triplestation
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does anybody else separate this fucking great movie from the cartoon that is the MCU?
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Iron Man (2008)
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does anybody else separate this fucking great movie from the cartoon that is the MCU?
SpartanN92
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I also like Iron Man 2. Fight me.
Tesseract
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yeah iron man 1 is still strong, but you can tell they just made shit up as they went
plays to rdj's strongest suites, apparently
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Darkmakaimura
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I rewatched it recently. It is quite different in tone.
Disney got a hold and the MCU became a more cookie cutter trope filled milking.
I still love GotG, Doctor Strange and Infinity War though.
Disney got a hold and the MCU became a more cookie cutter trope filled milking.
I still love GotG, Doctor Strange and Infinity War though.
Hulk_Smash
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I just thought about this movie the other day. One of the few MCU movies that had a decent social message to it without being preachy. Would've been better with a stronger super villain. Bridges was great. Iron Monger... not so much.
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TheSadRanger
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Iron Man 3 and the sky falling scene from the plane. 
Tesseract
Banned
Iron Man 3 and the sky falling scene from the plane.
hm? it seemed relatively plausible as i recall, he had boosters and they were over water
maybe i'm not remembering well, it's been several years
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Don't worry. That movie was very forgettable.
TheSadRanger
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There's no fucking way someone can hold on to a chain of people falling for that long. What would happen is their arms would rip off their sockets or they would let go due to the immense amount of weight.
That shit was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a movie ever.
They should have all fell into the ocean and died. The dude on the top is holding over 600 lbs of people with one arm with who know how much that multiplies due to momentum and gravity.
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triplestation
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the way he's working on the suit is so fun, you see the problems and the solutions
right before a test flight he asks jarvis to do a weather and ATC test, like that kind of thing is such a practical real world test situation
he is concerned about altitude and freezing
none of this important things would be of issue in an avengers movie, because when space cartoons are in your world earthly problems become so beyond rudimentary
Tesseract
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There's no fucking way someone can hold on to a chain of people falling for that long. What would happen is their arms would rip off their sockets or they would let go due to the immense amount of weight.
That shit was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a movie ever.
They should have all fell into the ocean and died. The dude on the top is holding over 600 lbs of people with one arm with who know how much that multiplies due to momentum and gravity.
ah, i'd forgotten most of the deets tbh
will take a look at the scene again in the morning
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MetalAlien
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My favorite are the Avengers and Infinity War.
triplestation
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my man seared off the first two motherfuckers facesThere's no fucking way someone can hold on to a chain of people falling for that long. What would happen is their arms would rip off their sockets or they would let go due to the immense amount of weight.
That shit was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a movie ever.
They should have all fell into the ocean and died. The dude on the top is holding over 600 lbs of people with one arm with who know how much that multiplies due to momentum and gravity.
triplestation
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ramin djwadi, the composer for iron man also composed the game of thrones opening
man did it give life to IM1 the same way danny elfman gave life to sam raimi's spider-man movies
dudes music is pretty much the voice of the last century or so
man did it give life to IM1 the same way danny elfman gave life to sam raimi's spider-man movies
dudes music is pretty much the voice of the last century or so
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sol_bad
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Nope, I love the whole MCU.
Funny thing is, I thought all the phase 1 films were very average up until the release of Avengers. That film retroactively made the previous 5 films go from average to good.
Phase 3 has hands down had the best films in the MCU, no questions. Iron Man and Avengers are only in the top tiers now because they were the firsts.
Funny thing is, I thought all the phase 1 films were very average up until the release of Avengers. That film retroactively made the previous 5 films go from average to good.
Phase 3 has hands down had the best films in the MCU, no questions. Iron Man and Avengers are only in the top tiers now because they were the firsts.
TUROK
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I was never all that into it. I love RDJ's whole smug billionaire playboy shtick, but as far as its action scenes go, it's just aight.
Iron Man 2 may not have been all that satisfying from a storytelling perspective, but the action scenes were cooler. Helped that they had Genndy Tartakovsky working on storyboarding the action.
Iron Man 2 may not have been all that satisfying from a storytelling perspective, but the action scenes were cooler. Helped that they had Genndy Tartakovsky working on storyboarding the action.
ExpandKong
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There's no fucking way someone can hold on to a chain of people falling for that long. What would happen is their arms would rip off their sockets or they would let go due to the immense amount of weight.
That shit was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a movie ever.
They should have all fell into the ocean and died. The dude on the top is holding over 600 lbs of people with one arm with who know how much that multiplies due to momentum and gravity.
it's like it's some kind of fucking comic book movie or some shit
lol nah for real though iron man 3 had problems but this was the least of them.
nush
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rewatched iron man 3 a few hours ago
pretty great tbh, the plane scene is rad
I only own Iron Man 3 on 3D Blu Ray because the store I brought my movies from kept shortchanging me so I shoplifted it to redress the balance. I'm gonna watch it now for that sweet added value.
