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Is it time to accept Revenge of the Sith as "one of the good" SW films? SPOILERS
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chrisPjelly
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I think the more important question is
Is Natalie Portman's acting better or worse here in RotS than in Thor 2: The Dark World?
Is Natalie Portman's acting better or worse here in RotS than in Thor 2: The Dark World?
She's in Thor To the Dark World?
I don't know that I'd call her acting all that bad in Thor 2... I mean the script is boring and there's not much there for her, but then again, in ROTS, she's forced to deliver some of the worst dialogue with the utmost conviction...
One might say ROTS is the bigger triumph considering she still managed to have a career afterwards.
Glass Shark
Banned
It's a bad movie. It's not even the best prequel.
I mean she was good when she was crying to Anakin for common sense. Or maybe everyone else was bad. Or maybe that whole situation was so fucking stupid that her being the voice of reason masked her acting.
"Love won't save you Padme. Only my new powers can do that."
Yeah, I can see why she would come out looking not-so-terrible when pitted against that.
The prequels basically ruined the franchise for me. The new films may be entertaining but it's hard to become invested in a universe where the prequels also took place.
Empire remains the only truly great SW film
Oh fine, I will post the scene...
Give these three some Oscars!!
I don't know that its possible for them to have done better. Hayden has some problems as an actor, but he has some decent work, some stuff I've really enjoyed. But between the dialogue, horrible directing and yes men, I'm not sure anybody in their situations could have done well
I mean "you have done! that! yourself!" just awful. Awful.
scorcher59
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It's hit/miss film at best, i mean Yunglings? wth izzat!?!?!?
YouTube comments disagree with your assessment it seems.
What's your thoughts on A New Hope and Return of the Jedi?
Its impossible to tell at this point when people are just messing with me and being sarcastic and are in on some joke, or truly believe these things they say. Life is an onion article.
Not if anything to say about it....I have
I'll give ROTS one thing: It may have the highest hilariously bad dialogue to scene ratio of all time.
"...then young Skywalker, you shall die" *insert lightning* is kind of a similar scene. PT is Dyack for/against level schlock.
Those are the big problems with these. Dialogue is nowhere near as good as OT and the PT deliveries are only good with Ian McDermott because he has something to work with at times.
Not true.
Vader has other dialogue in the infamous "noooooooooooooooo" birth scene, and it sucks just as much. James does a great job with it, but it still highlights how horrible the dialogue is.
Better takes and readings of the lines would have done the movies wonders, but can only polish a turd so much.
Dash_Riprock
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There are a few words James Earl Jones should never be allowed to say.
"Padme" is one of them.
"Padme" is one of them.
PaulBizkit
Member
This one is absolutely the best of the three. I'd even dare to say that ROTS is the only prequel movie that should exist.
For the record, I was 10 when PM was released.
For the record, I was 10 when PM was released.
2016 in a nutshell
Throughout the PT the Jedi are portrayed as being wrapped up in their own dogma, so much so that they miss what should have been a glaring threat. Yoda even says something along those lines- their minds have been clouded or some such.
The execution of this concept is mediocre at best but it's rhe direction Lucas wanted to go in.
Comfort Jones
Banned
I do not recall Yoda ever saying such a thing. They make the issue seem more like a nebulous "we cant predict things with the future" type of deal, nothing to do with issues relating to their weird sexless and sterile existences.
Aaron Strife
Banned
This is true, and I think the reason why most people rank it well below the other two. However, the emotional payoff of the foundation ESB laid is incredible. It's a pretty worthy sequel and respects the franchise more than the prequel trilogy.
Touching on the Emperor's face melting... man I don't care what the justification for it is. It's stupid. He was old as shit in Jedi. You know what else he was in Jedi? An effective villain. ROTS turns him into a Saturday morning cartoon. Lucas was so determined to end ROTS exactly where ANH picks up, to the extent of explaining something that really didn't need to be explained. And then in the process he missed the most important part, the personality. McDiarmid makes the most of it, but it's the wrong kind of entertaining for the series and character.
Which is amazing because Palpatine throughout the PT is absolutely fine. Until the end of ROTS. Actually that's where the movie seems to fall apart completely imo. It has its problems up to that point but man it really misses the boat when it actually matters.
Lucas's obsession of trying to link everything smoothly was a huge problem. I mean Episode 2 went out of its way to show Palpating was changing. He was sickly looking his hair had gone grey etc.
Then suddenly for Episode 3 they completely reversed the direction and undid all the makeup work of making him look sickly and changing.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
It's a horrible movie. Even after ten years.
I cannot stand watching this for more than ten minutes. Everything feels so cringey...
It's best to completely forget the PT exists.
I cannot stand watching this for more than ten minutes. Everything feels so cringey...
It's best to completely forget the PT exists.
ShockingAlberto
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I just realized Lucas spent three movies to explain Anakin turning into Vader and it still felt shitty and rushed.
Chuckie
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Aaron Strife
Banned
Because the first two do nothing to set it up that couldn't be explained in a line or two.
First movie - he's a kid. Emotionally he's so distant from the man he becomes it almost doesn't matter. The fact that he's a slave isn't even relevant. When he finds his mom in Episode II she married into freedom, and when he sees Watto again he's actually friendly towards him. Like someone said earlier (this thread? Maybe the Cinemassacre one) him being a slave doesn't feel real. It's just a plot device to keep Shmi on Tatooine when Ani leaves.
Second movie - There's the part where he kills the sand people (and not just the men, but the women and children! He slaughtered them like ANIMALS!) that hints (with the subtlety of a cartoon piano falling on someone's head) at his rage. And it's almost immediately forgotten about. Third movie honestly does fine with this other than him having no motivation to kill the Jedi younglings. The scene where he kills Dooku establishes well enough that he's willing to kill to get what he wants, which is more important to Vader than just lashing out. Kylo Ren was closer imo to what Anakin should have been.
