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[Emperor_Uriel]

Chivalry is dead, courtesy is not.

I think people who put women on a pedestal and try to "protect" them are often obnoxious creeps.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Everyone holds the door open for everyone where I am from. The most scumbag looking dude will hold the door open for you if you are ahead of them and vice versa.

 

[Messofanego]

That is a real problem (or risk ?) for our society. Men completely castrated of doing something "sexist", so they end up not talking to women. And women so obsessed of being "right" that they end up alone.

But society invented dating services and we are all good.

I am happy to meet my wife at university before, because in the current work system, I would not even know how to talk to a girl without a feeling of going to far, the girl being outraged or claiming for harassment.

Or maybe just don't get to the level where your behaviour might be deemed as harassment?

 

[SpaceWolf]

Everyone holds the door open for everyone where I am from. The most scumbag looking dude will hold the door open for you if you are ahead of them and vice versa.

 

[Messofanego]

Then it is not chivalry anymore, but sexual predatory activity.

I remind a few years ago, the very same story, only in the full light. The girl was walking under the rain, I was in a car, I stopped and proposed to bring her to the station (she had a big bag). She said no. I did not ask more. So she went alone under the rain. i met her again at the station where I was also going. She was completely wet and exhausted. She probably got cold too.

And she died of cold ...

I did not blame her, but our society.

what

You proposed to some girl to get into your car? And then she died of cold? This has to be a joke.

 

[wazoo]

what

You proposed to some girl to get into your car? And then she died of cold? This has to be a joke.

Yes,of course

 

[nekkid]

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

 

[TheSpoiler]

I don't care how hard it's raining I'm not getting in no rando car

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Then it is not chivalry anymore, but sexual predatory activity.

I remind a few years ago, the very same story, only in the full light. The girl was walking under the rain, I was in a car, I stopped and proposed to bring her to the station (she had a big bag). She said no. I did not ask more. So she went alone under the rain. i met her again at the station where I was also going. She was completely wet and exhausted. She probably got cold too.

Erm, I'm a guy and even I won't get in a stranger's car.

Like, that's literally the first lesson of kindergarten- don't talk to strangers, don't accept sweets from strangers, and don't follow strangers....

 

[Messofanego]

I always give women the advantage, open the door for them and provide help with carrying heavy things. The smile I get almost every time in return is worth it alone.
I have worked in women dominated work places pretty much my entire career and overheard countless conversation between them, and trust me, almost all embrace good old chivalry, especially in this day and age with morals declining everywhere.

How are morals declining now more than ever before?

 

[excelsiorlef]

I feel like you’re making this super complex. If I see someone walking through pouring rain by themselves on a cold night I’m going to help them out regardless of their gender. Why does it have to be more than that?

Then that's not chivalry

 

[wazoo]

Like, that's literally the first lesson of kindergarten- don't talk to strangers, don't accept sweets from strangers, and don't follow strangers....

Yes, but in kindergarten, the lesson implies a 25+ year difference of age.

 

[jesu]

Why were you drunk driving op?

 

[SpaceWolf]

Yes, but in kindergarten, the lesson implies a 25+ year difference of age.

Any woman would be ill-advised to climb into the car of a completely strange man. It's kind of basic stuff, my dude.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yes, but in kindergarten, the lesson implies a 25+ year difference of age.

Dude.

Getting into a stranger's car is dangerous for anyone especially women.

 

[KernelPanic]

Then that's not chivalry

No it's an opportunity(to them).

 

[TheSpoiler]

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Pretty sure the girl in the story was fine without being run and imposed on. It's not that deep people.

Yes, but in kindergarten, the lesson implies a 25+ year difference of age.

You saying it's safe to hop in a car when you are above a certain age?

Is this real?

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

Erm, I'm a guy and even I won't get in a stranger's car.

Like, that's literally the first lesson of kindergarten- don't talk to strangers, don't accept sweets from strangers, and don't follow strangers....

Which is a weird lesson. I always encourage kids to talk with whomever they want, but there's a gulf of difference between conversation and taking gifts or leaving with someone.

The latter two are always no-nos for kids, and even adults should be very wary of taking that sort of risk.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Yes, but in kindergarten, the lesson implies a 25+ year difference of age.

Age difference don't matter if the person has a gun or knife or a needle to me at close quarter :v

 

[xRaizen]

Chivalry is fine, it's the internet """"chivalry"""" that's bad. That's the typical fedora wearing m'lady types. The "nice guys" that complain about never getting women.