NeoGiffer
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LordKasual
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I maintain that it's the best marvel film. The portrayal of technology in this movie was amazing.
I was immediately disappointed in 2 when everything just kind of went off the rails and pure Rule of Cool took over.
I was immediately disappointed in 2 when everything just kind of went off the rails and pure Rule of Cool took over.
NinjaMouse
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I'll join you in that crusade, as I also like Iron Man 2. It's 3 that was a bag of smashed assholes.
Kenpachii
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Rentahamster
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The only point where they would feel weight is at the end when Iron Man decelerates. Up until then, they're in free fall and essentially weightless.
Yeah, if the deceleration is great enough, the force exerted on the arms would be enough to tear them. However, I'm not sure what amount of force is needed to rip an arm out. Human deadlift world records are pretty high.
Deadlift - Wikipedia
These shredded motherfuckers are hanging over
In the movie, Tony says that he'll electrify their arm so they won't be able to let go.
Not that that's some sort of real explanation. I guess it's possible, but that's a bit of a stretch too. (but we're already talking about flying suits of armor, so maybe we could grant that Iron Man can precisely dole out the correct kind of current to a group of people to strengthen their grips while not inducing cardiac arrest lol)
Well, that dude is holding 600 lbs of people with one arm if we imagine him in a static situation where he's not falling, and say, just holding 4 other people with one arm while hanging from a jungle gym or something.
Like I mentioned earlier, their effective weight is zero during free fall. If before they hit the water, Iron Man decelerates at 1g, then that guy will experience the full 600 lb force or weight + the force due to deceleration. If we also assume that his arm has the tensile strength of a world record strongman, and that Tony is electrifying his grip to be strong enough to not let go, and that nobody's clothes tear, then it might be possible?
If we assume that their initial velocity is about 120 mph which is terminal velocity in the flying squirrel position*, and Tony decelerates to 0 mph at 1g, then it'll take around 5.5 seconds to fully stop, which would mean that guy has to carry what feels like 1200 lbs for 5.5 seconds before hitting the water. Just like how you feel heavier when an elevator going down decelerates as it comes to a stop, decelerating while already moving down makes everything feel heavier than it is at rest. In the movie clip, it looks like he's firing his boosters for roughly 6-ish seconds.
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We could actually make it even easier on the humans if we assume that Iron Man doesn't even decelerate to 0 mph before dropping them in the water. The world record for jumping into water from tall heights in 2015 is 193 feet.
If we assume that Iron Man only needs to decelerate from 120 mph to 76 mph over a span of 6-ish seconds, then he only needs to decelerate at -3.28 m/s^2 , which gives an effective weight of about 800 lbs instead of 1200 lbs.
HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS is that when Iron Man catches the last guy, JARVIS said they're only 200 ft above the water. In the hypothetical above, in order to decelerate at -3.28 m/s^2, for 6 seconds at an initial speed of 120 mph to a speed of 76 mph, you'd need about 860 ft. That doesn't match up with the information given to us by JARVIS.
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If you calculate what the deceleration is when going from 120 mph to 76 mph over a span of only 200 ft, you'd have to decelerate at 14 m/s^2 over a period of 1.4 seconds.
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At that point, it feels like carrying 1500 lbs instead of 600 lbs.
In conclusion, there's a lot of conflicts between the information we're told, the visuals we see, movie time elapsed, and the math behind it all. The editing, while visually cool, doesn't help with the analysis. But all that considered, I'd have to declare that
who cares it's just a stupid MARVEL movie jesus fucking christ
someone better at physics than me check my math and free body diagrams
someone better at physics than me check my math and free body diagrams
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_skydiving
mcz117chief
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I'm with you. Up to The Avengers it was at least watchable but it became incredibly dull after. The only movie I watched and enjoyed after The Avengers was Spiderman Homecoming.
triplestation
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It will always be one of my favorite MCU films, possibly my top ranked MCU film. It's an awesome movie. Holds up perfectly. Set the stage for the MCU as we know it
Pejo
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Get a load of this guy, he can't even curl 600 lbs.There's no fucking way someone can hold on to a chain of people falling for that long. What would happen is their arms would rip off their sockets or they would let go due to the immense amount of weight.
That shit was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a movie ever.
They should have all fell into the ocean and died. The dude on the top is holding over 600 lbs of people with one arm with who know how much that multiplies due to momentum and gravity.
EverydayBeast
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People feel some type of way about the first of anything.
HellforLeather
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I love how this thread devoled (...evolved???) into a debate about the physics of Iron Man 3....a movie where people can regrow limbs and are made of magma or some shit.
sol_bad
Member
What "problem" is there with Iron Man 1?
Aside from Afghani terrorists? None I suppose.
When was the last time a movie was made that had middle eastern bad guys? I'll wait.
Hell, in Iron Man 3 they turned the Mandarin into a white dude so as not to be offensive.
