by also trying to tell them it's for their own good.
Me and my family fled the country because he was persecuting the Kurds. You are wrong, it was horrifying.
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on a serious not, American intervention in Iraq has made it worse than Saddam era Iraq.
Yes Saddam was a major dick but he kept the religious extremos in check and women had more rights.
Now, you got "elections" mostly divided by sectarian differences and the religious extremos are running the show making it actually WORSE for Women and Children then before.
I don't give a fuck about getting flamed, but Iraq was better off with Saddam Hussein.
Ever notice "it's for their own good" is the rationale for invading anyone?
EscoBlades
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This is a joke post right?
This doesn't make any sense
Are you seriously asking this?
AwesomePossum
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Are you a pedophile?
TheKaeptain
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The shit I heard from Iraqis in 2003-2004 is horrifying.
PhoenixDark
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I'll ask you straight up: is objectifying women in porn/ads/etc equatable to selling a child bride to an older husband, as his slave/indentured servant? It's a pretty straight forward question any decent person should be able to answer without much thought.
7 years. 7 years is a long time, especially during, you know, the developmental stages of someone's life.
This troll, man. This troll.
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