I used to be one of them and it's pretty much why I motivated myself to change in the past couple of years you gotta know when nice is too nice.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Which is a weird lesson. I always encourage kids to talk with whomever they want, but there's a gulf of difference between conversation and taking gifts or leaving with someone.

The latter two are always no-nos for kids, and even adults should be very wary of taking that sort of risk.

Kids can be easily manipulated an coerced that's why just not talking straight up is good advices for children

 

[Messofanego]

Yes, but in kindergarten, the lesson implies a 25+ year difference of age.

Dude, no woman is getting into your car when you're a stranger. No matter what age.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Which is a weird lesson. I always encourage kids to talk with whomever they want, but there's a gulf of difference between conversation and taking gifts or leaving with someone.

The latter two are always no-nos for kids, and even adults should be very wary of taking that sort of risk.

Because you never know what kids might say to them.

"My dad works at a bank and we have THREE cars!"

 

[Caturro]

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Nah, not really. Peeps just gotta use some common sense.

 

[wazoo]

Age difference don't matter if the person has a gun or knife or a needle to me at close quarter :v

You are putting your own imagination at work. Of course, nobody will do that.

 

[SpaceWolf]

You are putting your own imagination at work. Of course, nobody will do that.

Wat

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

You are putting your own imagination at work. Of course, nobody will do that.

...Can't tell if serious or not o_0

 

[wazoo]

Dude, no woman is getting into your car when you're a stranger. No matter what age.

I agree, I was just telling a story where our society current state leads to illogical behaviour, still totally understandable from a social point of view.

 

[AuthenticM]

expecting something out of someone solely because of their sex seems pretty sexist.

expecting men to pay on a first date =/= men paying of their own volition

So paying is sexist but not paying is cheap.

neither

 

[Seductivpancakes]

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

People who are damning you for not using "chivalry" are probably people not worth your time or attention, so who gives a fuck.

 

[wazoo]

...Can't tell if serious or not o_0

nobody is willing to enter a car when the guy in the car has a gun. Am I clear now ?

 

[TheSpoiler]

I agree, I was just telling a story where our society current state leads to illogical behaviour, still totally understandable from a social point of view.

Better safe than sorry?

Would you let your SO get in a car with someone else? Would you call her illogical for not doing so?

nobody is willing to enter a car when the guy in the car has a gun. Am I clear now ?

Why you changing your story? Nobody said anything about a car with a guy with a gun. You wouldn't even know he had a gun.

Like you haven't been clear this entire time lol

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

Kids can be easily manipulated an coerced that's why just not talking straight up is good advices for children

Because you never know what kids might say to them.
"My dad works at a bank and we have THREE cars!"

Is it worth framing all strangers as potential predators just to avoid the <1% chance your kid will run into someone who actually means them harm?

Spoiler

Factual answer from the perspective of their social and emotional development: NO!

Worse yet, what if your child is actually lost or feels endangered, but has no idea of how to seek and/or accept help from others? Stranger Danger for kids is a myth, there's zero data that indicates children are placed at risk in any way by speaking to strangers.

Adult women, on the other hand, are waaaay more likely to be "groomed" and preyed upon by opportunistic men masquerading as nice/concerned bystanders.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

nobody is willing to enter a car when the guy in the car has a gun. Am I clear now ?

Yeah ok but nobody is going to show that they have a gun if their plan was to get you into the car first o_0

 

[Ahgod]

I used to split checks on first dates because that just seemed fair to me. I can see an argument for paying because of like the gender wage gap or something but that gets into some weeds I'm not knowledgeable about. I hold doors open for people but I don't care if they're a woman or not. Im guessing if people really examined it they'd find their intentions with most of this stuff are not so pure.

 

[wazoo]

Yeah ok but nobody is going to show that they have a gun if their plan was to get you into the car first o_0

In the country where I live, gun carry is not allowed. Of course, US ...

 

[nekkid]

People who are damning you for not using "chivalry" are probably people not worth your time or attention, so who gives a fuck.

They definitely exist, though.

I’ve experienced sarcastic comments from women for not helping them with some minor inconvenience of theirs.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I agree, I was just telling a story where our society current state leads to illogical behaviour, still totally understandable from a social point of view.