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#Phonepunk#
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the James Bond movie coming out this year has a Middle Eastern main villain
personally i disliked the idea of lionizing a US arms dealer who literally becomes his own weapons but that's not really an issue. US media left and right loves it's warmongers.
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Meh. I think there is a difference. He might have middle eastern ancestry, but he won't be played as an islamist terrorist like the characters in Ironman. It HAS been a while since they've used that trope.
sol_bad
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Over the last 8 years or so.
Lone Survivor
American Sniper
13 Hours
Patriots Day
The 15:17 to Paris
12 Strong
I'm sure there are more.
Also, the Mandarin will be in the Shang Chi movie and will not be white.
HellforLeather
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Well yeah but the whole movie is him realizing that building weapons are bad.
Also, someone correct me if Im wrong but wasnt the whole character of Tony Stark/Ironman basically a bet that you could create a war profiteer character that people would still root for back in the 60s?
Darn. I should have made a proviso about movies based on real life events. Ah well. You got me. Even so, some of those movies try to imply the US government is more at fault than the terrorists.
They still made the Mandarin white in Iron Man 3 to not offend.
TDiddyLive
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The only point where they would feel weight is at the end when Iron Man decelerates. Up until then, they're in free fall and essentially weightless.
Yeah, if the deceleration is great enough, the force exerted on the arms would be enough to tear them. However, I'm not sure what amount of force is needed to rip an arm out. Human deadlift world records are pretty high.
Deadlift - Wikipedia
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These shredded motherfuckers are hanging over90001000 pounds off their arms. Of course, in the movie, these are supposed to be regular people. Additionally, the failure force might change if the person is bearing the weight upside down with arms extended.
In the movie, Tony says that he'll electrify their arm so they won't be able to let go.
Not that that's some sort of real explanation. I guess it's possible, but that's a bit of a stretch too. (but we're already talking about flying suits of armor, so maybe we could grant that Iron Man can precisely dole out the correct kind of current to a group of people to strengthen their grips while not inducing cardiac arrest lol)
Well, that dude is holding 600 lbs of people with one arm if we imagine him in a static situation where he's not falling, and say, just holding 4 other people with one arm while hanging from a jungle gym or something.
Like I mentioned earlier, their effective weight is zero during free fall. If before they hit the water, Iron Man decelerates at 1g, then that guy will experience the full 600 lb force or weight + the force due to deceleration. If we also assume that his arm has the tensile strength of a world record strongman, and that Tony is electrifying his grip to be strong enough to not let go, and that nobody's clothes tear, then it might be possible?
If we assume that their initial velocity is about 120 mph which is terminal velocity in the flying squirrel position*, and Tony decelerates to 0 mph at 1g, then it'll take around 5.5 seconds to fully stop, which would mean that guy has to carry what feels like 1200 lbs for 5.5 seconds before hitting the water. Just like how you feel heavier when an elevator going down decelerates as it comes to a stop, decelerating while already moving down makes everything feel heavier than it is at rest. In the movie clip, it looks like he's firing his boosters for roughly 6-ish seconds.
Acceleration Calculator | Definition | Formula
The acceleration calculator estimates acceleration using three different approaches – velocity difference, distance traveled over time, and net force vs. mass.
We could actually make it even easier on the humans if we assume that Iron Man doesn't even decelerate to 0 mph before dropping them in the water. The world record for jumping into water from tall heights in 2015 is 193 feet.
If we assume that Iron Man only needs to decelerate from 120 mph to 76 mph over a span of 6-ish seconds, then he only needs to decelerate at -3.28 m/s^2 , which gives an effective weight of about 800 lbs instead of 1200 lbs.
HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS is that when Iron Man catches the last guy, JARVIS said they're only 200 ft above the water. In the hypothetical above, in order to decelerate at -3.28 m/s^2, for 6 seconds at an initial speed of 120 mph to a speed of 76 mph, you'd need about 860 ft. That doesn't match up with the information given to us by JARVIS.
Uniformly Accelerated Motion Calculator
Solve problems of motion using Uniformly Accelerated Motion equations or Kinematic Equations. Given any three variables of v, u, s, a, t this calculator will solve for the other two. Solutions given along with the derived equations used to solve the problem.
If you calculate what the deceleration is when going from 120 mph to 76 mph over a span of only 200 ft, you'd have to decelerate at 14 m/s^2 over a period of 1.4 seconds.
Uniformly Accelerated Motion Calculator
Solve problems of motion using Uniformly Accelerated Motion equations or Kinematic Equations. Given any three variables of v, u, s, a, t this calculator will solve for the other two. Solutions given along with the derived equations used to solve the problem.
At that point, it feels like carrying 1500 lbs instead of 600 lbs.
In conclusion, there's a lot of conflicts between the information we're told, the visuals we see, movie time elapsed, and the math behind it all. The editing, while visually cool, doesn't help with the analysis. But all that considered, I'd have to declare that
who cares it's just a stupid MARVEL movie jesus fucking christ
someone better at physics than me check my math and free body diagrams
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_skydiving