The Hermit
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I am in that camp too.
It was the funnest at the very least
Oh God. The memories.
Episode II is bland, but III is almost offensive. I still don't understand how people can put it above Returns.
If it wasn't for videogames (especially Rogue Squadron) I don't think I would care so much about SW.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
The recent SW film is a much better prequel film than any of the three prequel films.
I think it has just as many problems as the other 2, but it has more entertainment value to me, largely due to the visuals. So yeah, probably slightly better than Phantom Menace, but not by much.
Attack of the Clones is just awful. Worst of the franchise by far.
Hayden Christensen really was just the worst choice. I mean, there was some hilarious, B-grade dialogue there too, but still, his acting/delivery only made it worse.
Attack of the Clones is just awful. Worst of the franchise by far.
Hayden Christensen really was just the worst choice. I mean, there was some hilarious, B-grade dialogue there too, but still, his acting/delivery only made it worse.
Originally the idea was that Palpatine would subtly "wither" over the course of the prequels. In Episode 2 they gave Ian McDiarmid some prosthetics around his eyes and some ageing makeup to start the process towards his ghoulish appearance in ROTJ. Then George changed his mind and had him suddenly transform into the ROTJ Emperor when he fights Mace Windu, which doesn't make any sense.
crazy monkey
Banned
This. Ruiened vader for me. I think of him as always a badass rather than a cry baby.
Triggerhappytel
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Regardless of everything else wrong with these films (which is pretty much everything), one of the biggest flaws was that George Lucas is a terrible director and gets charmless, wooden performances even from outstanding actors. A decent director could have unquestionably done a better job with the same material, but it's hard to see his fuckawful script ever being 'good'.
Calamari41
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The thing that really kills Attack of the Clones for me is how terrible of a detective Obi Wan is. He sees Jango Fett on Kamino and knows that Jango is heavily involved with the Clone Army. He knows that Jango is the very blueprint for the clones. Jango is clearly "top brass" here.
Obi Wan also knows that Jango has been attempting to assassinate a Republic Senator. The same Republic that supposedly ordered this army, which nobody in the Republic knows about. So then he himself faces an attempted assassination by Jango. Clearly this guy, top brass involved with this Clone Army, is an enemy of the Republic and the Jedi. Even though he is clearly shoulder deep in his involvement with the Republic's new army.
Obi Wan then follows Jango to Geonosis, where he finds out that a massive droid army is being built. What's more, he finds out that this massive drone army is going to be used against the Republic by Count Dooku, a former Jedi. A former Jedi, when the Kaminoans told Obi Wan that a former Jedi ordered this army that nobody back home knows a thing about. Hmm.
Jango then captures Anakin and Padme on behalf of the Separatists, and spends the rest of the movie until the battle standing at Count Dooku's side acting as his bodyguard. Obi Wan knows this.
Jango Fett is a known and heavily involved figure on both sides of the war. Obi Wan never makes the connection. He, after knowing all of the above first hand, just blindly starts using this mysterious Clone Army that nobody knows anything about and which is based on the genetic blueprint of a top ranking Separatist sympathizer.
Then the Clone Army receives an order to turn on the Jedi and everyone is just so shocked.
Obi Wan also knows that Jango has been attempting to assassinate a Republic Senator. The same Republic that supposedly ordered this army, which nobody in the Republic knows about. So then he himself faces an attempted assassination by Jango. Clearly this guy, top brass involved with this Clone Army, is an enemy of the Republic and the Jedi. Even though he is clearly shoulder deep in his involvement with the Republic's new army.
Obi Wan then follows Jango to Geonosis, where he finds out that a massive droid army is being built. What's more, he finds out that this massive drone army is going to be used against the Republic by Count Dooku, a former Jedi. A former Jedi, when the Kaminoans told Obi Wan that a former Jedi ordered this army that nobody back home knows a thing about. Hmm.
Jango then captures Anakin and Padme on behalf of the Separatists, and spends the rest of the movie until the battle standing at Count Dooku's side acting as his bodyguard. Obi Wan knows this.
Jango Fett is a known and heavily involved figure on both sides of the war. Obi Wan never makes the connection. He, after knowing all of the above first hand, just blindly starts using this mysterious Clone Army that nobody knows anything about and which is based on the genetic blueprint of a top ranking Separatist sympathizer.
Then the Clone Army receives an order to turn on the Jedi and everyone is just so shocked.
eot
Banned
Yeah, last time o watched RotJ it was quite painful, all that shit on Endor should've been cut
As a kid, watching this at the theater and being amazed by the fight....I STILL can't get over how fucking stupid it all was. Even as a dumb kid who came out mostly feeling good about it I kept asking myself "why DID he go to the dark side?"
It just felt so rushed, and the movie was very fucking long. Fortunately the clone wars dabbled into this and made anakin such a lovable and enjoyable character. Goddamn the clone wars was good. The last season needed to focus just a hint more on Anakin being unhinged and disillusioned by the jedi council, like him finding out the reason why Ashoka left. Or maybe he did and I forgot, either way it would have been excellent fuel for his fall to the darkside.
That last season was so depressing and dark ;(
Lucas does not like subtle.
Finally I know what you guys mean when a movie ruins a franchise, The Force Awakens ruined my love for this franchise so bad Im thinking in covering my Starwars tattoo cause Im embarrassed I have it cause of that piece of fucking pandering trash.
Well shit franchise is ruined for everyone I guess.
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