Nowhere in the history of the world has it been a good idea for women to get into a strangers car or horse carriage or whatever. Certainly not when asked out of the blue. This has nothing to do with the current state. You seem to hold a strange romantic view of a society that never has and never will exist.

 

[Steel]

In the country where I live, gun carry is not allowed. Of course, US ...

You're being stupid obtuse. They could have a knife. They could have an illegal gun. They could just take off top speed and kidnap the passenger. They could chloroform the passenger. This stuff actually happens.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

They definitely exist, though.

I’ve experienced sarcastic comments from women for not helping them with some minor inconvenience of theirs.

Again, they're not worth your time, and you can tell them to fuck off.

 

[SpaceWolf]

I agree, I was just telling a story where our society current state leads to illogical behaviour, still totally understandable from a social point of view.

A woman who's on her own who declines to get into a car with a strange man isn't "illogical" behavior. It's basic common sense, in almost any culture or society. What's illogical here has been your strangely resentful and chastising attitude towards the woman refusing to climb into your car.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Is it worth framing all strangers as potential predators just to avoid the <1% chance your kid will run into someone who actually means them harm?

Spoiler

Factual answer from the perspective of their social and emotional development: NO!

Worse yet, what if your child is actually lost or feels endangered, but has no idea of how to seek and/or accept help from others? Stranger Danger for kids is a myth, there's zero data that indicates children are placed at risk in any way by speaking to strangers.

Adult women, on the other hand, are waaaay more likely to be "groomed" and preyed upon by opportunistic men masquerading as nice/concerned bystanders.

The thing is the lesson is never framed as 'ALL' strangers are dangerous, just the ones that approach you for no reason. Kids know the difference between approaching a stranger and a stranger approaching them.

If the child is actually lost or feels endangered most would start crying which would gather alot of people's attention anyway.

Personal experience? I was lost as kid after missing my bus stop. Didn't hesitate to ask people for help.

 

[peteykirch]

I had a lady yell at me for holding a door open for her.

So when I was leaving, and she was leaving at the same time, though this time with her hands full of bags and what not, I let the door close behind me. She started screaming and berating me for not holding the door open for her in that situation.

 

[Caturro]

I had a lady yell at me for holding a door open for her.

So when I was leaving, and she was leaving at the same time, though this time with her hands full of bags and what not, I let the door close behind me. She started screaming and berating me for not holding the door open for her in that situation.

Just sounds like a shitty person. I gotta say I've never experienced this with either men or women.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

They definitely exist, though.

I've experienced sarcastic comments from women for not helping them with some minor inconvenience of theirs.

I'll never forget the day a girl demanded that I gave her my seat because 'gentlemen' and everyone in class backed her on it.

This was back in secondary school.

I became an outcast, but she still didn't get my seat.

 

[nekkid]

I had a lady yell at me for holding a door open for her.

So when I was leaving, and she was leaving at the same time, though this time with her hands full of bags and what not, I let the door close behind me. She started screaming and berating me for not holding the door open for her in that situation.

This is almost exactly the scenario I meant in my comments above.

I’ll still carry on doing it, until someone’s rude and I’ve got the opportunity, like you, to rub their faces in their own behaviour.

 

[Soran]

In my first year of college I ended in a situation where I had to walk for 40 minutes under pouring rain, I was beyond soaked but a man ended helping me with his umbrella. But it was different in my situation because I was with my sister in a very busy street, also he was a old guy and he even give me a candy so he was obviously being fatherly at opposed of being an opportunistic creep like most of young dudes end being when they are trying to be chivalrous.

 

[nekkid]

In my first year of college I ended in a situation where I had to walk for 40 minutes under pouring rain, I was beyond soaked but a man ended helping me with his umbrella. But it was different in my situation because I was with my sister in a very busy street, also he was a old guy and he even give me a candy so he was obviously being fatherly at opposed of being an opportunistic creep like most of young dudes end being when they are trying to be chivalrous.

A stranger gave you candy...?

Spoiler

I’m obviously joking

 

[mid83]

Do people consider it sexist that I open my girlfriend's car door for her, hold the door open and let her walk in and out of a building first, carry her bags when we are leaving the store and so on?

I do hold doors and such for people all the time, but it doesn't matter if it's a man or woman.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Why are we letting strange people into our car in the first place? You don't know that person, you don't know anything about them. He/She might have a gun in their coat or purse, or a knife, or even just mace. They could pull that on you and demand you pull over and get out, steal your car, make you leave your phone and wallet so you can't call for help.